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Old 09-18-2008, 08:00 PM   #101
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:07 PM   #102
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Not really. There were several points in the film where he shows great, almost blind, admiration of Batman. He starts to doubt him during the last hostage situation, but Gordon definitely admires Batman more often than not.

- "I like to remind them that he's out there."
- All the instances where he lets Batman survey a crime scene before the MCU, even when Ramirez gets upset.
- "He's in control."
- "Well, maybe Batman will save you."
- "Thank you." "You don't have to thank me." "Yes, I do."
- "No, you can't. You're NOT."
Not his feelings or view of Batman. The way he makes a speech about it.

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Old 09-18-2008, 08:22 PM   #103
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Who gives a crap if it was forced or not? I loved it so I don't give a **** if people moan about it or not...

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Old 09-18-2008, 09:00 PM   #104
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Who gives a crap if it was forced or not? I loved it so I don't give a **** if people moan about it or not...
Welcome to the world of people who liked SR....

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Old 09-18-2008, 09:35 PM   #105
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LOL @ Guard. Wow. What's the point in even discussing. From the sounds of it, TDK was one terrible Batman movie.

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Old 09-18-2008, 09:49 PM   #106
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Who gives a crap if it was forced or not? I loved it so I don't give a **** if people moan about it or not...
Most poignant post about this topic yet.

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Old 09-18-2008, 10:00 PM   #107
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Welcome to the world of people who liked SR....
In the end, isn't it all like that? Plus i see no reason to discuss Batman here in a Superman forum and spend pages and pages and pages on it.

Ps: If you didn't like Dark Knight, you are part of a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy small minority. If you didn't like Sr, you have brains!

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Old 09-18-2008, 10:50 PM   #108
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I really don't think that scene would have been the same without it. I would even go so far as to say that it left some hope at the end of a somber movie.

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Old 09-18-2008, 11:30 PM   #109
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^For sure. I thought the scene was great. Forced and cheesy? Yeah. But it worked!!

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Old 09-19-2008, 12:57 AM   #110
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In the end, isn't it all like that? Plus i see no reason to discuss Batman here in a Superman forum and spend pages and pages and pages on it.
Well, this IS a direct comparison thread. It can't go any other way! But I am surprised there's so many pages to what amounts to "can a Superman movie ever be as good as a single scene from TDK?" Come on, we don't even know who's directing acting and casting, and some of us are already wondering if it can be as good as a single speech? How about this: Let's not measure the next Superman movie on "Dark Knight" standards(whatever that means to you). Let's measure it on it's own, by it's on quality as a movie. When it's done. Not before.

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Old 09-19-2008, 12:11 PM   #111
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I had more problems with the implications of the ending scene than with Gordon's speech, which was obvious and redundant, by the way, because Nolan feels like he needs to explain to the audience what we have just seen...And can digest and make up our own conclusions on the matter later...But I did like it. It's certainly not elegant, as one poster said, but somehow it worked for me.

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Old 09-19-2008, 12:28 PM   #112
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I could see how this whole "visual language" stuff could be confusing if you're not accustomed to thinking about cinema in these terms. If you want further explanation, you can check out my post on Jim Emerson's blog regarding M. Night Shyamalan. My post begins: "Ah, I didn't know that you actually read these posts." Here's the link: http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2...e_happeni.html
Lucid seems to have gone AWOL, (which is a shame since I liked his/her posts) but I finally saw The Sixth Sense in its entirety on TV last night, and for being the best film for someone he touted as a "visual" director, there is a TON of dialogue exposition in that film. Most of it is exposition, actually. Moody exposition shots with long takes.

And it works for that movie, because it's a story about a disturbed little boy that nobody knows much about. The same treatment doesn't work for many other premises, which is what we discovered about Shyamalan as of late, unfortunately. True, Shyamalan also conveys a lot of little, unconscious things visually, but so does any other director worth his salt, including Nolan. Shyalaman's directing style is best suited to extremely intimate situations filled with uneasy dread. Nolan's directing style is best suited to more immediate, kinetic, and tense situations.

Anyways, the moment of emotional punch in a Superman movie doesn't have to be on par with what we were given in TDK. It has to be on par with itself, so I hope we get a director who knows what the film is going to be and how to shoot it accordingly.

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Old 09-19-2008, 12:47 PM   #113
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oh man, the ending for the dark knight was just EPIC, it was sooo touching....

best movie ending ever!

soo nooo i dont think any superman scene ca be as goood

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Old 09-19-2008, 01:02 PM   #114
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no it caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan't

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Old 09-19-2008, 01:40 PM   #115
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I'd end the movie like this.


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Old 09-19-2008, 02:55 PM   #116
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We'll never know of course, but it'd be interesting to see if all the people who disliked Gordon's speech in TDK would tolerate exactly the same dialogue in a comic book.

I personally felt like it was a speech that could have come straight out of a graphic novel. It's all inherently corny at heart, doesn't mean it can't be effective. And affecting.

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Old 09-19-2008, 02:56 PM   #117
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How many of those scenes are there? I swear I just read like 3 different dialog exchanges with Lex in the same exact room talking to Supes on the other side of the glass.

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Old 09-19-2008, 03:00 PM   #118
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The ones in this thread? They're from the same story. Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

Theres another one, from All-Star Superman. That one is awesome. I'll scan it when I get home.

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Old 09-19-2008, 03:34 PM   #119
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The ones in this thread? They're from the same story. Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

Theres another one, from All-Star Superman. That one is awesome. I'll scan it when I get home.
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Ah, the one when Lex blames Superman for preventing from saving the world?

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Old 09-19-2008, 03:37 PM   #120
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That's okay, but I prefer the one where he's in prison and Supes is dying and asks him why he didn't spend all of his time and genius trying to solve the worlds problems instead of trying to kill him. How they could have been friends. And then Lex just spits at him. Or is that the same scene?

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Old 09-19-2008, 07:24 PM   #121
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This one.

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^That an awesome moment.

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Old 09-19-2008, 08:08 PM   #124
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Not trying to outdo Anubis, but I think this was a good moment as well.


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Old 09-19-2008, 08:10 PM   #125
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Yeah. ASS is just full of awesome s**t. (yes, i'm aware of how that sounds)

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