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Old 10-22-2007, 10:10 PM   #101
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^^ you're right, but they've invested so much money in failed superman projects that a movie with a budget as big as sr that might tank is a big risk to take.
I know. And 't's a dual thing.
Spend less = you don't really get the visuals for a true superman movie
spend alot = you don't make enough money

That's why i'm saying that the only way they can make Superman work while still maintaining a low(er) budget is by using the 300-method.
It's not something that actors and directors enjoy , but it'll have to do.

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Yeah...I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

Side note, I'm kind of 50/50 on his ideas towards Superman being an orphan and loosing both of his parents.
On the one hand, I see where he's going with this and I see how it makes sense with the direction he has in mind. Most of the great heroes have lost someone close to them. Batman lost his parents and any number of other partners/lovers/friends. Spidey lost his uncle Ben and Gwen. Makes sense.
Now on the other hand, part of what makes Superman so unique to me is that he's one of the only heroes where death has no motivating factor. True, his origin requires genocide of a worldwide scale, but that's not why he's motivated to be Superman.
Superman didn't need a tragic death to motivate him to become Superman...he just is.
Actually if anything motivated him to be Superman, its his foster parents - in many ways his true parents - who instilled the values and moral code in him. To me that's the essence of Superman - a mid-western kid brought up damn well.

Another motivating factor is his belief in the potential of humans. A God that humbles in the wake of the achievements and compassion of mortals. That movie line from Jor-el, "They can be a great people..." sums it up.

If MM wants a shot at this he needs to distill his ideas down to the elements.

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well seein as how most of the sets are already built the budget so drop a good chunk.

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Part of me thinks that Millar could do a great job with the reigns of Superman (be in in the books or on the screen), however, his views in terms of Superman and Lois needing to be separate are narrow minded and are an easy out for not wanting to deal with character issues that FORCE the character to evolve in a natural way instead of treading water like he did for decades. I'm indifferent as to whether or not the Kent's live or die anymore. Mostly because I've seen it written well either way, and I've seen it written not so well either way.

Criticizing Loeb and Morrison is a bit snobbish...but then again even in Wizard interviews, he's argued with them like a smarmy jerkoff, so go figger. Superman can be written correctly in numerous ways. It typically depends on what the writer wants to get out of the character...and also what he wants to bring out of him. Look at Geoff Johns recent work on Superman and GL/Sinestro. He does so much with so little because he doesn't have to sit around and say "I can't write stuff if these are the terms the character exists under." He just plugs away at it and makes good stories by crafting them around what he gets from the characters that made him fall in love with them in the first place. Not taking anything away from Millar, but I'd have to have a script leak to hold enough faith in a film that he is in charge of creatively. Mostly because I've read some of his books that I've enjoyed...and others that disgusted me.

Overall, his whole slant of the "retro 60's thing" is stupid. For anyone who wants proof that Silver-Age stories of Superman can be written so well that even the most snobbish comic geeks (myself included) can't deny their quality needs to sift through Alan Moore's run on Supreme. It was basically what Alan could've done to Superman if DC didn't decide to just give him two issues to play with in a throwaway continuity at the last minute before reset. Mainly because Alan thinks in frequencies that would make Millar's brain explode. Millar might turn in a good script. He may also turn in something mediocre...or something horrible. I'd have to read it first.

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Old 10-22-2007, 10:20 PM   #105
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^^ it could be a complete restart and none of those sets would be used. i just don't want to see a crystaline krypton. come up with something new.

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I was already worried about the lawsuit affecting a Superman sequel. I just think the WB is going to take his meeting, but they'll just drag it along like they did with Joss Whedon on WW until after JL and seeing how the Incredible Hulk does at the B.O.

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I put this in another thread....but it will get more play here!

My restart idea is a origin flick featuring Superman v. Braniac, with Lex and LexCorp operating in the background! You would have to be careful with who you cast as Lex though. He wouldn't have the biggest role in the first flick, maybe announce his candidacy for President.

