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Spider-Man Strength (10 tons max lift) 10 9.26%
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Old 12-26-2006, 06:28 PM   #1
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Ok some of you may agree others will shed the noses in the air to this but i just watched the FF2 teaser and just he flying and camera shots and angles of Torch and Silver Sufer fly were more amazing the superman as a whole... i think the WB needs to hire the FX for the sequel to our movie... but who agrees that they need to use better shots and angles.... give your opinions

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Old 12-26-2006, 06:41 PM   #2
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I agree that it was good,but I wouldnt agree thats it better.

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Old 12-26-2006, 06:50 PM   #3
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I agree that it was good,but I wouldnt agree thats it better.
I agree.

Torch flying is good in the teaser , but Superman flying shot by Singer look way more powerful (and realistic).

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Old 12-26-2006, 08:22 PM   #4
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The teaser for FF2 looks pretty damn cool, but I dont see the flying being better than what was used in Returns. The plane sequence included incredible action shots of Superman flying. Picking up speed, stopping, and starting up again. Plus the Torch and Silver Surfer is all CGI.

Seems they included a little nod to Returns with Torch's descent from space after being dropped by Surfer.

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Old 12-26-2006, 09:19 PM   #5
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I didn't see anything new in that FF2 teaser....we saw the same thing in the Plane sequence, and the flying through the clouds at the end. Except, it was done during the day with McG-ish camera cuts every 2 seconds to make it appear incredibly hectic.

Superman's flying is supposed to be graceful...until he breaks the sound barrier, or is out saving something from killing someone. The most impressive thing about that teaser trailer is the great job WETA has done on the SS.

I saw that Torch fall it looks pretty good......I doubt it will have the same 'no one talks in the theatre' impact that the Superman fall from the heavens had though.

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Gah! Everybody keeps talking about the FF2 trailer but nobody is posting any links.

Is it verboten or something?

If so, can somebody pleeeeeze hit me with a pm? Pickle? Showtime? Anybody?

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Old 12-26-2006, 09:53 PM   #7
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seriously guys look how the camera makes you feel as if hyour flying with em... yes the plane was awsome but i think singer needs to to let brandon move around a bit more and do more camera shots like FF2

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Old 12-26-2006, 10:08 PM   #8
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Gah! Everybody keeps talking about the FF2 trailer but nobody is posting any links.

Is it verboten or something?

If so, can somebody pleeeeeze hit me with a pm? Pickle? Showtime? Anybody?

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fa...esilversurfer/

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HAHAHAHAHA!!! Wow! I had to watch the scene going down the building with facade pieces flying off a few times 'cause it was THAT good, and I started giggling after seeing Thing with the tissues. So the FX and the humor worked in the trailer. For me, anyway.

Interesting that they chose a flying battle scene to showcase. Heh. That's Fox for ya. Always going for the jugular.

Anyhoo, that was damn cool. Thanks, Pickle.

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Man, I'd heard it was great and better than any of the SR teaser stuff and they were right! Awesome. Fox knows how to make a superhero film. FF is likely going to be huge at the box office cause the script sounds great and if this is the level of FX - they have set the bar higher!! Kudos to Fox - I am not a Marvel fan but you make me wish I was when I see something like this.

Does anyone know the budget for this film? This is especially good as they are on a fast track - just 2 years since the first and the 3rd has been tentatively said to be set for 2009. If Singer does a sequel he will be up against tough competition in FF3 judging from this. Least in the FX department.


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Old 12-26-2006, 11:05 PM   #11
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Fox knows how to make a superhero film.
F4, Daredevil, Elektra, and X3. And because you don't like SR, all of a sudden WB does not how to make a superhero film? Did you forget about Batman Begins?

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I can't get the damn thing to work for me.

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F4, Daredevil, Elektra, and X3. And because you don't like SR, all of a sudden WB does not how to make a superhero film? Did you forget about Batman Begins?
Fox does geenrally much better than WB - with the exception, in recent times, of BB which was great.

But Spiderman 1 - 3, FF2 looking way, way better than FF, Plus some cool stuff in the works like Cap,

Yes FOX does a better job by far most of the time with superheros.

Summer 2009 will be something for FOX with FF3, the first X-Men prequel, Cap and who knows what else. Singer and WB best get their act together cause if they do a sequel they will be facing a strong Marvel juggernaut in summer 2009.

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Fox does geenrally much better than WB - with the exception, in recent times, of BB which was great.

But Spiderman 1 - 3, FF2 looking way, way better than FF, Plus some cool stuff in the works like Cap,

Yes FOX does a better job by far most of the time with superheros.
Spider-man 1 - 3 is Sony.

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Yes, and Sony does a better job too.

