ACORN: The Official Thread

[StorminNorman]

Anyone else worried about the actions of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now)? Its an organization that has long had ties to Obama and there are already allegation of ACORN recruiting voters to register multiple voting cards - a man interviewed said he registered 15 times with the encouragement of the organization.

ACORN is targeting vital swing states as well, even as it is being raided and investigated for voter fraud.

While I think at this point Obama will win no matter what ACORN does, this crisis is incredibly distressing.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...ing_drive.html

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/m...22/133361.html

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html

[BobJM]

ACORN's illegal activities definitely worry me. An organization that Obama supports and has had long ties to suddenly gets busted for false voter registrations a month before election day?

You would think that it'd be all over the news, but it seems to have already blown over. Go figure.

[Matt]

There seems to be all kinds of voter fraud going on on both sides of the spectrum with this election and it is INCREDIBLY disturbing. What is even more disturbing is I can guarantee at least two pro-Obama posters will respond with "Good, if the Republicans cheated in 2004, so can we." Cheating, stealing elections, and circumventing democracy is becoming a common and acceptable political tactic in the minds of the parties, PACs and even their supporters and it is sick.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by BobJM

ACORN's illegal activities definitely worry me. An organization that Obama supports and has had long ties to suddenly gets busted for false voter registrations a month before election day?

You would think that it'd be all over the news, but it seems to have already blown over. Go figure.

Thats because basically every media outlet has formed a personal vendetta against John McCain due to his attacks of them and would rather play clips of him saying, "That one," 200 times a day than investigate serious voter fraud.

[Marx]

Voter fraud, on either side of the aisle, is still criminal and BOTH parties are guilty.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by Matt

There seems to be all kinds of voter fraud going on on both sides of the spectrum with this election and it is INCREDIBLY disturbing. What is even more disturbing is I can guarantee at least two pro-Obama posters will respond with "Good, if the Republicans cheated in 2004, so can we." Cheating, stealing elections, and circumventing democracy is becoming a common and acceptable political tactic in the minds of the parties, PACs and even their supporters and it is sick.

Totally agreed. It is disturbing.

[BobJM]

Originally Posted by Matt

Thats because basically every media outlet has formed a personal vendetta against John McCain due to his attacks of them and would rather play clips of him saying, "That one," 200 times a day than investigate serious voter fraud.

Too true.

[ShadowBoxing]

Originally Posted by Marx

Voter fraud, on either side of the aisle, is still criminal and BOTH parties are guilty.

Agreed.

[Raiden]

This is not a Dems issue, but an issue that is relevant for both parties. Obviously GOP has a history of voter fraud as well, such as back in 2000 down in Florida that made Bush seemed to win by a few hundred votes. But I think voter fraud should be investigated and weed out, as it hinders the democratic process in this country.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by Matt

Thats because basically every media outlet has formed a personal vendetta against John McCain due to his attacks of them and would rather play clips of him saying, "That one," 200 times a day than investigate serious voter fraud.

The only thing the media is interested in right now is pushing the "Obama is a terrorist" meme that McCain's campaign is cramming down everyone's throat. Why doesn't McCain's campaign bring up ACORN? Perhaps then his buddies in the media will pick up on it. After all, it's just fine to accuse Obama of being a terrorist when you yourself have direct ties to the Iran Contra scandal. Wonder if any of the mainstream will report that, or will they continue the BS line about how McCain always puts "country first"?

[jaguarr]

Originally Posted by Marx

Voter fraud, on either side of the aisle, is still criminal and BOTH parties are guilty.

I agree. The crap that the Republican Committe Chair in...I think it was Michigan...was pulling where they had foreclosure records and were trying to get people's right to vote denied for being on that list was despicable. It's gone on from both sides of the partisan aisle.

jag

[Paradoxium]

Originally Posted by redfirebird2008

The only thing the media is interested in right now is pushing the "Obama is a terrorist" meme that McCain's campaign is cramming down everyone's throat. Why doesn't McCain's campaign bring up ACORN? Perhaps then his buddies in the media will pick up on it. After all, it's just fine to accuse Obama of being a terrorist when you yourself have direct ties to the Iran Contra scandal. Wonder if any of the mainstream will report that, or will they continue the BS line about how McCain always puts "country first"?

The MSM will never pick this up. All McCain knows about is Foreign Policy and War. When it comes to the economy... hahahahahahaahahaha This is a free "gimme" and he is not even trying. Both candidates are a joke.

[Yerzrinot]

Originally Posted by StorminNorman

Anyone else worried about the actions of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now)? Its an organization that has long had ties to Obama and there are already allegation of ACORN recruiting voters to register multiple voting cards - a man interviewed said he registered 15 times with the encouragement of the organization.

ACORN is targeting vital swing states as well, even as it is being raided and investigated for voter fraud.

While I think at this point Obama will win no matter what ACORN does, this crisis is incredibly distressing.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...ing_drive.html

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/m...22/133361.html

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html

Since when is Newsmax a reliable source?

[BobJM]

The story's not fake.

