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Old 03-31-2009, 07:55 PM   #101
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It's pretty easy to understand why Jon made Hammer so young. He's an evil version of Stark. He's what Start wouldv'e become if he hadn't seen the error of his ways. It's a great move by Jon

Besides Sam Rockwell is a great actor. Just like RDJ he's a guy who came from doing Comedy.

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Old 03-31-2009, 08:28 PM   #102
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I hate to burst your bubble, but I thought we were referring to Domestic gross. If we're referring to WW gross, then Rockwell starred in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which made $104M WW. Try to do some research before you come in and complain inaccurately that a certain actor hasn't had successful movies.

I was responding to your post about Robert Downey JR. and Mickey Rourke movies. Where in your last post did you mention Sam Rockwell's name? I sure didn't see Mister Sam Rockwell's name in your last post. Besides, except for The Dr. Who and The Harry Potter franchise, I really don't care about any other science fiction books or movies from England.





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uh, he's a great actor so...who gives a ****?

So let me see if I understand your post. You are saying that Sam Rockwell is a great actor. That his acting ablilties are are up to par or beyond other actors. That he is in the same league as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Julia Roberts. True, he has had some success in his movie carreer, but when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor. I have never heard of the man and have never seen any of his recent movies.




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So let me see if I understand your post. You are saying that Sam Rockwell is a great actor. That his acting ablilties are are up to par or beyond other actors. That he is in the same league as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Julia Roberts. True, he has had some success in his movie carreer, but when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor. I have never heard of the man and have never seen any of his recent movies.



See what's in bold? There's where I stopped reading.


Oh, and you're little point about "...when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor." is BS. Do you think that Daniel Day Lewis is a household name? Jackie Earle Haley? Richard Jenkins? While these may not be names that are plastered all over tabloids for looks and "acting", they will deliver better performances than half the names you just mentioned. What, just because Zac Efron is a household name, that immediatly makes him a good actor?

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It's pretty easy to understand why Jon made Hammer so young. He's an evil version of Stark. He's what Start wouldv'e become if he hadn't seen the error of his ways. It's a great move by Jon

Besides Sam Rockwell is a great actor. Just like RDJ he's a guy who came from doing Comedy.

When you say comedy, do you mean stand up comedy or playing situation comedies in movies?



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I was responding to your post about Robert Downey JR. and Mickey Rourke movies. Where in your last post did you mention Sam Rockwell's name? I sure didn't see Mister Sam Rockwell's name in your last post. Besides, except for The Dr. Who and The Harry Potter franchise, I really don't care about any other science fiction books or movies from England.
You're not understanding my point. If you want to claim Rockwell hasn't a $100M movie, then we are talking domestic, then RDJ and Rourke haven't either. If you want to say RDJ & Rourke have, then we are talking WW, which means Rockwell has as well.

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See what's in bold? There's where I stopped reading.


Oh, and you're little point about "...when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor." is BS. Do you think that Daniel Day Lewis is a household name? Jackie Earle Haley? Richard Jenkins? While these may not be names that are plastered all over tabloids for looks and "acting", they will deliver better performances than half the names you just mentioned. What, just because Zac Efron is a household name, that immediatly makes him a good actor?
To answer your question weather an actors' name or clout makes him or her a good actor. Sorry to say, it does. For example, if Tom Cruise was not in the Mission Impossible Movie franchise, would you have spent your money to see him in the movies. Probably not. So an actors' name and power in Hollywood does makes a big difference, wheather or not the movie will be a success. A lot people tend to forget that Hollywood is a business and that they are out to make a profit. So having a actors' name who is a household name attached to a big movie deal does matter. Can you at least name an unknown actor who has been interviewed on TV numerous times, won any kind of awards, and has a lot of pull in Hollywood. I like to know.




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Having a big name might give you pull, but does not make you a GOOD actor. Acting is a skill, not a, if they have the name for it.

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To answer your question weather an actors' name or clout makes him or her a good actor. Sorry to say, it does. For example, if Tom Cruise was not in the Mission Impossible Movie franchise, would you have spent your money to see him in the movies. Probably not. So an actors' name and power in Hollywood does makes a big difference, wheather or not the movie will be a success. A lot people tend to forget that Hollywood is a business and that they are out to make a profit. So having a actors' name who is a household name attached to a big movie deal does matter. Can you at least name an unknown actor who has been interviewed on TV numerous times, won any kind of awards, and has a lot of pull in Hollywood. I like to know.



There is a difference between having a huge name to yourself and being a great actor. Just because your name is plastered on walls and interviewed constantly doesn't warrant you to be a great actor. A huge name does not equal great acting. Is Zac Efron a great actor? Think long and hard about that one. He's constantly being interviewed on TV, he wins ****loads of awards at those kiddie shows, and makes any gay dancing/crappy comendy he wants, or "a lot of pull in Hollywood." Is he a great actor?

On a similar note, is Brenden Gleesen on TV all the time? Does he win ****loads of public awards that a general public chooses? Does he produce every film he's in? No, but that doesn't take away he's an amazing actor that trumps almost any name actor.

