Austrailia Has It Right?

[Varient]

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Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.


Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS , MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians, as we have never seen before.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH . not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, then you have no choice but to learn 'our' language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are finished complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom ..

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will start speaking and voicing the same truths.


I find this interesting - that this is how other countries deal with religion based terrorism.

V.

[Varient]

meh,.. too many "I"s in Australia.

[SuBe]

I like it.

[rdh007]

Have we A)snopes-ed this? and B)considered whether or not the Aussies even like this guy? He may be on his way out and just saying stuff.

[chamber-music]

I like AUSTRALIANS new prime minister that guys funny

[Franklin Richards]

[Nathan Petrelli]

Ah! Good ol Johnny Howard, it wouldn't surprise me if he did say this, considering he was the one who ordered a boat full of illegal refugee's heading to Australia to be burnt and bombed LOL.

but he is no longer our Prime Minister. Now it is Kevin Rudd. He is pure comedy, he got trashed in New York and went to a strip bar and didnt remember what happened after, he basically told Japan to go screw themselves in their own country when they said he ignored them by not visiting the first time, even though none of their leaders come to our Country

For the record, Australia is known for our "Speak English or Get Out" attitude, its actually a law now. If you do not speak English, you will be deported. It's not racism, it's common sense. I won't go to China and expect them to learn English just for me and then get annoyed at them when they can't understand me.

[The Senator]

I consider his views on religion to be utter bull ****. Christianity has a monopoly on all religions in most Western countries, so naturally the majority of citizens in countries such as Australia and the United States will believe in the Christian God. However, when countries guarantee religious freedom, the words of Christ or any other religious symbol shouldn't be crammed down everyone's throats. These countries shouldn't embrace any religion; religion should be a separate, private entity completely separated from government.

[psychocheeseman]

WE voted that old right wing jerk out.; It took a while but we finally managed it. I'd like to say most Australians aren't racist, but unfortunately there does seem to be a lot of them about (whether they admit it or not)Historically, this Nation once had an official "White Australia" policy, which not only included white only immigrants(for the most part) but also actively attempted genocide against the native inhabitants -poisoning water supplies, not punishing squatters for culling, and the more civil attempts to breed the black out of them. This has long since past and Australia seemed to be back on the right track of being a happy safe multicultural society, but 10 yrs of a Howard's Government demonising foreigners, and refusing refugees as possible terrorists based on nothing more than the fact some of them came from populations that included a larger proportion of muslims than our own, to further their own political means. Nothing wins votes like the fear of outsiders.

The whole "speak English or get out" thing is ridiculous, usually spouted by dead ****s who's grammatical skills are somewhat less than desirable. Coming to a new country is a huge task, it takes time to learn new languages, If i was a tourist in Spain, i wouldn't expect to discriminated against just because i couldn't speak Spanish fluently. Furthermore it's deeply hypocritical considering Australia's history. I personally can't speak a word of this countries native language.

Bashing people for being different (as happened during the "cronulla riots") is shameful, and was encouraged, in my opinion, by both political and media groups, blissfully unaware of the real life consequences years of demonizing minority groups would have.

I was lucky enough to grow up in a very multicultural part of Australia, biggest benefit of all, is experiencing other cultures cuisine.

N. Petrelli, i agree with you that Rudd is pretty sweet comedic entertainment,
but i'm not sure that "Australia is known for our "Speak English or Get Out" attitude, its actually a law now, If you do not speak English, you will be deported" I'm final year law myself, and i haven't heard of it. Unless your making a joke about those citizens who (one due to mental illness) where unable to communicate in English and were deported to the countries authorities thought they were from....

Furthermore i don't see how not speaking english should be a deport-able offence. It'd totally **** up tourism, and totally ignores our responsibility to refugees, let alone people who are trying to learn english whilst here. Why we're at it, i haven't met many, if any, people who have been angry at me for not knowing their native tongue whilst they're here, and i worked retail for quite some time serving a fair few people who didn't speak a word.

Just wondering if you would want to implement the same policy on to mute people?

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by psychocheeseman

Furthermore i don't see how not speaking english should be a deport-able offence. It'd totally **** up tourism, and totally ignores our responsibility to refugees, let alone people who are trying to learn english whilst here. Why we're at it, i haven't met many, if any, people who have been angry at me for not knowing their native tongue whilst they're here, and i worked retail for quite some time serving a fair few people who didn't speak a word.

Just wondering if you would want to implement the same policy on to mute people?

While I believe English should be the official language of the United States, I do not believe that not speaking English should be a deportable offense.

