Sabretooth Wolverine's half brother?

[Peter McCabe]

I noticed they gave Thomas Logan a look that resembles Liev's Creed more than Wolverine.

In the Origin comic, Thomas looked identical to Logan

[protocida]

In the comic-con trailer, his claws are clearly bone claws, not only when he's a kid, but also when he and Sabertooth are surrounded by soldiers. Maybe they changed to Adamantium claws in the new trailer to don't confuse the audience or it simple is not clear enough, causing the confusion.

[sabetoonth]

didnt dog die in origins? and the claw scars never healed, so i doubt that dog is creed at least in the comics, but it makes for a realy cool family dinamic

[protocida]

Sabertooth being Wolverine's half-brother is a really interesting idea.

[Congo Jack]

I prefer the father/son dynamic.

Originally Posted by sabetoonth

didnt dog die in origins?

No. It's unclear what happened to Dog after ORIGINS.

[Peter McCabe]

I wouldn't wanna see a scene where Jackman Wolverine is about to fight his dad.

Seeing him fight his brother is both tragic and epic.

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by sabetoonth

didnt dog die in origins? and the claw scars never healed, so i doubt that dog is creed at least in the comics, but it makes for a realy cool family dinamic

There's a thread with a long history answering all these questions, but in short...

It's been debated for a while. And no, Dog did not die in Origins, he just gets knocked out at the end of it, and Wolverine leaves him.

I've always been in support of the Dog is Sabertooth theory, just because it makes their rivalry so much more interesting. And by the end of Origins, Dog basically becomes everything that Sabertooth is today, the only thing we don't see is a healing ability, however, there have been multiple theories on this.

1.) Dog's mutant powers don't kick in until later in life (he was only in his early twenties at the end of origins anyways), and his mutant abilities could come into affect later on.

2.) Dog's mutant abilities haven't fully matured. He's already huge, and he's extremely strong (he is shown lifting Wolverine in the air and throwing him into a barn hard enough to break boards off the wall). And he could possibly already have animalistic senses because he managed to track Wolverine into the Canadian wilderness. His healing ability could just be at a low level, where it can heal injuries fast but still leave scars, not being powerful enough for complete tissue regeneration.

3.) Dog gets his healing powers through Weapon X (though I think the first two options are much more likely)


Also, it's all but outright said that Thomas Logan is Wolverine's dad, so it would make sense that Thomas is the one who carries the mutant gene, which would also indicate that Dog has a strong possibility of being a mutant as well.

[squeekness]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

There's a thread with a long history answering all these questions, but in short...

It's been debated for a while. And no, Dog did not die in Origins, he just gets knocked out at the end of it, and Wolverine leaves him.

I've always been in support of the Dog is Sabertooth theory, just because it makes their rivalry so much more interesting. And by the end of Origins, Dog basically becomes everything that Sabertooth is today, the only thing we don't see is a healing ability, however, there have been multiple theories on this.

1.) Dog's mutant powers don't kick in until later in life (he was only in his early twenties at the end of origins anyways), and his mutant abilities could come into affect later on.

2.) Dog's mutant abilities haven't fully matured. He's already huge, and he's extremely strong (he is shown lifting Wolverine in the air and throwing him into a barn hard enough to break boards off the wall). And he could possibly already have animalistic senses because he managed to track Wolverine into the Canadian wilderness. His healing ability could just be at a low level, where it can heal injuries fast but still leave scars, not being powerful enough for complete tissue regeneration.

3.) Dog gets his healing powers through Weapon X (though I think the first two options are much more likely)


Also, it's all but outright said that Thomas Logan is Wolverine's dad, so it would make sense that Thomas is the one who carries the mutant gene, which would also indicate that Dog has a strong possibility of being a mutant as well.

There was a poor lonely What If? floating around that showed later years where a normal human Dog was a corrupt casino runner or some such and yeah, Logan killed him, but it was a terrible story and not really canon so we (as in I) try to pretend that it never existed. I personally love Dog to be Sabes. It makes so much more sense just like the poster above said. I even used it in my own story since it was all too easy to believe. I am glad they went this route.

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by squeekness

There was a poor lonely What If? floating around that showed later years where a normal human Dog was a corrupt casino runner or some such and yeah, Logan killed him, but it was a terrible story and not really canon so we (as in I) try to pretend that it never existed. I personally love Dog to be Sabes. It makes so much more sense just like the poster above said. I even used it in my own story since it was all too easy to believe. I am glad they went this route.

I heard about that as well, but I never bothered to pick it up. I personally hope that the comics decide to explore the route of Sabes being Dog because it opens up so many more ideas to explore with his character. It would add quite a bit of depth to his and Wolverine's relationship.

Also, where was it confirmed that Sabes is in fact Dog in this movie?

[Peter McCabe]

Jackman said Logan and Creed were siblings in the movie.

In the Trailer, alot of Origin material is covered, including the young James stabbing Thomas Logan (Aaron Jeffery with mutton chops and claws) with bone claws.

This whole thing ties up very well.

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

Jackman said Logan and Creed were siblings in the movie.

In the Trailer, alot of Origin material is covered, including the young James stabbing Thomas Logan (Aaron Jeffery with mutton chops and claws) with bone claws.

This whole thing ties up very well.

I'm really pleased they decided to include Origins instead of going with the lame kid bullied by jocks story they mentioned for the first draft.

Origins is actually one of my favorite Wolverine stories. It includes a theme that I think tends to be missing from many recent Wolverine stories as of late, and that is that, deep down, Wolverine is a good hearted guy, but he's just had a bunch of crap happen to him.

