Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? - Page 3

Rage · 08-19-2008, 06:47 PM

Hitler is the puppet master that pulled all the strings in the Nazi party then. He was a very public figure (unlike Bin Laden who has been in hiding for 7 years) He is not a shadowy figure that nobody has ever scene or a hidden menace...he was the leader of the German military at the time. Would you not have the American President in the movie (at some point) or Eisenhower.

I don't think that Bin Laden is a fair comparison to Hitler because he is not the leader of a nation, he is a terrorist.

Rage

OwlBoy · 08-19-2008, 06:48 PM

Well not really. More accurately it'd be like having Bin Laden in a movie decades from now. Either way, neither case would have them portrayed as heroes. The best case for having Hitler physically present (that is not just show a film clip of him or a film clip with the Red Skull inserted) is that it shows how big of a threat Captain America was to the Nazis or how big of a deal having their own super soldier program was to them.

Rage · 08-19-2008, 06:49 PM

i don't want Hitler to be a caricature of himself... I want him to be pure evil. And ideally, not in the film more than 2 or 3 short scenes (like the Darth Sideous) in the prequels

Rage

OwlBoy · 08-19-2008, 06:58 PM

I'm a little confused; you don't want Hitler to be a caricature yet you want him to be pure evil? To quote Veidt, he's not a Republic supervillian.

If he's in this movie at all I'd imagine it'd be a scene with him sitting with his generals discussing "Captain Amerika" or overseeing the "birth" of the Red Skull

Rage · 08-19-2008, 09:05 PM

I believe that Hitler was pure evil, or atleast perceived that way by most of the free world during the late 30s and early 40s. OF course he didn't think he was. Anyone who has so much hatred that he would try to eliminate an entire population of people from the world seems pretty damn evil to me.

What I don't want is for him to be made fun of or be in the movie for a laugh (tongue in cheek) like in Last Crusade. I want him to be scary and unsettling (kind of like Hannibal Lecter) I want to see and feel the evil within him, even if he doesn't see it himself. I want him to be very smooth and manipulative, with a hint of violent rage.

He was the face of evil to the free world in the late 30s to mid 40s. How can he not be in this movie (at the very least in archived footage) His presence is the very reason Captain America was needed. Cap represented all that was good (Brave, strong, humble and righteous) and Hitler represented the darkness in mankind (spite, hatred, greed, aggression)

Rage

OwlBoy · 08-19-2008, 09:32 PM

Ah, I was afraid you meant pure evil like Dracula. Although from what I've read Hitler was never acted like how you described around anyone at all but I can see why you wouldn't want a banal interpretation of him I always just err on the side of historical accuracy even if there happens to be a guy in blue jammies running around beating up Nazis.

Rage · 08-19-2008, 09:43 PM

I like historical accuracy...but can you weave Captain America in there and not mess with the historical accuracy of the timeline? If you could...even better. But Hitler was there and should be in charge and shown as a major power for the axis.

Rage

OwlBoy · 08-19-2008, 09:49 PM

No I meant historical accuracy in terms of personality; like I said my knowledge of Hitler's personality runs counter to how you described him.

DarkSuperman · 08-21-2008, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretic

I dont mind the use of archival footage. Just "Forest Gump" Red Skull into the scene and you're good to go.

That would be awesome.

DieSmiling · 08-21-2008, 08:36 PM

I think he should make a quick appearance, but should not be an intricate part of the story.

Obi-Ron · 08-21-2008, 10:12 PM

If it's historical accuracy you're after, the Red Skull should shoot the buttons off the shirt of a fellow Nazi in front of Hitler.

cerealkiller182 · 08-21-2008, 10:20 PM

Wasnt Red Skulls skull mask a gift from Hitler

3dman27 · 08-22-2008, 05:42 AM

yes it was

November Rain · 08-22-2008, 05:51 AM

i would like hitler and kaiser to be present at the birth of the red skull, that's enough of a cameo for him.

Brian Braddock · 08-22-2008, 06:18 AM

NR, There was no Kaiser at that time.

November Rain · 08-22-2008, 06:23 AM

whoever that chitauri is during the ultimates book should also be included...

