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Old 11-04-2009, 11:18 AM   #351
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So...how's the Motion Picture coming along? The Phantom Legacy, is it?

Because, this...thing isn't exactly looking good to me.

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Old 11-04-2009, 12:24 PM   #352
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Guran makes no sense as a woman. The Phantom is a throwback to those types of stories with a rich white man in the jungle with his native butler.

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Old 11-05-2009, 02:18 AM   #353
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The Phantom Legacy is still on schedule, according to the writer. I hope it happens, but I remain pessimistic to avoid dissapointment...

Guran is the best friend and equal of the Phantom (though he did start out as some kind of wannabe jungle-wizard in stories from the 30s!), and I think it could make sense with a woman if they simply changed the name.

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Old 11-09-2009, 12:06 PM   #354
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I think that the way to do The Phantom "right" in cellulloid would be to do it like Zack Snyder did with 300 and Watchmen. By this I mean to create "another world" in which the idea of a costumed crime-fighter residing in the jungle with a wolf would not seem very quaint and the audience would buy it. We know the Spartans didn't really go to war nearly half-naked(it would be ridiculous), but Snyder made it work because of the atmosphere he created. Same with Watchmen; it was not the "realistic" world of Nolan's Batman but it did feel natural as to what the concept was.


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Old 11-09-2009, 01:32 PM   #355
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so go for a surrealistic world, eh?

I think it could work. The bottom line is that The Phatom has to be 'pulpy'. If 'John Carter of Mars' becomes a hit, and 'Doc Savage' gets the greenlight, then I think 'The Phantom' will follow suit.

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Old 11-09-2009, 03:29 PM   #356
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I can totally get that. Do it all green screen like Sky Captain and Casshern (which had some amazing scenery) so a really cool jungle can be created that is a good condensation of what it should look like from the comics. It'll help keep the budget down too, Sanctuary's done on 12 mil a year.

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Old 11-09-2009, 03:36 PM   #357
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The Phantom, by typical comic book standards, is somewhat of a niche character. In other words, you kinda have to 'get' The Phantom to enjoy it. Understand it's roots as a 'proto-type superhero'.

If they made it 'greenscreen', it could work though I prefer sets and what have you. But the greenscreen will keep the budget low AND won't be that of a risk for the studio in the long run.

I just think that it has to be stylized somehow. Make it very 'Golden Age' if you have too.

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Old 11-09-2009, 07:30 PM   #358
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I say make it a deconstruction. Make it like George of the Jungle but play it straight.

Sort of Mystery Men or Batman and Robin meets Hotel Rwanda or Last King of Scotland.

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Ooof!! Please forgive me, but with your mentioning of Batman and Robin and Mystery Men(and George of The Jungle too), I'm not sure if your post is meant to be comical or serious. I'm not being a smarta$$, I am seriously baffled.


The last Phantom movie was already campy enough(though still decent, unlike Batman and Robin). Again, a good Phantom film, imo, while it doesn't need to be as realistic as Batman Begins or The Dark Knight and should have a certain fun aspect, the tone overall should be anything but campy. Or at least not to the extent of the first 3 films you mentioned. Sky Captain, Watchmen, and 300 should be the model for a new Phantom film.

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Old 11-09-2009, 11:06 PM   #360
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And I said play it straight. Make the Phantom himself as campy as the original comics (and consider how stealthy bright maroon and purple and gleaming gold would be in the green jungles and tawny savannahs of Africa) and then interject him into a genuine and serious civil war. Play up the mass slavery and rapes, child soldiers, diamond and gold mining for guns, and overall lousyness of the situation, with that masked man in purple bumbling around. Whenever the situation gets too light hearted, just zoom out (or in) to shock the auduience and ask them just what the heck they were laughing at.

Or, to use analogies, imagine if Blankman had been dropped into the events of Rooftops or Trespass with only just enough plot armor to live (almost?) to the end of the story, but not so much that he dosen't witness and expeirence some serious soul searching-inducing instances of cruelty, greed, and inhumannity, with none of the injuries (particularly to himself) of the comedically amusing variety.

The Character should be downright corny. The Story should be downright traumatic.

You say it should be neither Batman and Robin nor Batman Begins. I say it should be both.


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Old 11-09-2009, 11:44 PM   #361
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Well, some of the stuff you mention could be interesting, but.......jeeez, man, why do you have to use "Batman and Robin" and "Blankman" as examples of all things?!! You're giving off a bad vibe by doing that.

