The Israel Situation

[AnimeJune]

Originally Posted by kainedamo

It's funny that you say that Truthteller, because I think it's the other way around.

Israel has a right to defend itself - for a nation that's surrounded on all sides by countries whose highest goal is to obliterate it out of existence, it's been more merciful then it needs to be.

Ever hear the saying, "sleep with dogs, and you'll wake up with fleas?" Support terrorists, and you'll meet their fate.

I'm not saying that violence and war is good - it never is. But Israel keeps getting attacked in the same way by Arab countries.

1. Arabs provoke Israel with the first act of violence (killing seven soldiers and kidnapping two, who are probably dead now).

2. Then, when Israel retaliates and the Arabs get their asses handed to them by the superior-in-nearly-every-way Israeli military, the Arabs start wailing about the horrible, horrible violence they're enduring to the UN.

3. The UN tells Israel to back off - Israel, being a responsible and obediant nation, does - and the Arabs consider it a victory! Remember that battle when Israel was attacked on one of its most sacred holidays - Yom Kippur? The Arabs consider that a victory, just because Israel backed off.

It's the equivalent of the kid who hits another on the head with a rock, and then runs screaming to his teacher when the guy fights back.

Israel has showed mercy - Israel has given up land and obeyed ceasefires and made treaties in order to be peaceful. They weren't the ones who chased the Palestinians out of Israel - the OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES scared the cowardly Palestinians out of Israel. Israel allows Palestinians into Jerusalem to work - have other Arab nations done the same? NO.

And do you think any of this makes the Arab nations any friendlier to Israel? NO. Every mercy Israel performs is taken as a sign of weakness. Israel has given its opponents a boatload of chances for peace. If they won't take it, let them reap the whirlwind. Israel has more than earned it's place in the world.

Coming to the rescue of Hezbollah and nations who attack Israel only stops the violence in the short term. In the long term, it prolongs the violence because enemies of Israel now know they can get away it.

Coming to the rescue of these nations only stops the violence in the short term. In the long term, it prolongs the violence and the emnity against Israel because now they know they can get away with it as long as the UN keeps buying their "poor pathetic victim" act. You don't want to get bombed? STOP HARASSING ISRAEL.

[raybia]

The first thing that needs to happen is a cease fire on both sides and the U.S. should lead a diplomatic intervention to achieve it fire and the release of Israeli soldiers. These talks should also include the release of Palestian women and children that the Government is holding with any specific charges.

If Hezbollah chooses not to then Israel has the right to self-defense, which of course is self-evident, but they need to do so in a manner that meet the requirement of both ethics and long-term interests for them and their Neighbors.

That is what civilized countries and Governments do.

[Kaleb]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Ronny Shade]

10 days til armageddon

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Originally Posted by Ronny Shade

10 days til armageddon

Where's the Affleck & Willis?

[JLBats]

This is all very well and good, but what does it have to do with the sexuality of D-List celebrities?

[Ronny Shade]

thats what I want to know

[Kaleb]

*raises clenched fist in air* God damn you TheSumOfGod

[Ronny Shade]

how is this his fault?

[FlameHead]

Sadly, Isreal is just a base.

Their government is not acting on the wishes of the people considering a lot of the public is calling for a end to this complete destruction of Lebonon. Lebonon, not Hezbollah. Everyone keeps talking about Hezbollah because it's somebody to blame but, let's face it, all of Lebonon are suffering and the people are pissed. And who wouldn't be? They've destroyed infastructure which goes against strick war laws.

Look folks, this 'crisis' is being used to get a much bigger war happening. This is going to be used to get the US (or Coalition) into Iran and/or Syria. And it's worse, there will be another false flag event (like 9/11) to help do that.

So be prepared.

[cass]

The whole talk of needing international intervention for a ceasefire is foolish. If Hamas/Hezbollah would return the soldiers and actually retreat from Southern Lebanon, Israel will ceasefire. The U.N. has no reason to step in and screw up something again.