In some stories people write Wolverine like a powered up Punisher with claws, and that's not Wolverine to me. Wolverine should have that dark side, but at the heart of things he's a good man, and he tries as hard as he can to throw aside his violent nature, but circumstances usually dictate otherwise. That's why I like Origin. One of the line's from Rose's diary sums it up "...No matter how hard you try to hide it, you have your father's good nature in your eyes."

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

I'm really pleased they decided to include Origins instead of going with the lame kid bullied by jocks story they mentioned for the first draft.

Origins is actually one of my favorite Wolverine stories. It includes a theme that I think tends to be missing from many recent Wolverine stories as of late, and that is that, deep down, Wolverine is a good hearted guy, but he's just had a bunch of crap happen to him.

In some stories people write Wolverine like a powered up Punisher with claws, and that's not Wolverine to me. Wolverine should have that dark side, but at the heart of things he's a good man, and he tries as hard as he can to throw aside his violent nature, but circumstances usually dictate otherwise.

I heard Jackman agree with everything you wrote there in an interview for X2. The guy liked Origin alot.

I never did like that whole 1950s kid being bullied story for the film.

Wolverine is more epic than that.

[squeekness]

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

I'm really pleased they decided to include Origins instead of going with the lame kid bullied by jocks story they mentioned for the first draft.

Origins is actually one of my favorite Wolverine stories. It includes a theme that I think tends to be missing from many recent Wolverine stories as of late, and that is that, deep down, Wolverine is a good hearted guy, but he's just had a bunch of crap happen to him.

In some stories people write Wolverine like a powered up Punisher with claws, and that's not Wolverine to me. Wolverine should have that dark side, but at the heart of things he's a good man, and he tries as hard as he can to throw aside his violent nature, but circumstances usually dictate otherwise. That's why I like Origin. One of the line's from Rose's diary sums it up "...No matter how hard you try to hide it, you have your father's good nature in your eyes."

Unfortunately, that was his step dad she was talking about, not the genetic donor. Thomas was a di-ck.

[Peter McCabe]

I think Thomas' frustration for not being able to have Elizabeth fully made him a di-ck.

He probably got fed up with the rich as a way to cope with her only making him the guy on the side.

She really liked him, so he must have been a nice guy at one point.

Or she just liked the beast in him...

Don't know if this has been dealt with yet, but does anyone know if or how they're going to make the transition from Liev Shreiber's Sabertooth to Tyler Mane's Sabertooth? Or do you think they're just going to buck the established movie continuity and say Liev is Sabertooth, and no further evolution into Mane shall there be? From what I've seen, Liev looks awesome, not like the permed up wrestler with black contacts that Mane made the character. Just wondering if anything's been established.

[Congo Jack]

Originally Posted by DEAD DUCK

Don't know if this has been dealt with yet, but does anyone know if or how they're going to make the transition from Liev Shreiber's Sabertooth to Tyler Mane's Sabertooth? Or do you think they're just going to buck the established movie continuity and say Liev is Sabertooth, and no further evolution into Mane shall there be? From what I've seen, Liev looks awesome, not like the permed up wrestler with black contacts that Mane made the character. Just wondering if anything's been established.

I think everyone here knows as much as you. The first draft of the script had an explanation, but just judging from the characters they're using and the trailers, the third act seems to have been changed drastically.

Originally Posted by Congo Jack

I think everyone here knows as much as you. The first draft of the script had an explanation, but just judging from the characters they're using and the trailers, the third act seems to have been changed drastically.

That's good to know, at least. I wasn't sure if any big secrets have been leaked on these boards. I have to say I'm quite excited to see this movie!

[TNC9852002]

I hate the thought of reading scripts for unreleased movies, but I'm interested in how they would explain that.

-TNC

[Peter McCabe]

From what I remember, there was a clone story.

I get the feeling its in the final film.

As long as Creed survives this film, I'll be happy...then again, if he dies galantly in a duel to the death with Logan I will also be content.

I just felt like Liev really had the spirit of the character from what I saw. He's a pretty great actor, and I think this could be very cool. And I hadn't heard about a clone situation. That would be a good explanation for why Sabertooth looks so different in X-Men. Guess we'll see!

[TNC9852002]

Well, a clone makes sense on Creed's side, but I wonder what makes Wolvie lose his memory again. "Sabretooth?"

-TNC

[Peter McCabe]

Origin shows how severe emotional trauma gives Wolverine amnesia.

My guess is he doesn't lose his memory at the end of this movie, and loses it in the obviously proposed sequel.

Maybe after Mariko's death.

[TNC9852002]

Hmmm...Bringing Kelly Hu back would surely be awesome news.

-TNC

[Infinity9999x]

Originally Posted by squeekness

Unfortunately, that was his step dad she was talking about, not the genetic donor. Thomas was a di-ck.

Oh I know, but Howlett was the man who raised Wolverine for a good part of his life, and the person that Wolverine learned from and admired. I consider him his "father" in the more important sense of the word.

I also think Dog ended up the way he was because of his father, and later experiences. He was treated horribly so he grew up to be a horrible person.

Originally Posted by Infinity9999x

Oh I know, but Howlett was the man who raised Wolverine for a good part of his life, and the person that Wolverine learned from and admired. I consider him his "father" in the more important sense of the word.

I also think Dog ended up the way he was because of his father, and later experiences. He was treated horribly so he grew up to be a horrible person.

Yeah, I could see that. It's also hard for me to think that Dog isn't Sabretooth. I feel like he is. I mean, maybe he isn't. I don't know. But man, they sure painted that character in some familiar strokes if it wasn't meant to be Sabretooth!