[Superman4ever]

Originally Posted by Varient

'We speak mainly ENGLISH . not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, then you have no choice but to learn 'our' language!'

That just shows how ignorant he is. Howard has been spewing this radical, right-wing bologna since forever, so I'm not surprised.

There are people who think he's a bastard and there are those who agree with him. It's the job of the Islamic community to, G-d willingly, change that misrepresented view by education and outreaching.

W/E.

What is more worrisome, to me anyway, is that some people here in the US think it's OK to hold ANYONE (right now its Muslim men) indefinitely without due process. This is just a simple step to totalitarianism. If you think that this procedure ONLY and exclusively applies to terr'rrists you are gravely mistaken. That is the problem with these nuts. They spew not only hate, but fear. The type of fear that elicits inhumane policy. Who would have EVER in their wildest dreams, 100, 50, or even 20 years ago would have believed that the United States of America would allow and endorse torture in the false name of "national security".

[Varient]

So I can assumed by the responses that this man is not loved by millions and no longer in charge?

[Nathan Petrelli]

Originally Posted by psychocheeseman

WE voted that old right wing jerk out.; It took a while but we finally managed it. I'd like to say most Australians aren't racist, but unfortunately there does seem to be a lot of them about (whether they admit it or not)Historically, this Nation once had an official "White Australia" policy, which not only included white only immigrants(for the most part) but also actively attempted genocide against the native inhabitants -poisoning water supplies, not punishing squatters for culling, and the more civil attempts to breed the black out of them. This has long since past and Australia seemed to be back on the right track of being a happy safe multicultural society, but 10 yrs of a Howard's Government demonising foreigners, and refusing refugees as possible terrorists based on nothing more than the fact some of them came from populations that included a larger proportion of muslims than our own, to further their own political means. Nothing wins votes like the fear of outsiders.

The whole "speak English or get out" thing is ridiculous, usually spouted by dead ****s who's grammatical skills are somewhat less than desirable. Coming to a new country is a huge task, it takes time to learn new languages, If i was a tourist in Spain, i wouldn't expect to discriminated against just because i couldn't speak Spanish fluently. Furthermore it's deeply hypocritical considering Australia's history. I personally can't speak a word of this countries native language.

Bashing people for being different (as happened during the "cronulla riots") is shameful, and was encouraged, in my opinion, by both political and media groups, blissfully unaware of the real life consequences years of demonizing minority groups would have.

I was lucky enough to grow up in a very multicultural part of Australia, biggest benefit of all, is experiencing other cultures cuisine.

N. Petrelli, i agree with you that Rudd is pretty sweet comedic entertainment,
but i'm not sure that "Australia is known for our "Speak English or Get Out" attitude, its actually a law now, If you do not speak English, you will be deported" I'm final year law myself, and i haven't heard of it. Unless your making a joke about those citizens who (one due to mental illness) where unable to communicate in English and were deported to the countries authorities thought they were from....

Furthermore i don't see how not speaking english should be a deport-able offence. It'd totally **** up tourism, and totally ignores our responsibility to refugees, let alone people who are trying to learn english whilst here. Why we're at it, i haven't met many, if any, people who have been angry at me for not knowing their native tongue whilst they're here, and i worked retail for quite some time serving a fair few people who didn't speak a word.

Just wondering if you would want to implement the same policy on to mute people?

"Learn English or get out" is actually a part of the Citizens test now, you must learn and speak English to obtain your Australian Citizenship, you also need to know the Australian anthem, which is a bit stupid. I don't know it, or care to learn it myself.

If you have lived in a multi-race community, then like me, you would have experienced the frustration of being yelled at in Japanese or any other language because they cannot speak English, the language of the country they live in.

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by Varient

So I can assumed by the responses that this man is not loved by millions and no longer in charge?

Yes. His party lost control of the Australian parliament, and he was defeated in his re-election bid.

[Malice]

I like his attitude personally.

[Nathan Petrelli]

For the record, John Howard has said something along those lines, but that "QUOTE" is not a direct quote, it's obviously written by someone who planned to chain mail it.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Originally Posted by Varient

Sent as an Email to My place of Employment:.

My god,that was an awesome quote. One of the best things I have ever read here on the Hype. Someone has enough sense to say such things,be white,speak English or get out. I also like the fact that he thinks Americans secretly think the same way,I believe that myself.

I might vacation to Australia because of reading this. I heard of the "White Australia" it goes back to the British roots. A "White America" exists also,in certain things..you need to be firm.

[The Senator]

I can't be sure... but I think Yakov may have admitted that he is a racist...

