The Fate of Two Face

[JAWS]

Is he dead or Alive?

I have read opinions on this in a few post and thought I would start it's own thread.


I feel he is still alive and has been secretly put into Arkham Asylum. It would be the perfect way to clear Batman's name in the next film. I mean you just see him lying there as Gorden and Bats talk about the importance of what he stood for. Fake his death Blame it on Batman and his message lives on. Allow people to know he is alive, what he looks like, and what he has become and Gothem falls.

Other opinions?

[StrainedEyes]

Batman doesn't want his name cleared.

[Oryon]

Wouldn't Two Face being alive, specifically for the 3rd movie, somewhat tarnish the end of TDK?

[Nightwatcher11]

This is like the Ra's death in BB. We actually don't see him take his last breath and die we just assume he's dead. And I'm sure he is.

[JAWS]

Originally Posted by Oryon

Wouldn't Two Face being alive, specifically for the 3rd movie, somewhat tarnish the end of TDK?

Oh I don't know. I mean does that mean the end of the Bat signal as we know it. Gorden can never be seen again with Batman. His name must get cleared at some point.

I know that Batman may not want his name cleared but if it's out of his hands then......

Plus Two Face deserves more screen time IMO. He is one of the top Bat villians and he only gets to run around Gothem for a day?

[In a Pickle]

He's dead and frankly, I'm glad he is. I didn't think he was strong enough as a villain to carry his own movie.

[namtaB]

The premise is that Batman took the fall for Dent so that his image as an incorruptible public servant remains intact. If Dent came back it would ruin this premise, something they spent the whole movie trying to build. Plus he was deader than a doornail.

[FlawlessVictory]

I believe he is dead. Didn't Gordon read the eulogy for Dent? Plus, the character served his purpose, targeting those responsible for Rachel. I don't want him brought back just for the sake of bringing him back and then turn into some cliched villain. There is a great sense of tragedy to the character and I feel that would be lost if he is brought back. He was handled perfectly, IMO. Just leave it be.

[FlawlessVictory]

Originally Posted by namtaB

The premise is that Batman took the fall for Dent so that his image as an incorruptible public servant remains intact. If Dent came back it would ruin this premise, something they spent the whole movie trying to build. Plus he was deader than a doornail.

Absolutely.

[FlawlessVictory]

Originally Posted by JAWS

Plus Two Face deserves more screen time IMO. He is one of the top Bat villians and he only gets to run around Gothem for a day?

Yea, how long could you possibly survive with such a half rotten face. Plus, what else you want Two-Face to do? Who do you want him to target and why?

[Steelsheen]

in the third movie (if there will be one, because frankly how TDK ends they could just stop with that), the truth has to come out that Batman didnt kill any of Two-Face's victims. what i think the 3rd film will eventually achieve is that Batman is the right kind of hero for Gotham, the hero that trully represents the city, not the idealized White Knight version that Harvey Dent was. the theme of having the spirit of Gothamites be unbroken must carry over from Harvey Dent to Batman.

what this film showed very clearly was that there was a memorial for "Harvey Dent", the idealized White Knight of Gotham. what Nolan and crew are probably hoping for is the natural assumption of audiences to think that when there is a memorial, that character is dead. in the next film they could very easily show the real truth of Two-Face imprisoned/ under treatment in Arkham, with maybe an allusion of Joker being there as well.

what i'd like to know is what Nolan's plans are for the 3rd film-- if there is a 3rd film of course. i couldnt help get the feeling that the 2nd film seemed to have ended in such finality because Nolan is pissed off at WB and is his way of saying "I quit."

[Nightwatcher11]

I think people forget that this movie was about the rise of the Joker, not Two-Face. And I can understand why someone would be upset with the amount of time they get to see of him... but he was still kick ass IMO... Especially with Maroni in the car.

Originally Posted by namtaB

The premise is that Batman took the fall for Dent so that his image as an incorruptible public servant remains intact. If Dent came back it would ruin this premise, something they spent the whole movie trying to build. Plus he was deader than a doornail.

If Dent came back it would shake the foundation of people's trust in that Gotham City lied to them. Instead of him being dead, he was actually locked away.

And that if even the most incorruptible person can be corrupt then what faith does Gotham have?

I'm not saying he will be back. But there is a way to shape it.

[DeGenerate10]

I think he was dead. I hope he was dead. I liked Two Face but I didn't think he was a strong character like he should have been. I'd personally rather see a new villain. I'm sure The Joker will be back in the 3rd but they could use a new side villain.

Originally Posted by DeGenerate10

I think he was dead. I hope he was dead. I liked Two Face but I didn't think he was a strong character like he should have been. I'd personally rather see a new villain. I'm sure The Joker will be back in the 3rd but they could use a new side villain.

Personally I wouldn't want Joker back after the performance Ledger put on.