My "established" Superman idea, that I had before McG, Ratner, and Singer came on board was to have our hero face off against President Lex Luthor and Metallo. I would opened the movie with Kal-El's ship coming to Earth through the stars, with Jor-El as a narrator, not just for the opening scene in space, but the movie in general, acting as sort of a guardian angel, watching over his son. The ship would have crashed by the red truck, the Kents take in Clark and wonder what will become of there son, and I would have cut to a red boot, about to save the day. Basically, President Luthor would, through an already established LexCorp and a well paid set up Morgan Edge, be funding and supplying terrorist groups to attack the United States, so Lex can in turn create his army of Metallo's to destory his enemies and strike fear in to the heart of the world, because my Lex would have been very ethno-centric and hateful of other cultures, thinking he is doing the right thing, and in the process is hurting Americans and other nations. President Luthor also would have been very outspoken about how America could not trust other nations. I had just finished reading Mein Kempf when I came up with this idea, and I drew alot of inspirations from Hitler for my Lex Luthor. I wanted to make Lex Luthor the sickest, darkest to ever grace the screen, up against the greatest hero of all time. Of course there would already be a prototype Metallo, made to wipe out Superman and anyone who might try to rat him out on his plan. I wrote a scene that pays homage to the Terminator, where Metallo destroys a group of terrorists who are on to Lex's plan. Of course, Superman, and Lois, would be the only one's who see what is happening and believe Lex is setting this all up, but after Superman cannot prove it, he retreats to the farm after learning that MARTHA KENT has been stricken with cancer, and has a short time to live. Martha has never been the Kent to die before, and I wanted to explore that. It is here I would show flashback scene's to Clark's youth, intertwined with him not only grieving for his mother, but wondering if his life's purpose was a waste, seeing that Lex was now President and brainwashing people. Clark would question himself, his faith in humanity, and try to embrace his own immortality in the face of his mothers death, realizing he will always someday be alone, which, in my story, would be what keeps him away from Lois. Kal-El would also wonder who he really is, Superman or Clark Kent, and I would turn that debate into a storyline. Of course, Superman would have an epiphany and remember that he is what stands between good and evil, that the fight will never stop and it is up to him to protect the innocent, helped by his mother's memory and the flashbacks to his childhood were he discovered who he wanted to be, and would reinforce the ideals of the character for new viewers without being an origin story. Lois, on the other hand, finds herself missing Clark Kent and knowing that she loves him more than a friend, and after being tipped of by one Lana Lang, goes to the farm for a dramatic confrontation. Followed by one of Lex's goons, Metallo attacks the Kent farm and basically destroys everything, and gets away due to Superman needing to save his dad and Lois, and this also leads to a tender moment with the three of them rebuilding the farm at the end of the film.

After talking with Dr. Hamiliton, who has worked on the Metallo project in it's infant stages and quit, Superman knows he can prove what Lex's is doing by removing a memory chip from Metallo, although he might risk killing it/him. This creates a moral dilemma, but I had Superman, after a brutal fight in downtown Metropolis, remove the chip while not "killing" Metallo, show up in Washington, D.C., to show the man Lex really is before Congress and the Vice President, who I would show to be a good, moral man who often disagree's with Lex and was only picked to be the running mate because of his popularity, and after proven to be the bastard that he is, Lex would attempt to ecscape via his henchman from LexCorp, and after Superman tried to stop him, Lex would have the Kryptonite ring, and brutally beat the wholy hell out of Superman, who is both weakened and not willing to strike a fatal blow in any way, shape, or form. Lois would save Superman, however, with a gun shot to the back of Lex Luthor, doing what Superman could not do and returning the favor of being saved so many times.

I really wanted to create a dark, mean world with Superman being the light, the silver lining of hope. Again, I wanted to create the darkest villian of all time. And I wanted to present the Man of Steel overcoming his own "human" doubts and feelings to reign supreme as the champion of all heroes. The Martha Kent angle would have represented his inability to save everyone because everyone dies, but that shouldn't stop you from making the world a better place.

I toyed with the idea of Lex discovering Supermans identity of Clark Kent, and Lex actually, via a will, giving LexCorp to Clark for the sequel, which would have been Darkseid, because if Lex failed in his plan to make the world a better place with his methods, he would know Superman was right all along. I never made a decision.

