Do you think a Superman film scence can hold as much emotion as this?

[SatEL]

Lt. James Gordon: Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight.

If so describe your own powerful scence similair to this. Describe in detail the scence and what music would be playing if you already have an ideal score in mind. Also include the lines of what the characters would say.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think there can be for the end of the movie with Superman hovering outside of Lex's window talking to him about why the people can trust him or what he sees in mankind. Something along those lines and it could fit.

[SuperDaniel]

^Yes. Superman for all seasons, anyone?

[Brainiac 8]

Superman for all seasons would be a fantastic base for a movie actually.

[SuperDaniel]

A mix of Superman for all seasons, Birthright, Man of Steel, Action Comics #800 and add Brainiac from TAS would be my ideal origin movie.

[Crook]

Originally Posted by Ultimate_Superman

I think there can be for the end of the movie with Superman hovering outside of Lex's window talking to him about why the people can trust him or what he sees in mankind. Something along those lines and it could fit.

Bam:



An ending like this, would be ideal. It perfectly sets up Luthor and Supes' growing rivalry through the franchise.

[The Guard]

I'd rather have real emotion, thanks. Not pretty sounding schlock.

[Crook]

You are free to suggest your own ideas of "real emotion".

[The Guard]

Ummm...something a little more subtle, less manufactured.

[Lucid]

Originally Posted by SatEL

Do you think a Superman film scence can hold as much emotion as this?

Lt. James Gordon: Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight.

Superman: For All Seasons is the most emotional Superman story I've read or seen. I've never seen a Batman story as purely emotional as For All Seasons. The only flaw in the book in terms of adapting it into a movie is that Lana is the main love interest, which I'm not sure would be the best idea for a movie. I've always liked Lois as the main love interest in a movie, especially a reboot origin movie. But if I were making a Superman origin, I would lift maybe 90% from For All Seasons. It's a brilliant book and the best Superman story ever written, in my opinion.

By the way, emotion doesn't come from dialogue, but rather a combination of elements beginning with the base of character. That's the most important element in crafting a Superman story, the psychology of the characters and their relationships. The below is a good example of "emotional" dialogue that is only strong because it comes from the dilemma inside the character.

[SuperDaniel]

^

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by The Guard

I'd rather have real emotion, thanks. Not pretty sounding schlock.

Same here. Much rather the feeling of it than someone explaining it verbally in detail.

[November Rain]

There's actually been more emotion portrayed in the past superman films, why is everyone making the dark knight seem like its covering new ground.


even superman's speech to lois about how the world is crying out for a superman is more powerful than what gordon says at the end.

[I Am The Knight]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Same here. Much rather the feeling of it than someone explaining it verbally in detail.

The Nolans have a knack for that.

[Lucid]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

Same here. Much rather the feeling of it than someone explaining it verbally in detail.

This thread and the quoted post raise a good point, actually, which may be too in-depth for this board, but here it is anyway for those who care:

Cinematically, The Dark Knight is actually quite horrendous. Rather than using visual storytelling--the essence of cinema--everything in the film is established and explained through dialogue. It's like a stage play, not a movie, which is one-dimensional, lazy filmmaking. But! when viewed from that perspective, I actually think The Dark Knight is brilliant, honestly. I enjoyed the movie, it's a great story, gloriously crafted, phenomenally written, but it's a terrible piece of cinema (in fact, the most "cinematic" thing about the movie is Heath Ledger's performance).

The best movies work visually, creating atmosphere and emotion without speaking a word. That's why movies like E.T., Star Wars, and The Wizard Of Oz have lasted as long as they have and why each new generation, despite their ever-increasing "old movie" biases and ever-decreasing attention spans, falls in love with those movies, because they work on a fundamental level of visual storytelling. And I'm not talking about action sequences, I'm talking about executing any type of scene effectively harnessing the universal visual language of movies. It's easy and boring to just say something in a movie through dialogue, but if the filmmaker shows it to the audience, makes them feel it, that's when the experience of a movie becomes more than a passive experience, more than just a flat screen in front of you--it becomes an interactive experience where you're engulfed into the world of the movie. Only visual storytelling can create such an experience. A more recent example is The Sixth Sense. Why did audiences go crazy for that movie? The story is actually quite plain and sluggish, not the makings of a $600 million blockbuster. It's because M. Night Shyamalan, in the Spielbergian tradition, utilized the visual storytelling language to a hypnotically potent effect and audiences responded to that language whether they knew it or not.