Well, it's not exactly I wouldn't want Joker back, so much as it's I don't want another actor playing him because I think Heath did such an amazing job and it shouldn't be transformed.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't see what the problem is if they just conceal his death. He'll be dead in the public eye. He'd be a behind the scenes criminal only known as Two-Face... the public would never have to know except the ones who knew Dent best... Batman and Gordon and the Joker of course.

[JAWS]

Originally Posted by FlawlessVictory

Yea, how long could you possibly survive with such a half rotten face. Plus, what else you want Two-Face to do? Who do you want him to target and why?

Well would he not target Batman and Gordon??? He blames them both.


I don't feel it will be the end of the world if Two Face does not return but there is a side of me that hates the idea that for such a major villian the new Gothem World will never know that Two Face existed.

[StrainedEyes]

Originally Posted by FaT_tONle

I don't see what the problem is if they just conceal his death. He'll be dead in the public eye. He'd be a behind the scenes criminal only known as Two-Face... the public would never have to know except the ones who knew Dent best... Batman and Gordon and the Joker of course.

Or anyone that sees him. Dent was a public figure and everyone knows his face.

[Oryon]

I think it's pretty unimaginative if Two-Face ends up being alive just for the sake of Batman redeeming himself. I would hope and expect Nolan to delve deeper than that.

[War Party]

I figured this.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

If the same fall didn't kill Batman, it didn't kill Harvey. And yes, I'm aware Batman had the suit on, but I don't how much that suit protects someone landing flat on your back. I think they put him away without the public knowing.

[Compi716]

I think Two-Face's death was ambiguous at best. He fell a height, sure...but Batman survived the same fall.

I think he's been put away. Eckhart signed on for two movies, and I think we will get to see Two-Face again (hopefully). I hope that he will come back 'Dark Victory' style.

[Mister J]

Why is it that we, as a fan community, do this with practically every death?

Doc Ock, Venom, Ra's, now Two Face. I'm near certain that if I had have been around shortly after Spider-Man, people would have been claiming the Green Goblin was still alive.

When Gordon was speaking at a function, surrounded by police officers and (what looked to be) city officials, with two big ass pictures of Harvey in the shot and said "He was the hero Gotham needed, but didn't deserve", is it me or was that supposed to be a funeral?

I get the 'hidden agenda' stretch people are claiming could lead to Two Face just being locked up in Arkham, but how does that work? There was a battalion of GCPD around the perimeter of that locale. Wouldn't someone say "where's the body"? The cops had that place surrounded and were fastly closing in (even though they didn't know Dent was there). How much time would Gordon have to hide the body, quarter off that section to keep people from looking there, ran back upstairs and tell Barbara and the kids not to mention anything about Harvey being there and whatever else it would take to pull this ruse off? Did Two Face just eventually get up and run off on his own? How does this 'he's still alive' argument work?

[DeGenerate10]

Originally Posted by Jericho1987

Personally I wouldn't want Joker back after the performance Ledger put on.

I completely agree with you but I just think Joker will be back.

[StrainedEyes]

Originally Posted by War Party

I figured this.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

If the same fall didn't kill Batman, it didn't kill Harvey. And yes, I'm aware Batman had the suit on, but I don't how much that suit protects someone landing flat on your back. I think they put him away without the public knowing.

Batman's first suit protected him when he jumped out of a window, while on fire, and smashed into a car several stories below, in Begins.
His second suit protected both him and Rachel when they fell off the building.
That suit is built to withstand a fall. It obviously protected Bruce in that last scene.

Harvey is dead.

[War Party]

Originally Posted by Mister J

Why is it that we, as a fan community, do this with practically every death?

Doc Ock, Venom, Ra's, now Two Face. I'm near certain that if I had have been around shortly after Spider-Man, people would have been claiming the Green Goblin was still alive.

When Gordon was speaking at a function, surrounded by police officers and (what looked to be) city officials, with two big ass pictures of Harvey in the shot and said "He was the hero Gotham needed, but didn't deserve", is it me or was that supposed to be a funeral?

I get the 'hidden agenda' stretch people are claiming could lead to Two Face just being locked up in Arkham, but how does that work? There was a battalion of GCPD around the perimeter of that locale. Wouldn't someone say "where's the body"? The cops had that place surrounded and were fastly closing in (even though they didn't know Dent was there). How much time would Gordon have to hide the body, quarter off that section to keep people from looking there, ran back upstairs and tell Barbara and the kids not to mention anything about Harvey being there and whatever else it would take to pull this ruse off? Did Two Face just eventually get up and run off on his own? How does this 'he's still alive' argument work?

I completely forgot about the cops being around the perimeter. But weren't they all chasing after Batman instead of heading to the scene? I don't know. It just seems there's more to it, especially when it comes to Nolan.