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I enjoyed the teaser, but felt they blew their load (just like with X3) in their first "teaser." It didn't tease anything when they give me the intial chase sequence between Radd and Storm. Where's the buildup in that? Hell, why don't they just post the whole movie on Apple? Fox is retarted. They crap out two good X-men films (which they produced like *****) and can't buy a clue as to how to market with any sort of subtlety. I hope this sequence isn't the best part in the movie. However, after the way they marketed X3, I wouldn't doubt it. I love that this part of the film looked so cool, but I for one, still remember that Tim Story is directing and I remember what I had to suffer through in 2005 at his hands. Why can't these guys and WB market like Sony does for Spider-Man? They need to find a middle ground that gets you excited to the max when you watch the trailer.

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As for the main topic of any flying changes to SR's sequel? I would just like to see more running takeoffs and Bob Harman style landings like the old films had. More of the physical flying and less CG work. They have these new kickass XYZ rigs, I just wished they'd actually use them.

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The FF2 teaser was cool but nothing new really, it isn't at all evidence that the movie itself will be any good. I like the angles and shots from the plane sequence of SR better than this teaser trailer, but thats just my opinion. Hopefully, in the SR sequel there will be a chase scene and I doubt FF will compare.

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wow. that FF2 trailer was amazingly underwhelming in every aspect. THAT is the first piece of silver surfer you give us? wow. And dear god, I hope the crew that gave us the flying in SR does NOT take their cues from these guys because wow. That was NOT in any way spectacular. Precisely every piece of flying in SR overshadows this FF2 nonsense they've given us. Oh god, perish the thought that they should EVER take their cues from these FOX fellows.

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wow. that FF2 trailer was amazingly underwhelming in every aspect. THAT is the first piece of silver surfer you give us? wow. And dear god, I hope the crew that gave us the flying in SR does NOT take their cues from these guys because wow. That was NOT in any way spectacular. Precisely every piece of flying in SR overshadows this FF2 nonsense they've given us. Oh god, perish the thought that they should EVER take their cues from these FOX fellows.
LOL! Love it. Yes, it blew any Singer teaser/trailer away. Heaven forbid the Singer team take a clue from this.

Go look again at the first SR teaser and then this - now tell me which one gets audiences hyped and which doesn't? This is the kind of thing that needs to be fixed in a Singer sequel.


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LOL! Love it. Yes, it blew any Singer teaser/trailer away. Heaven forbid the Singer team take a clue from this.

Go look again at the first SR teaser and then this - now tell me which one gets audiences hyped and which doesn't? This is the kind of thing that needs to be fixed in a Singer sequel.
I haven't seen anything to get hyped about in this trailer - but more importantly. It's a trailer. I would HATE to see a Superman movie take it's cues from this in terms of flight (and dramaturgy of course).

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LOL! Love it. Yes, it blew any Singer teaser/trailer away. Heaven forbid the Singer team take a clue from this.

Go look again at the first SR teaser and then this - now tell me which one gets audiences hyped and which doesn't? This is the kind of thing that needs to be fixed in a Singer sequel.
I haven't seen anything to get hyped about in this trailer - but more importantly. It's a trailer. I would HATE to see a Superman movie take it's cues from this in terms of flight (and dramaturgy of course). Where was the power? Where was the grace? Whe sense of urgency in this chase? Not in the CG Surfer, that's for sure. And by the way, Human Torch flying sideways? That wasn't it either.

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^^ Were you wearing a blindfold as you watched the trailer? You're seriously overexhaggerating to try and make a point.

The airplane sequence in SR is the only time I really thought Superman was brought back in a good way in terms of flight. Dynamic angles, extreme adrenaline rush, basically felt like you were right there with him. Unfortunately, the rest of the film featured a static cam panning up/down/left/right as Superman flew by. Not terribly exciting by any means.

If Singer intended for us to watch the flying from the public's perspective, and awe at the sight..then yes, he succeeded. But he also has to add in that much needed "spark" to spruce things up. Flying can be inspiring, but it can also be damn cool. No reason why one has to overshadow the other.

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^^ Were you wearing a blindfold as you watched the trailer? You're seriously overexhaggerating to try and make a point.

The airplane sequence in SR is the only time I really thought Superman was brought back in a good way in terms of flight. Dynamic angles, extreme adrenaline rush, basically felt like you were right there with him. Unfortunately, the rest of the film featured a static cam panning up/down/left/right as Superman flew by. Not terribly exciting by any means.

If Singer intended for us to watch the flying from the public's perspective, and awe at the sight..then yes, he succeeded. But he also has to add in that much needed "spark" to spruce things up. Flying can be inspiring, but it can also be damn cool. No reason why one has to overshadow the other.

Exactly. I am reading SR supporters saying FF2 blew their wad with this. How do they know that? And it tells you they realize this is good - better than most any flying FX they say in SR. The flying overall in SR, safv for plane rescue, was I agree not very exciting. And should not the Superman flying be better than any we see in FF or such. Too bad really. If Singer fets a sequel he will be competing against these guys. That ain't funny.

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the angles were better. i think this thread is about the cameera work.

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