A Superman movie can, without a doubt, contain such emotional visual storytelling because we know that the material provides glorious opportunities--any movie does, but especially a colorful morality myth like Superman--it just comes down to whether the director knows how to take advantage of such opportunities. So in this thread, when we're talking about "emotion," we're not talking about dialogue. We're talking about character, atmosphere, and the talent of the director.

Again, I point to Superman For All Seasons as a great jumping off point. Anyone who hasn't read that comic needs to go out right now and buy it. You'll thank me later.

[The Guard]

By the way, emotion doesn't come from dialogue, but rather a combination of elements beginning with the base of character.

Exactly. For some reason, many people think to think it stems from flowery, drawn out dialogue. Not so.

[Ita-KalEl]

Originally Posted by November Rain

There's actually been more emotion portrayed in the past superman films, why is everyone making the dark knight seem like its covering new ground.


even superman's speech to lois about how the world is crying out for a superman is more powerful than what gordon says at the end.

Not really.

[hatebox]

Originally Posted by Lucid

Cinematically, The Dark Knight is actually quite horrendous. Rather than using visual storytelling--the essence of cinema--everything in the film is established and explained through dialogue. It's like a stage play, not a movie, which is one-dimensional, lazy filmmaking. But! when viewed from that perspective, I actually think The Dark Knight is brilliant, honestly. I enjoyed the movie, it's a great story, gloriously crafted, phenomenally written, but it's a terrible piece of cinema (in fact, the most "cinematic" thing about the movie is Heath Ledger's performance), and not the most engaging cinematic experience.

Can't agree with that - to me TDK has some of the best imagery I've seen in a blockbuster and the whole look of the film really played up to the paranoid, climactic mood, as well as the characters of Batman and the Joker. It was an extremely satisfying film on a visual level, and that's probably the aspect i love most about it.

The way I see it, TDK was entitled to its corny scene at the end because the whole film had been the opposite of that for the the entire 2 and a half hours.

Yes, it was Gordon explaining to us the situation, but it worked because in the context of a superhero blockbuster what Batman was doing was relatively profound. And hey, I still see a hell of a lot of people arguing about the implications so it clearly wasn't that obvious anyway.

And yes, Guard, you actually have to suggest what you'd have done instead to have a degree of credibility when criticizing. IMO.

[BatmanFreak23]

TDK is #2 All Time Box Office for a reason!

[RickO'Connell]

Originally Posted by BatmanFreak23

TDK is #2 All Time Box Office for a reason!

#2 on the unadjusted all time box office list

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

But fan boys will refuse to admit this

[FlawlessVictory]

Originally Posted by RickO'Connell

#2 on the unadjusted all time box office list

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

But fan boys will refuse to admit this

So what?

I'd say #2 on the unadjusted list in an age where there are nintendos, playstations and xbox's and home theaters and piracy up the ass is pretty damn impressive. Not too mention the amount of competition movies now face from other movies and much shorter lengths of times held at theaters to make room for the big push to DVD. Plus, with some of those movies, you risked the chance that if you didn't see it at the theater during its run, you may never end up seeing it at all.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by RickO'Connell

#2 on the unadjusted all time box office list

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

But fan boys will refuse to admit this

Nevermind fanboys, why don't you go and tell that to all the publications, internet sites, news stations and everybody else reporting it is #2. Nobody seems to be going by the infamous "adjusted" list...sorry to disappoint you.

[RickO'Connell]

Originally Posted by Showtime

Nevermind fanboys, why don't you go and tell that to all the publications, internet sites, news stations and everybody else reporting it is #2

They may be reporting it but in the end it is not fact. So if they want to go by lies then by all means go ahead

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by RickO'Connell

They may be reporting it but in the end it is not fact. So if they want to go by lies then by all means go ahead

Well it isn't a lie, it is #2 on the all time list, if it was a lie there wouldn't be "two" lists. They would only count one or the other right?

[RickO'Connell]

Originally Posted by Showtime

They would only count one or the other right?

That is what they are doing only counting one & ignoring the other one which shows different results. But hey they can do what they want