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You're not understanding my point. If you want to claim Rockwell hasn't a $100M movie, then we are talking domestic, then RDJ and Rourke haven't either. If you want to say RDJ & Rourke have, then we are talking WW, which means Rockwell has as well.

I was not saying anything about Sam Rockwell in your posts. You brought up his name. According to the website, Wikipedia, both Rourke and Downey JR. have had both broke the $100M mark. I'am talking about worldwide profits. If you look under the actors' filmograpgy, you will notice they have one movie a piece that broke the $100M mark. The $100M is worldwide profits. They are: Sin City for Rourke and U.S. Marshall for Downey JR.




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There is a difference between having a huge name to yourself and being a great actor. Just because your name is plastered on walls and interviewed constantly doesn't warrant you to be a great actor. A huge name does not equal great acting. Is Zac Efron a great actor? Think long and hard about that one. He's constantly being interviewed on TV, he wins ****loads of awards at those kiddie shows, and makes any gay dancing/crappy comendy he wants, or "a lot of pull in Hollywood." Is he a great actor?

On a similar note, is Brenden Gleesen on TV all the time? Does he win ****loads of public awards that a general public chooses? Does he produce every film he's in? No, but that doesn't take away he's an amazing actor that trumps almost any name actor.



Sorry, my man. I have never heard of Zac Efron or Brenden Gleesen. I guess they are not household names yet. I watch a lot of TV and go the movies four or five time a month.



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Sorry, my man. I have never heard of Zac Efron or Brenden Gleesen. I guess they are not household names yet. I watch a lot of TV and go the movies four or five time a month.


Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.

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Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.
Ok, I did look up Zac Efron filmography. I hate to admit, I have never seen any of his movies or TV Shows. I don't watch the Disney Channel, don't watch CSI: Maimi, don't watch ER, didn't see Hairspray, or a show about young teenage love, like Summerland. I dislike all musicals. So I would have never seen his movie, High School Musical. I won't waste my money on his new movie, 17 again. It's not my kind of movie. He may be well known by teenagers or young adults between 13-25 yrs, but I don't think people over 30-35 yrs or older have ever heard of the man.




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Rockwell also was in the Green Mile, which made $286,801,374 WW.

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Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.
Actually, if it wasn't for being on message boards like these I'd never have heard of him either. My TV hasn't tuned into the Disney channel EVER! If it ever did, I'd euthanize it. I have no tolerance for family crap.

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Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.
Actually, it's very believable, to me at least. He may be big in the states buts its not necessarilly the case in other parts of the world.

Up until very recently I'd never heard of him either. He's not that well known over here in the U.K. There was a funny story reported the other day that his new movie premiered in London and hardly anyone turned up; much to his disbelief.


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Well, I stand corrected.

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Based on that look I am thinking MIT rival of Tony's that went on to do great things himself.
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I think that may be what they are going for, someone Starks age, he will be the head of Roxxon Corp, he'll be Tony Stark, except evil and not as gifted.
They already went with the older Buinessman with Stane, so it makes sense to make the change and turn Hammer from 70 to 35ish.
the thing is Tony was a child genius, who graduated from MIT at like 15, so, for Hammer to be the same age as Tony, an for him to of been in the same class as him, he to would have to be a genius

it just seems to take away from Tony being the smartest, for someone his age to be his equal, (its one thing for someone twice his age to be as smart as him)

I don't say this complaining, or whatever
but, IDK, to me Stark always came cross as a kid playing in an adults world (metaphorically speaking, of course) that’s why it fits that his rivals are all much older, guys who have been in the industry for most of they lives, an for this "young kid" (which to them, thats how they see him) to out do them, is what drives them mad

agian, not complaining, I am kinda curious, to how they well play this out, but, I can see where it can seem odd to some


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^I can see your point and I agree to an extent. Hammer was never a genius in the comics, was he? I always thought he was just more of a shrewd/ruthless/sneaky business man. To me Hammer always seemed like the comics version of the character of Dillinger from the movie Tron. "Not as young, not as bright, but very, very sneaky."

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I don't think Hammer will be an inventor, like Stark; he will probably be a prodigy, but as a business man, and not an arms developer like Stark. Therefore, I don't think his age will make them too similar.

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how come so many of these movies change the villains to be more like an evil clone of the main character? i'm thinking Venom, Sabretooth, now this.

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how come so many of these movies change the villains to be more like an evil clone of the main character? i'm thinking Venom, Sabretooth, now this.
and abomination.

i wonder when fox is gonna give up their corresponding movie rights back to marvel

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Abomination was basically a clone of Hulk in the comics, that wasn't changed

Justin Hammer was either going to be similar to Tony Stark or Obadiah Stane, they chose to go with the former rather than the latter

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Justin Hammer was either going to be similar to Tony Stark or Obadiah Stane, they chose to go with the former rather than the latter
but the only similarity is age??? Stane was a mentor turned villain, Hammer is a competitor who has just pretty much always been a bad guy

they may as well just use bizarro as the next supes villain

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As long as they don't make the connection between Stark and Whiplash/Hammer some kind of emotional friendship like all of the villians in Spider-Man I'll be happy.

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