Why not use, at least, 1996's The Phantom with the events of Batman Begins or Casino Royale, and Pirates of The Carribean. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Also, I have a feeling that if a new Phantom film is made, I doubt we'll see him in a suit of the same shade of purple he wore him in the 1996 film. I think it'll be a much less exuberant purple. I would say more gray than purple. I actually wouldn't mind seeing him in a navy-blue colored suit as he wears in the Scandinavian comics.


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And I said play it straight. Make the Phantom himself as campy as the original comics (and consider how stealthy bright maroon and purple and gleaming gold would be in the green jungles and tawny savannahs of Africa) and then interject him into a genuine and serious civil war. Play up the mass slavery and rapes, child soldiers, diamond and gold mining for guns, and overall lousyness of the situation, with that masked man in purple bumbling around. Whenever the situation gets too light hearted, just zoom out (or in) to shock the auduience and ask them just what the heck they were laughing at.

Or, to use analogies, imagine if Blankman had been dropped into the events of Rooftops or Trespass with only just enough plot armor to live (almost?) to the end of the story, but not so much that he dosen't witness and expeirence some serious soul searching-inducing instances of cruelty, greed, and inhumannity, with none of the injuries (particularly to himself) of the comedically amusing variety.

The Character should be downright corny. The Story should be downright traumatic.

You say it should be neither Batman and Robin nor Batman Begins. I say it should be both.
yeah. make him 'Doc Savage' pulpy, like Aquaman in Batman: The Brave and the Bold and set him in a real world!

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The Phantom has got to be played straight, as a product of another era with ideals that can still be powerful in ours, but not just in terms of winking at the audience about how campy and unrealistic he is. That's what made the strip work, and that's what made the parts of the Billy Zane movie work...work. The Syfy show had a decent idea in updating the concept...but they've swung too far in that direction.

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Old 11-11-2009, 02:38 PM   #364
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And I said play it straight. Make the Phantom himself as campy as the original comics (and consider how stealthy bright maroon and purple and gleaming gold would be in the green jungles and tawny savannahs of Africa) and then interject him into a genuine and serious civil war. Play up the mass slavery and rapes, child soldiers, diamond and gold mining for guns, and overall lousyness of the situation, with that masked man in purple bumbling around. Whenever the situation gets too light hearted, just zoom out (or in) to shock the auduience and ask them just what the heck they were laughing at.

Or, to use analogies, imagine if Blankman had been dropped into the events of Rooftops or Trespass with only just enough plot armor to live (almost?) to the end of the story, but not so much that he dosen't witness and expeirence some serious soul searching-inducing instances of cruelty, greed, and inhumannity, with none of the injuries (particularly to himself) of the comedically amusing variety.

The Character should be downright corny. The Story should be downright traumatic.

You say it should be neither Batman and Robin nor Batman Begins. I say it should be both.
The Phantom has never been a campy comic. The earliest Lee Falk stories have an edge and sense of mystery to them that makes them feel fresh and original even today, which is something you can't say about most comic BOOK stories from the time, which were obviously written mostly for kids (the Batman and Superman stories I've read from the time are horribly juvenile). The Phantom, and other strips I'm sure, was written with intelligent adults in mind.
AND Falk never wanted the costume to be purple, his concept was that the Phantom wore a grey uniform.
However, why is a purple uniform any less believable than the bizarre outfits of Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, and so on? Costumed heroes always look fairly ridicilous if you look at them from a certain point of view, but they still WORK, somehow.

If Chris Nolan, and to a lesser degree Tim Burton, could make audiences take a billionaire who dresses up in a bat costume made of rubber (!) and fights guys dressed as clowns (!!) and scarecrows (!!!) seriously, the Phantom can be taken seriously by moviegoers too.

While I would love a Snyder-style "comic book-y" movie, I'd prefer it if a Phantom movie took place in the kind of heightened reality we've seen in Casino Royale or The Bourne Identity.

As for the costume colour, I always wanted it to be dark blue in a movie, and I mean the deep, dark blue that he has here in Scandinavia. If they go with purple, it needs to be very dark too, but I'd honestly be quite interested in a grey costume, like Mr. Falk originally wanted it.

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http://phantomlegacy.com/page_var11

A very cool new logo has been revealed for The Phantom Legacy. At least this indicates they're still making it.

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Old 11-18-2009, 07:36 AM   #366
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That is pretty damn cool, with the purple and the apparition of the skull.