[Kaleb]

im ganna link everything that has happend in this past couple of months to him

[logansoldcigar]

Its actually not common for terrorist organisations to have political wings. The IRA had Sinn Fein.Sinn Fein's deputy leader was a convicted terrorist.

[FlameHead]

They aren't telling us the truth folks. Hezbollah, according to the following articles did not cross the border to capture these soldiers. The soldiers crossed into Lebanon.

I'm not saying they should have been captured but, the facts have to at least fact.

From:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/fee...ap2873051.html

The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity.

From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/he..._soldiers.html

The Lebanese *****e Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. "Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon," a statement by Hezbollah said. "The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border.

From: http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348

The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut.

From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html

TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory

From: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/m...uring_soldiers

In the afternoon, the scene changed in the streets of southern Lebanon, which was the target of 32 Israeli raids that mainly targeted areas near the area where the two soldiers were captured in Aita al Chaab, close to the border with Israel.

From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/he...soldiers2.html

According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning.

From: http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/200...191@113428.htm

The militant group Hezbollah said it captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes across the border in southern Lebanon on Wednesday.

From: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by FlameHead

They aren't telling us the truth folks. Hezbollah, according to the following articles did not cross the border to capture these soldiers. The soldiers crossed into Lebanon.

I'm not saying they should have been captured but, the facts have to at least fact.

From:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/fee...ap2873051.html


From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/he..._soldiers.html


From: http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348


From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html


From: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/m...uring_soldiers


From: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/he...soldiers2.html


From: http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/200...191@113428.htm


From: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

Forbes I can respect, but www.whatreallyhappened.com is probably the most anti-semitic and anti-american site on the internet.

It's never passed up a good opportunity to slag America or Israel.

[Mr Sparkle]

pssst Jonty........pssst unaswered questions here ^

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by Mr Sparkle

pssst Jonty........pssst unaswered questions here ^

I see no questions.

[FlameHead]

Perhaps they are but, there are several other reports besides the 2 that you mentioned.

[raybia]

Originally Posted by cass

The whole talk of needing international intervention for a ceasefire is foolish. If Hamas/Hezbollah would return the soldiers and actually retreat from Southern Lebanon, Israel will ceasefire. The U.N. has no reason to step in and screw up something again.

What about Israel returning the innocent women and children that they kidnapped?

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by raybia

What about Israel returning the innocent women and children that they kidnapped?

Where's this proof of innocent women and children?

[raybia]

Israel's actions that are causing the loss of civilian life and destroying civil society and undermining the new Lebanese government may actually be much more detrimental to Israel's long-term interests.

As the numbers of Lebanese noncombatant casualties mount, it is eroding Israel's moral standing and it's mobilizing the popular antagonism against the Jewish state.

[AnimeJune]

Originally Posted by War Lord

Where's this proof of innocent women and children?

Yeah - when the enemy is notorious for strapping bombs to women and children, you can't take any chances.

This is war - neither side is completely moral or justified. I support Israel, because over the years, it's actions have been more justified then those of the Arab nations that continue to harass it.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by raybia

Israel's actions that are causing the loss of civilian life and destroying civil society and undermining the new Lebanese government may actually be much more detrimental to Israel's long-term interests.

As the numbers of Lebanese noncombatant casualties mount, it is eroding Israel's moral standing and it's mobilizing the popular antagonism against the Jewish state.

In other words, dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

Either tolerate terrorist attacks without striking back and people semi-tolerate you or strike back and they hate you.

I'd prefer to be hated in that situation, at least I could take action.

[Mr Sparkle]

the whole page....duh.

[AnimeJune]

Originally Posted by War Lord

In other words, dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

Either tolerate terrorist attacks without striking back and people semi-tolerate you or strike back and they hate you.

I'd prefer to be hated in that situation, at least I could take action.

Actually, to me it seems like: either tolerate terrorists attack and be thought of a weak doormats easy to pick on, or strike back and get blamed for all the violence.