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by Marx

Voter fraud, on either side of the aisle, is still criminal and BOTH parties are guilty.

True.

[jaguarr]

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6962

Republican Voter Registration Fraud in San Bernardino Further Exposed
by: Robert in Monterey
Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 07:52:03 AM PDT

Note: Title edited as per a suggestion in the comments

To expand on the voter fraud in San Bernardino County that the CDP alerted us to yesterday, funded by would-be governor Steve Poizner, Carol Robb of the San Bernardino County Democratic Central Committee has provided more details, including Republican DA Mike Ramos' unwillingness to even return Democrats' calls:

Here's what has happened:

·Immediately after the Labor Day weekend, we saw a large increase in San Bernardino County in Republican Registration, as compared to Democratic, for the first time in 14 months

·The office of the Registrar of Voters was alerted to this situation by Carol Robb.

·The Secretary of State's office was also alerted by a phone call from Carol Robb.

·Knowing that voter registration fraud was taking place in Riverside County, Carol Robb got a list from the Registrar of Voters, containing new registrations and re-registrations between Aug. 18 and Sept. 3. That file was used to identify over 400 voters whose registration changed from Democrat, or "declined to state," to Republican.

·Calls were made to about 100 randomly selected voters from the 400+ on the list. Because of incorrect phone numbers, only 33 interviews were completed.

·Phone interviews determined that 27, of the 33 voters reached had been "slammed" -- their party affiliation was improperly changed.

·The advice of the California Democratic Party was sought, and Bob Mulholland was designated to assist us.

·Carol Robb, Patrick Kahler, Sam Clauder, and Phil Robb (Carol's husband, retired Deputy DA) met with Kari Verjil and her key staff on Friday, September 12. The Registrar was given all information, including copies of our 33 telephone interview forms.

·Carol Robb also filed an on-line complaint with the DA's Public Integrity Unit.

·Carol and Sam kept in close contact with Bob Mulholland, who constantly urged us to "go public."

·When our calls to the DA's office were unreturned Monday and again Tuesday morning, Mulholland took matters into his own hands, and sent out a press release from the state party linking San Bernardino's situation to State Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner's repeated press releases, about his personal funding of Republican voter registration bounty programs.

·In the meantime, the Registrar's office has handed over all information to both the District Attorney and the Secretary of State, with her request for immediate investigation.

·Congressman Baca was asked to call DA Mike Ramos to urge immediate action.

·Supervisor Josie Gonzalez has pledged to contact the DA's office and urge immediate action.

·A copy of our press release and other information has been shared with a representative of Assembly Speaker Karen Bass. Karen Bass will be meeting with both Secretary of State Debra Bowen and Attorney General Jerry Brown in the next day or so, and will share our information directly with them.

SBD Republicans are trying to cast this as Democratic sour grapes but it's clear that there is something worth investigating here. Democrats are holding a press conference at 11 AM today to explain the matter to local media and demand an investigation and accountability.

It's worth keeping in mind that this isn't just about the 2008 cycle - but that the involvement of Steve Poizner, a leading candidate for the GOP gubernatorial nomination in 2010, suggests this could be a long-term strategy for Republicans in California. Certainly the track record of YPM, the Republican firm at the center of the scandal and with many years of voter registration fraud dating back to at least 2004, suggests this to be the case.

Both sides do this crap.

jag

[Matt]

And its like I said, cheating has become a political tool for parties and their supporters and that is sad.

[Paradoxium]

Besides the cheating, I also find ACORN's contribution to the financial crisis pretty comedic. What makes it better is in knowing they are fueled by tax dollars too.

[redfirebird2008]

Originally Posted by Matt

And its like I said, cheating has become a political tool for parties and their supporters and that is sad.

And while we are on this subject, anyone see what one of the top officials in the Catholic Church in Pennsylvania has said recently? He's demanding that all priests under his diocese to tell their congregations to vote for McCain. It's not only voter registration that is a problem, but time to start yanking the tax-exempt status of the churches in this country. They are becoming tools of politics. I include in this, of course, Obama's former church with the kind of political crap Wright was spewing, including telling his congregation some crap about how Hillary "doesn't know blah blah blah about suffering racial prejudice blah blah blah" in an effort to, at the very least, get people to vote against Hillary.

[kainedamo]

It's not acceptable from either side, obviously.

Is there any sort of non-partisan factcheck article that can clear up whether or not Obama is tied to ACORN and if so what it means?

[Malice]

Go with the GOOOH party people!

[Malice]

Honestly, if you get caught causing voter fraud....
Seriously....

I would make it a minimum of 20 years.

[jaguarr]

Originally Posted by Malice

Go with the GOOOH party people!

Those are people who like to have sex in kiddie pools filled with food, right?

jag

[Malice]

Originally Posted by jaguarr

Those are people who like to have sex in kiddie pools filled with food, right?

jag

DOH!

http://www.goooh.com

[jaguarr]

Originally Posted by Malice

DOH!

http://www.goooh.com

Don't ruin my joke, ya Todd!

jag