I know my idea is closer in tone with Batman Begins than Spider-Man, and some will complain that it isn't "Donner" enough, but I don't care!

I'm still working on my origin restart, like I said, it's Superman vs. Braniac with Lex operating in the background, while being a straightforward restart. I'll get back when I have more!

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well seein as how most of the sets are already built the budget so drop a good chunk.
Not entirely true :
They used the same sets of Parker's appartement , the Bugle , Harry's mansion , aunt may's house for at least 2 movies ( and in some cases all 3 movies)
That didn't stop the budget increase
Spider-man 1 $ 139 million , Spider-man 2 $ 200 million , Spider-man 3 $ 258 million.

I'l use the Potter movies as another example. They reuse many of the same sets and locations for their movies.
Here are the budgets
Potter 1 $125 million
Potter 2 $100 million
Potter 3 $130 million
Potter 4 $150 million
Potter 5 $150 million

Despite huge advancements in CGI . more action and the reuse of sets the budget still increases . Not a huge increase but an increase nonetheless


In the case of spiderman , the increase was atributed to to large VFX slate.
Given that WB wants more action it's kinda doubtful they can make a movie for a lower cost but at the same time have more action.

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Honestly, that's a lot stuff going on. Lex as President was an idea I hated in the comics, but I'm not against it if it's done right.

What the heck is Lois upto outside of Clark. She's a great reporter too.

Clark getting LexCorp. That's certainly different.

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Honestly, that's a lot stuff going on. Lex as President was an idea I hated in the comics, but I'm not against it if it's done right.

What the heck is Lois upto outside of Clark. She's a great reporter too.

Clark getting LexCorp. That's certainly different.

Reporting on President Luthor in a negative light, winning journalism awards that set her in stone as possibly th greatest journalist of all time, missing Clark, wanting to help Superman....

I loved Lex as President lol......obviously

I'm all in favor of making a long movie, it just has to have something going on, unlike Returns!

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they should just do an origin, that incorporates the destruction of krypton, superman's first appearance in metropolis, intergang coming to power under teh power of edge who's working for ceo of lexcorp, lex luthor. intergang creates metallo who used to be a suave crook who lois helped put away. metallo goes out on his own wreaking havoc fights superman, supes is knocked out. metallo kidnaps lois to get his revenge superman saves the day with the help of a lead suit, and realizes that lex was behind the whole thing but can't prove it. and it should end like the end of superman tas(last son of krypton) and lois and clark. how luthor is seemingly untouchable even though all evidence points to him. add in some clark-lois-superman triangle and get them doing some real reporting.

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Not entirely true :
They used the same sets of Parker's appartement , the Bugle , Harry's mansion , aunt may's house for at least 2 movies ( and in some cases all 3 movies)
That didn't stop the budget increase
Spider-man 1 $ 139 million , Spider-man 2 $ 200 million , Spider-man 3 $ 258 million.

I'l use the Potter movies as another example. They reuse many of the same sets and locations for their movies.
Here are the budgets
Potter 1 $125 million
Potter 2 $100 million
Potter 3 $130 million
Potter 4 $150 million
Potter 5 $150 million

Despite huge advancements in CGI . more action and the reuse of sets the budget still increases . Not a huge increase but an increase nonetheless


In the case of spiderman , the increase was atributed to to large VFX slate.
Given that WB wants more action it's kinda doubtful they can make a movie for a lower cost but at the same time have more action.
Don't forget the salaries are increasing movie to movie as well.

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Mark Millar and Mark Waid should be consultants or should write the story and then bring in a good screenwriter.

They should use the same format as they did with the Nolans and Goyer.
Weren't the two of them and Grant Morrison all for a Superman revamp in the comics some years back when Mark was still at DC?

I think I remember reading that,but DC shot them down,but some of those ideas are being used in Grant's current All Star book.