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After reading stuff on that site, I still can't believe this movie will be $130 million with no studio behind it, a producer with one credit, and a director who has only made indie movie. Thats just impossible.

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Well, I heard Kick-Ass was made without a studio on a budget of some 100 million, then they sold it to one quite recently that will distribute it. I could imagine that happening here provided they can get the film of the ground.

And Tim Boyle is not attached to direct the film, he's just the writer. I hope they announce a director before too long, and hope they go with a proper filmmaker, not some Stephen Sommers-like hack.

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Yeah. Let's hope people will associate the skull too much with the Punisher if they use it in the marketing...

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Well, I heard Kick-Ass was made without a studio on a budget of some 100 million, then they sold it to one quite recently that will distribute it. I could imagine that happening here provided they can get the film of the ground.

And Tim Boyle is not attached to direct the film, he's just the writer. I hope they announce a director before too long, and hope they go with a proper filmmaker, not some Stephen Sommers-like hack.



Yeah. Let's hope people will associate the skull too much with the Punisher if they use it in the marketing...
No. That is impossible unless they pulled a cut-throat island and spent most of the money on V-8 juice. And Lionsgate got the movie, no way would they buy a $100-million movie.

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The only thing I'd change is to have "The" above "Phantom", so that "Phantom" is centered with the skull.

As to the budget being 130 million? HA! Even if this had major studio backing, I don't know if they'd spend that much. They'd probably factor in that the Phantom still isn't that well-known here in the states (he's bigtime everyone else, though). Or not so much that he's not well-known, but his popularity with American audiences is rather suspect. Couple that with a previous live-action film that didn't really do much in the way of box-office business or critical acclaim (although I think it's very underrated), and you've got a boardroom full of nervous executives.

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130 Million is plenty to make a Phantom movie. But then I'm of the mindset of why does everythign have to cost an arm and a leg. Sanctuary costs 12 mil per season and it looks great, I don't see why a movie could the scope of The Phantom would need much more than 130 million. Seems like a lot of cash being thrown around inefficiently to me.

But I'll say again, I'm a fan of TV directors and doing things that look great for not much money. Give those guys 130 mil, they would deliver a movie that would blow your mind.

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I think 50 millions or less is good enough.

I think we're coming to a new era in filmmaking where you can make fantastic genre films without going over board with the budget. I don't think Solomon Kane or Kick Ass were more than 40 Million each to make.

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The only thing I'd change is to have "The" above "Phantom", so that "Phantom" is centered with the skull.

As to the budget being 130 million? HA! Even if this had major studio backing, I don't know if they'd spend that much. They'd probably factor in that the Phantom still isn't that well-known here in the states (he's bigtime everyone else, though). Or not so much that he's not well-known, but his popularity with American audiences is rather suspect. Couple that with a previous live-action film that didn't really do much in the way of box-office business or critical acclaim (although I think it's very underrated), and you've got a boardroom full of nervous executives.
Well, I think those are Australian dollars, the budget is as far as I remember ca 90 million US dollars. I read a year ago they had secured around fifty percent of the financing, hopefully they have even more in place now.

I think a Phantom film can do well in the US if it is marketed well and is also significantly BETTER and more accessible than the (underrated) Billy Zane version, which was probably way too old fashioned to appeal to audiences (the fact that it came out the same summer as Independence Day and Mission: Impossible surely didn't help either).

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They could hire any of the Battlestar Galactica directors, and end up with a fantastic film. Those guys made the show look far more impressive than any Hollywood blockbuster I've seen the last few years.


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Exactly. We are at the point where you can put together a pretty good render farm running whatever Linux distro you like for not much money. Combine that with digital back-lots/green screen then you can spend most of your money on costumes, a top notch crew and a couple digital designers.

In the past few years I've fallen in love with the digital back-lot technique. Even Speed Racer was a damn gorgeous movie and shows you can get as fantastical as you please, and the jungles in Sky Captain looked good years ago, imagine what could be done now?

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Personally, the part I care about the most is the story and the characters. Speed Racer and Sky Captain both look fantastic but that doesn't matter when the movie sucks. Don't get me wrong, I want The Phantom to look incredible as well, but I care more about what direction they go with the story and stuff.

I'm not sure "updating" his character a la Nolan would work in the case of The Phantom because a big backbone to his character is that kind of golden-age era feel. At the same time, I wouldn't want it to be super cheesy or campy. So it's a very fine line I think.

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