[danoyse]

Originally Posted by Nathan Petrelli

If you have lived in a multi-race community, then like me, you would have experienced the frustration of being yelled at in Japanese or any other language because they cannot speak English, the language of the country they live in.

Look, I've worked in New York for 12 years now, where everyone is from everywhere...and responding with "Go (expletive) yourself" is a perfectly acceptable response to yelling in any language.

And I have to say, I enjoy the diversity of NY. I live in NJ, and it's like travelling 30 years back in time whenever I leave work at the end of the day. You just get used to hearing different languages and seeing people who dress differently. I just can't stand it when an entire group needs to stop in the middle of the sidewalk to check a map when I'm trying to get to work.

I think it would be boring if we demanded that everyone be the same if they wanted to live here.

[Malice]

Originally Posted by danoyse

Look, I've worked in New York for 12 years now, where everyone is from everywhere...and responding with "Go (expletive) yourself" is a perfectly acceptable response to yelling in any language.

And I have to say, I enjoy the diversity of NY. I live in NJ, and it's like travelling 30 years back in time whenever I leave work at the end of the day. You just get used to hearing different languages and seeing people who dress differently. I just can't stand it when an entire group needs to stop in the middle of the sidewalk to check a map when I'm trying to get to work.

I think it would be boring if we demanded that everyone be the same if they wanted to live here.

Actually, you are missing the point.
The language is English, learn it to communicate with those that speak english.

Dont claim insulted when you see a picture of Jesus or something like that...that is our heritage, just like you have yours.

Immigrants should meld with our society....the society learning things from your heritage...taking it into its own...not BENDING to your will.

[Varient]

Meh.
I have to admit that I frown at fools who come into my space and try to dictate how things will be or label me a monster.

If the Primary language is French for example,.. I'm not going to require the french to put their literature, their legal documents and their daily speech to be English.

It's arrogant to take a tude because the locals don't speak your language and anyone who has issue with locals being unwilling to accept having to learn the language of the newcomer is in many ways sick in the head.

I feel the same way about religion.

You feel offended that a picture of a cross or the Bible, or other symbolism was where you go,.. in most cases YEARS before you arrived? Get over yourself. It's like me moving to Pakistan and protesting the existance of a statue of Budda. That too is Arrogance of the sort that is hypocritical. You are demanding that folk respect your beliefs by trying to restrict the belief of others,... sick.


I don't see either of my views to be hatred. If you want to speak your language or follow your beliefs,.. please do. Just don't require me to learn your language or disgard my beliefs to give you the warm and fuzzies.

V.

[Nathan Petrelli]

Originally Posted by Varient

Meh.
I have to admit that I frown at fools who come into my space and try to dictate how things will be or label me a monster.

If the Primary language is French for example,.. I'm not going to require the french to put their literature, their legal documents and their daily speech to be English.

It's arrogant to take a tude because the locals don't speak your language and anyone who has issue with locals being unwilling to accept having to learn the language of the newcomer is in many ways sick in the head.

I feel the same way about religion.

You feel offended that a picture of a cross or the Bible, or other symbolism was where you go,.. in most cases YEARS before you arrived? Get over yourself. It's like me moving to Pakistan and protesting the existance of a statue of Budda. That too is Arrogance of the sort that is hypocritical. You are demanding that folk respect your beliefs by trying to restrict the belief of others,... sick.


I don't see either of my views to be hatred. If you want to speak your language or follow your beliefs,.. please do. Just don't require me to learn your language or disgard my beliefs to give you the warm and fuzzies.

V.

I don't understand if you are saying that you should learn the language of the country you are in, of if they should learn your language in their country. Or both, I need sleep. Goodnight.

[lazur]

Originally Posted by jmanspice

I consider his views on religion to be utter bull ****. Christianity has a monopoly on all religions in most Western countries, so naturally the majority of citizens in countries such as Australia and the United States will believe in the Christian God. However, when countries guarantee religious freedom, the words of Christ or any other religious symbol shouldn't be crammed down everyone's throats. These countries shouldn't embrace any religion; religion should be a separate, private entity completely separated from government.

Tell that to our own Founding Fathers.

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by Malice

Dont claim insulted when you see a picture of Jesus or something like that...that is our heritage, just like you have yours.

Considering the United States government is not suppose to endorse any religion, I would feel pretty insulted if I saw a display featuring Jesus in a government building.

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by lazur

Tell that to our own Founding Fathers.

You mean the deists, like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who did not follow Christ and did not found this country on Christian principles?