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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Don Cheadle taking over for Terrence Howard in Iron Man 2?
I'm all for it, bring on Don Cheadle! 106 38.41%
Recasting sucks. Marvel should have kept Terrence Howard! 134 48.55%
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:06 PM   #1051
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I liked Cheadle more than Howard. Howard always sounded like he was whining.

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Old 05-09-2010, 02:30 PM   #1052
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So how did Rhodes get out of the suit without a machine?

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Don Cheadle was cool, but i think Terrence Howard's portrayal in the first movie was good, and if he would've been in IM2, he could have fleshed out the character even more from where he left off in the first. He killed the line, "Next time baby!" Which made everybody in the theater go crazy- at least in MY theater, and it got that reaction everytime i saw it (thrice!). I wasn't mad at Don's performance in the movie, he did his job to the best of his ability, but i wasn't in love with it either.

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Old 05-09-2010, 03:34 PM   #1054
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So how did Rhodes get out of the suit without a machine?
Yea I was just about to post this lol

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Old 05-09-2010, 03:53 PM   #1055
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I thought Don Cheadle was great in IM2. He pretty much acted how Terrance did in the first movie, except better IMO. And I agree with whoever said they should've just got Cheadle from the beginning.

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Cheadle > Howard as Rhodes IMO

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I for one, enjoyed Cheadle's performance much better than Howard's.

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Old 05-10-2010, 12:40 AM   #1058
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I thought Cheadle was WAY better as Rhodey. Howard was far too meak. Watch the scene where he is trying to convince the guy to have the jets stop pursuit of Stark. As soon as he opens his mouth, Rhodey shuts up. He has no backbone, and is cut off and left speechless like EVERY scene. Cheadle, however, was a strong Rhodey. He kept talking over you, and was hard to shut up. When he looked at Tony in the party before getting the armor, you could see him doing something about it. Howard would have curled up in a ball and gone home. At the Capital Hill meeting, Rhodey spoke over Senators to make his point.

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Old 05-10-2010, 01:15 AM   #1059
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I wasn't that hot with Cheadle as Rhodey. I think Howard had a much better chemistry and presentation of the role in the first movie. I wish he returned as Rhodey. Cheadle came off as a little too timid.

On first viewing I also liked Howard as Rhodey better but I think that was just because I was used to him in the role. On second and third viewings I prefer Cheadle a lot more.

Here are my main problems with the Mark II/War Machine business:

-Where did the Mark II get an extra arc reactor? Why did Tony pack the Mark II with another new arc reactor. Does that one have the palladium core or what?

In just about every scene that shows his hall of armors they all have an arc reactor in them, the chest piece for each is glowing. Another cool thing I noticed better on second viewing is when Tony starts up his computer program and Jarvis. When it scans the Marks 1-4 over the Mark III it says "Battle damaged" and over the Mark IV it says "Awaiting upgrades". Don't know how I missed that the first time but I thought it was kind of cool although not necessary. Also, as someone stated in the past, Tony doesn't seem to need the arc reactor in his chest to run the suits anymore as seen in a number of scenes in IM2. So anyone(like Rhodey)could get in one and start it up...well, as long as they have access which Rhodey obviously does.

-The Mark II is an outdated and FLAWED model remember. Tony had to upgrade for a reason because the Mark II when going higher had an ice issue/fuselage issue. Does this not mean that the War Machine armor is also just as flawed? How will that issue get fixed since its still essentially the Mark II armor?

Most likely it's still flawed. Since Stark was wearing the Mark IV at his Birthday party, Rhodey's only choice was the Mark II. The Mark I was too old school and weak and the Mark III is battle damaged.

-Now I only have a problem with this because these issues are easily fixed by notes of course and by going off of the first movie. Tony wanted Rhodey involved with this. So that could explain why Rhodey knew the passcodes to the lab and knew how to operate the suit. It's been a while so Tony probably brought along his closest friend in letting him get acquainted with this stuff since Tony trusts Rhodey. I think they could've gone in that direction instead of Tony essentially saying HANDS OFF. Like Tony could still say HANDS OFF to everybody except you Rhodey. Because Rhodey clearly knew what he was doing.
Just as you said, in the first film Tony originally wanted Rhodey to be involved in making the suit but that's when Rhodey brushed him off in that hangar scene. Now that Rhodey saw Stark take off in the Mark III near the end of the first film, that was the sign that he obviously is trusted by Stark and is involved. Once again, as you said, from that point on(between the first and second film)i'm sure Rhodey was testing it out a bit.

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Again that's why I was fine with Rhodey knowing how to use it and knowing how to gain access to it when Fury and Black Widow mentioned the firewalls and Rhodey bypassed them. he bypassed them because Tony Stark clearly gave them to Rhodey.