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Don't forget the salaries are increasing movie to movie as well.
True , But that's only for the key players. There are still other factors that contribute to the increase in budgets.
Look at POTC 2 and 3. The budget sky rocketed from the first movie , despite the fact the stars did get a nice paycheck
I doubt you can go from 140 million of the first movie to 225 million for the 2nd one and 300 million for the 3rd one , just one salaries alone

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Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.

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Reboot please.

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As if this situation wasn't confusing enough.

JLA w/ unknown actor as Superman
SR w/ Brandon Routh as Superman
Smallville w/ Tom Welling as Clark Kent

And now...

Possible Mark Millar reboot w/ either an unknown or Routh as Superman

That's 4 possible live action versions of the same freakin' character at the same time!

Get it together WB!!!!


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No more origins. How many f**king times to we need to see Krypton exploding, Clark's teenage years and starting his job at the Daily Planet? We've got Superman: The Movie, Smallville, Lois & Clark, the Superboy TV series... Enough is enough.

I think Millar + Singer would be an interesting combination (Empire's article on Dougherty and Harris' departure mentions Singer is still directing and they're generally on the ball BTW), Millar can use his extensive comic book knowledge to please the nerds and Singer can keep him grounded so we don't see stupidity like Pocket Universe and the like.

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YESSSS Please let this be trueeeee

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I'm all for miller to write this film, I hope at least WB look at his treatment.

I like his attitude towards the project, its whats needed to pull off a really good supes movie!

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No more origins. How many f**king times to we need to see Krypton exploding, Clark's teenage years and starting his job at the Daily Planet? We've got Superman: The Movie, Smallville, Lois & Clark, the Superboy TV series... Enough is enough.

I think Millar + Singer would be an interesting combination (Empire's article on Dougherty and Harris' departure mentions Singer is still directing and they're generally on the ball BTW), Millar can use his extensive comic book knowledge to please the nerds and Singer can keep him grounded so we don't see stupidity like Pocket Universe and the like.

Millar's Superman comic experience + Singer allegorical subtlety =

LOL! I thought that photoshop there is kinda funny.

I do agree with you on no reboot. And we don't need another origin flick. We got that already in the first Superman film. The origin in that film was just perfect & very much like how it should've been, that we don't need a repeat. If the origin was done good for the first time, don't tell another one please. That one was fine & shouldn't be retell again. That like making another Batman film tell his origin again when we got that with Batman Begins.

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For you non comics readers,Mark has written such books as The Ultimates 1 and 2,Wolverine,Ultimate Fantastic Four,Ultimate X-Men,The Authority and Civil War.

His Superman work includes Superman Adventures and Superman Red Son.
ohhh yeahhhh i've been wishing Red Son would get made into a film one way or another, whether live action or animation.

i'm just about ready to do cartwheels with this Millar news. the only bittersweet aspect to this is that if he's pushing for a revamp, chances are Routh is out of the suit for good.

with the exception of Welling, all the other Superman rumored wannabes for The Justice League has been sub-standard at best. might as well get Routh to take over that. no use letting a good thing go to waste.

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just because dougherty and harris have gone, does not mean Singer is not going to direct.

In a way, I'm glad, hopefully somebody else can continue the superman returns story, add in proper action and let Singer direct it this time under much more supervision.

That is if WB still wants Singer to do it and Singer still wants to do it.

I don't think there is any point of a reboot now.

I would be really pissed off if they replaced Brandon Routh.

To me, Routh is superman now, no other actor in this day and age is capable of playing him.

Routh is the superman of this generation and should be allowed to do the role for however many movies or sequels there will be.

He is not even 30 yet!

Routh dammit, keep him and we are all sorted.

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Millar isnt that good. Red Son is no KC or DKR, and niether is Ultimates 2 or really anything Millar's ever done. He's not one of the top guys in comics to me. I like that he's passionate about it and everything, but after reading that interview I'm really hoping he doesnt get this job, and not because of his ideas so much, which actually arent bad nor are they that interesting, but how he says "when I fix it" and "this is my destiny". It'd just flat out be funny to see his destiny goto some guy whose never heard of Krypton.

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Millar's idea is kinda scary. What I really want is either John Byrne's MOS revamp or Mark Waid's BR to be adapted to the big screen.

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