Brian Braddock · 08-22-2008, 06:26 AM

If they're going with that..................but if they don't;

I personally would just have Hitler and a select few of top brass at the 'birth' of the red skull.

kyuubijavi1 · 08-22-2008, 05:18 PM

If Hitler can be in Indiana Johns he can be in the Cap's movie
but he should have nothing more than a cameo

redlion2 · 08-23-2008, 03:52 AM

^^Yeah, this is exactly the way I was thinking. A brief cameo like in Indiana Jones maybe during the creation of the Red Skull.

Pluto · 08-23-2008, 05:08 PM

Yes he should be put only in snipbits. The Red Skull should be the main focus on the villain side.

Casius--J · 08-24-2008, 04:27 AM

No he shouldnt appear, just mentioned a lot and perhaps like some posters have said just show like a picture of him in the background or a view from behind.

Hulkfan2008! · 08-25-2008, 09:05 PM

red skull

COAL TIGER · 08-28-2008, 03:07 PM

Don't know if this has already been posted but this gives an idea of what we might see.

http://www.captain-america.us/images...-vs-hitler.jpg

Obi-Ron · 08-28-2008, 04:45 PM

Ach du leiber!

marcvader · 08-28-2008, 05:17 PM

They should have the roles of any historical characters (Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt) be minimal and played by impersonators like they are doing in Watchmen. But they should be included.

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Yes, Hitler should be featured prominently.	83	37.22%
No, featuring Hitler at all would be disrespectful to those killed by him.	4	1.79%
No, but Hitler should be mentioned given his close connection to The Red Skull.	118	52.91%
Undecided.	18	8.07%
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08-19-2008, 06:47 PM	#51
Rage Valar Morghulis Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,028	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Hitler is the puppet master that pulled all the strings in the Nazi party then. He was a very public figure (unlike Bin Laden who has been in hiding for 7 years) He is not a shadowy figure that nobody has ever scene or a hidden menace...he was the leader of the German military at the time. Would you not have the American President in the movie (at some point) or Eisenhower. I don't think that Bin Laden is a fair comparison to Hitler because he is not the leader of a nation, he is a terrorist. Rage __________________ WINTER ISN'T COMING FAST ENOUGH :)

08-19-2008, 06:48 PM	#52
OwlBoy Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Well not really. More accurately it'd be like having Bin Laden in a movie decades from now. Either way, neither case would have them portrayed as heroes. The best case for having Hitler physically present (that is not just show a film clip of him or a film clip with the Red Skull inserted) is that it shows how big of a threat Captain America was to the Nazis or how big of a deal having their own super soldier program was to them.

08-19-2008, 06:49 PM	#53
Rage Valar Morghulis Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,028	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? i don't want Hitler to be a caricature of himself... I want him to be pure evil. And ideally, not in the film more than 2 or 3 short scenes (like the Darth Sideous) in the prequels Rage __________________ WINTER ISN'T COMING FAST ENOUGH :)

08-19-2008, 06:58 PM	#54
OwlBoy Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? I'm a little confused; you don't want Hitler to be a caricature yet you want him to be pure evil? To quote Veidt, he's not a Republic supervillian. If he's in this movie at all I'd imagine it'd be a scene with him sitting with his generals discussing "Captain Amerika" or overseeing the "birth" of the Red Skull

08-19-2008, 09:05 PM	#55
Rage Valar Morghulis Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,028	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? I believe that Hitler was pure evil, or atleast perceived that way by most of the free world during the late 30s and early 40s. OF course he didn't think he was. Anyone who has so much hatred that he would try to eliminate an entire population of people from the world seems pretty damn evil to me. What I don't want is for him to be made fun of or be in the movie for a laugh (tongue in cheek) like in Last Crusade. I want him to be scary and unsettling (kind of like Hannibal Lecter) I want to see and feel the evil within him, even if he doesn't see it himself. I want him to be very smooth and manipulative, with a hint of violent rage. He was the face of evil to the free world in the late 30s to mid 40s. How can he not be in this movie (at the very least in archived footage) His presence is the very reason Captain America was needed. Cap represented all that was good (Brave, strong, humble and righteous) and Hitler represented the darkness in mankind (spite, hatred, greed, aggression) Rage __________________ WINTER ISN'T COMING FAST ENOUGH :)

08-19-2008, 09:32 PM	#56
OwlBoy Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Ah, I was afraid you meant pure evil like Dracula. Although from what I've read Hitler was never acted like how you described around anyone at all but I can see why you wouldn't want a banal interpretation of him I always just err on the side of historical accuracy even if there happens to be a guy in blue jammies running around beating up Nazis.