As for the arc reactor, it was always indicated that the reactor also powers the suits and its instruments. So I don't know about it not needing one. And why would Tony build additional reactors for the old armors?

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Old 05-10-2010, 04:31 AM   #1061
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Because he learned from his near-death experience with Stane. Just a guess.

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I don't want guesses. I want FACTS!

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Old 05-10-2010, 07:16 AM   #1063
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In real life, Stark wouldnt put reactors in the old suits because he wouldnt use them anymore. Instead he would have build at least a couple more Mark IVs just in case one of them was damaged.
But anyway, it was better that Rhodey took the Mark II. The fight looked a lot better that way.

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I don't see why he wouldn't have the older suits ready to power up at a moments notice, for one it's just a safe thing to do for him and for two consider that Tony collects cars. Now, Tony may never use some of those cars and just keep them in his garage to admire, I'm sure they all still work and drive though, I'm sure he's rebuilt all their engines and made sure that they were fully functional.

Now if that's the case, why hasn't he repaired the battle-damaged suit? I'm thinking he's either keeping it that way to be sentimental about the ordeal he went through in that suit or it could be that he just hasn't gotten around to it.

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I thought Cheadle was WAY better as Rhodey. Howard was far too meak. Watch the scene where he is trying to convince the guy to have the jets stop pursuit of Stark. As soon as he opens his mouth, Rhodey shuts up. He has no backbone, and is cut off and left speechless like EVERY scene. Cheadle, however, was a strong Rhodey. He kept talking over you, and was hard to shut up. When he looked at Tony in the party before getting the armor, you could see him doing something about it. Howard would have curled up in a ball and gone home. At the Capital Hill meeting, Rhodey spoke over Senators to make his point.

Cheadle all the way.
Before I went to see IM2, I was a big proponent of Howard and I didn't think it was a good idea to recast Rhodey for the sequel, and the trailers seemed to suggest likewise. However, while I still would've prefer to see Howard stay for IM2, I think Cheadle did a good job and he works in the b-day party scene when he turned from a concerned friend to someone who just wanted to teach Stark a lesson. Howard might not have worked as well in the scene.

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Again that's why I was fine with Rhodey knowing how to use it and knowing how to gain access to it when Fury and Black Widow mentioned the firewalls and Rhodey bypassed them. he bypassed them because Tony Stark clearly gave them to Rhodey.

As for the arc reactor, it was always indicated that the reactor also powers the suits and its instruments. So I don't know about it not needing one. And why would Tony build additional reactors for the old armors?
Like I said in my previous post, it was most likely in case of quick emergencies since he didn't need the actual reactor in his chest which is just there now to keep him alive. If an emergency happened and his Mark IV was put out of commision he could just jump in the Mark II or even III for that matter.

Not to mention Rhodey doesn't have an arc reactor in his chest and would need an arc reactor sitting in the armor to use it which we both already agree that Stark gave him access to use after the first film.

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Old 05-10-2010, 03:40 PM   #1067
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I mentioned this in another thread, but I thought Cheadle's part was borderline "JT Roberts" from his role in "Swordfish" .... which I liked quite a bit. Again, great decision on Fav's part.

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Biggest thing for me was that Cheadle seemed like a tough, no nonsense military guy that I always pictured Rhodes to be. Howard didn't have that commanding presence. Cheadle stood up to the Senator and the major(who was in the 1st film) and who he is a superior officer to. The Major(a junior officer to Rhodes) essentially told Howard's Rhodes to stuff it in IM1. WTF? Cheadle wins this, IMO.

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Before I went to see IM2, I was a big proponent of Howard and I didn't think it was a good idea to recast Rhodey for the sequel, and the trailers seemed to suggest likewise. However, while I still would've prefer to see Howard stay for IM2, I think Cheadle did a good job and he works in the b-day party scene when he turned from a concerned friend to someone who just wanted to teach Stark a lesson. Howard might not have worked as well in the scene.
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Don Cheadle totally owned the role of Rhodey so much better than Howard . War Machine was badass .

I love the fight between Rhodey & Tony in the armor .


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Old 05-10-2010, 10:29 PM   #1071
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Cheadle was way better. He acts like a member of the military thats high up on the command chain. On the first one Rodey seemed like some sort of lackey with a highly non intimidating voice yelling "hey toney" over and over.

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Loved Cheadle!

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Old 05-10-2010, 11:07 PM   #1073
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I liked Cheadle but I feel he didnt get enough screentime.

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Old 05-10-2010, 11:25 PM   #1074
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I hope for more War Machine in the next one. I would love for him to be in the avengers too. That would rock.

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