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Old 09-04-2008, 04:28 AM   #126
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Man I hate Latino Review. They make it sound like a scoop but there isn't actually any legit news in that "report". Just kicking around and speculating what they think the Avengers movie is going to be while listing most of what we already know about the slate in development.

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Old 09-04-2008, 08:01 AM   #127
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What was the scoop about? Just for entertainment's sake...

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Old 09-04-2008, 02:51 PM   #128
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Believe me if they continue to make Avengers movies people will be going to see Cap like they do Wolverine in Xmen.
Is that a good thing though? I hated that aspect of the X-Men series. They've been Wolverine 1, 2, 3, and now 4!

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No, I hated that about X-Men also. Someone was suggesting Cap being killed and I was just trying to illustrate the importance of Cap to the Avengers from a marketing standpoint.

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I think you can do Thor and the Asgardians as "Powerful beings who were once worshipped by humans as Gods" and leave it at that.
I think that is a reasonable compromise!

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Spider-Fan, I like that presentation of Pym... The real lure of superheros and all these stories is the person who is the character. Their backstory, hero's motivation, etc... is what brings readers (and hopefully movie-goers) back over and over.
Hank could also be used to reflect the audience point of view. A normal scientist with out any superpowers who is surrounded by all these incredible characters he dreams of being. This is why he is trying so hard to create his own version of the super soldier formula. Think House as one of the Avengers. The irony is that he makes the ultimate sacrifice to save the entire team. What do you think?

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Spider-Fan, I like that presentation of Pym... The real lure of superheros and all these stories is the person who is the character. Their backstory, hero's motivation, etc... is what brings readers (and hopefully movie-goers) back over and over.
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When I looked over Pym's history, I just felt like I understood him.

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Old 10-05-2008, 01:10 AM   #133
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Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

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Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?
Wanda being Magneto's daughter was not revealed till like 20 years into her comic book adventures, so it's not like it's something they HAVE to bring up...ever, if they don't want to. And she could still be a mutant. Fox owns the rights to the X-Men characters, but they don't own the concept of mutants. She could still be one if they wanted.

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Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?
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Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

I really don't want Hawkeye in this moive; The original team is enough for now.

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Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?

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Old 10-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #138
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Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?
Yes. Hulk is a founding member. He should be there.

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Old 10-05-2008, 11:56 AM   #139
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Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?
I'd say that RDJ showing up in the Hulk movie pretty much guarantees that Hulk will be in the Avengers movie.

I think we'll see:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Pym as Giant Man
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Hulk (even if it's just a cameo)
and possibly Black Panther because they're really using that character a lot recently (animated series and numerous animated DVD appearances)

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the only one on there that I find questionable would be Ant-man.

Personally, I'm not too familiar with the character, but I don't know how popular he would be with the general public ( no offense to Ant-man fans.....lol ).
He's a founding member, he has every right to be on the team, and his wife, The Wasp.

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Old 10-05-2008, 02:20 PM   #141
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I prefer Pym as Antman to start. I am hoping for The Red Skull as the villian with the Cosmic Cube, and it is Antman that sneaks onto the Skull's person, and separates him from the Cube during a final battle... There is a surge at the moment of separation (Skull from the cube), and Antman is trying to size up at that moment... well this causes an acceleration of his growth, causing him overshoot and become Giantman in an uncontrolled burst...

It all happens so fast, and then Cap grabs Mjolinir (freaking out Thor who was knocked down a moment earlier)... and Cap slams Mjolinir down and destroys the cube in a violent blast that disintegrates skull... Cap is protected by Mjolinir, Thor withstands the blast, Wasp is grabbed by Ironman who then flies them out of the blast range... Giantman also withstands the blast because of his supersize and destablized Pym particles that absorb the energy... If Hulk is in there, he gets charred up, but recovers (rapid healing).

This is how Thor comes to recognize Cap as the one he should follow (because Cap wielded Mjolinir).

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Cap wasn't on the original team you know .

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Cap wasn't on the original team you know .
Cap has retroactive founder status though.

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The whole thing is being retconned for the films anyhow... Hulk's origin, Tony kidnapped in Afganistan, SHIELD forming the Avengers...

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The whole thing is being retconned for the films anyhow... Hulk's origin, Tony kidnapped in Afganistan, SHIELD forming the Avengers...
SHIELD forming the avengers makes a lot more sense. I'm all for 616 avengers, but the way they came together was such a bunch of happenstance crap.

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whats the deal with Cap on the avengers. I recently read Demon in a Bottle TPB and Iron Man is the leader of the Avengers. I always thought Cap was

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Tony Stark was basically the founder and financier of the Avengers. So you could call him a leader of sorts.

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Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?
When would X-Men possibly go back to Marvel? Does Fox have a limit of films they can make or can they just keep going? I think it's like five years or something before they'd have to give it back to Marvel. Maybe an Avenger movie every three years. If Avengers comes out in 2011/2012... A3 could maybe come out by 2017/2018... Marvel could POSSIBLY reacquire X-Men by then. You need Wanda and Pietro for later Avenger films to work IMO.

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When would X-Men possibly go back to Marvel? Does Fox have a limit of films they can make or can they just keep going? I think it's like five years or something before they'd have to give it back to Marvel. Maybe an Avenger movie every three years. If Avengers comes out in 2011/2012... A3 could maybe come out by 2017/2018... Marvel could POSSIBLY reacquire X-Men by then. You need Wanda and Pietro for later Avenger films to work IMO.
If the rights went back to marvel we could also get Beast in the avengers. He was, afterall, an Avenger.

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OK but Marvel isn't getting X-men back right now in time for Avengers. So that's out of the question.

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