08-19-2008, 09:43 PM	#57
Rage Valar Morghulis Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,028	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? I like historical accuracy...but can you weave Captain America in there and not mess with the historical accuracy of the timeline? If you could...even better. But Hitler was there and should be in charge and shown as a major power for the axis. Rage __________________ WINTER ISN'T COMING FAST ENOUGH :)

08-19-2008, 09:49 PM	#58
OwlBoy Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? No I meant historical accuracy in terms of personality; like I said my knowledge of Hitler's personality runs counter to how you described him.

08-21-2008, 08:36 PM	#60
DieSmiling WINNING Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,244	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? I think he should make a quick appearance, but should not be an intricate part of the story. __________________ When supervillains want to scare each other they tell Joker stories.

08-21-2008, 10:12 PM	#61
Obi-Ron Deal with it Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Flying blind on a rocket cycle Posts: 11,756	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? If it's historical accuracy you're after, the Red Skull should shoot the buttons off the shirt of a fellow Nazi in front of Hitler. __________________ In Jameson's barber we trust

08-21-2008, 10:20 PM	#62
cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 12,997	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Wasnt Red Skulls skull mask a gift from Hitler

08-22-2008, 05:42 AM	#63
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08-22-2008, 05:51 AM	#64
November Rain Single Mother Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Eleventh Place Posts: 13,344	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? i would like hitler and kaiser to be present at the birth of the red skull, that's enough of a cameo for him. __________________ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ These are my weapons The rain is my battlefield

08-22-2008, 06:18 AM	#65
Brian Braddock R.I.P. '96 Y.N.W.A. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts: 12,439	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? NR, There was no Kaiser at that time. __________________ After 23 long years the truth about what really happened has finally become public knowledge. Time for some ignorant ****ers to get themselves educated.

08-22-2008, 06:23 AM	#66
November Rain Single Mother Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Eleventh Place Posts: 13,344	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? whoever that chitauri is during the ultimates book should also be included... __________________ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ These are my weapons The rain is my battlefield

08-22-2008, 06:26 AM	#67
Brian Braddock R.I.P. '96 Y.N.W.A. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts: 12,439	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? If they're going with that..................but if they don't; I personally would just have Hitler and a select few of top brass at the 'birth' of the red skull. __________________ After 23 long years the truth about what really happened has finally become public knowledge. Time for some ignorant ****ers to get themselves educated.

08-22-2008, 05:18 PM	#68
kyuubijavi1 Side-Kick Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 594	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? If Hitler can be in Indiana Johns he can be in the Cap's movie but he should have nothing more than a cameo

08-23-2008, 03:52 AM	#69
redlion2 Interim King of Wakanda Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Blue area of the moon Posts: 1,088	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? ^^Yeah, this is exactly the way I was thinking. A brief cameo like in Indiana Jones maybe during the creation of the Red Skull. __________________ It's a foolish dog that barks at the flying bird___ Bob Marley Avatar created by Hunter Rider

08-23-2008, 05:08 PM	#70
Pluto Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Inside this realm. Posts: 537	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Yes he should be put only in snipbits. The Red Skull should be the main focus on the villain side. __________________ Katy Perry "Thinking Of You" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpuw7oH841c My Favorite Video Right Now.

08-24-2008, 04:27 AM	#71
Casius--J Web Master Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spain Posts: 3,446	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? No he shouldnt appear, just mentioned a lot and perhaps like some posters have said just show like a picture of him in the background or a view from behind. __________________ "If we can't protect the earth, you can be damn sure we'll avenge it" - Tony Stark

08-25-2008, 09:05 PM	#72
Hulkfan2008! Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: gammaworld Posts: 774	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? red skull __________________ *The dichotomy of the Hulk, he is Marvels purest soul, and its most direful combatant.* *Woe thee who dare harm an innocent in his presence, for even God won't spare you from his retribution.*

08-28-2008, 03:07 PM	#73
COAL TIGER Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 1,300	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Don't know if this has already been posted but this gives an idea of what we might see. http://www.captain-america.us/images...-vs-hitler.jpg Last edited by COAL TIGER; 08-28-2008 at 03:26 PM.

08-28-2008, 04:45 PM	#74
Obi-Ron Deal with it Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Flying blind on a rocket cycle Posts: 11,756	Re: Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? Ach du leiber! __________________ In Jameson's barber we trust

08-28-2008, 05:17 PM	#75
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