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Old 08-26-2015, 09:26 AM   #1
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Would you say Cap is more left-wing or right-wing? Democrat or Republican?

What do you think his stance on taxes, immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc is?

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Old 10-06-2015, 03:05 AM   #2
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Cap lives in a nation that is both democratic and a republic. He's a democrat and a republican. The bipartisan system is a joke. A big distraction for the common people. And Cap would more than likely realize this.

Cap would probably be in favor of small government across the board - "right-wing"

But he would probably be pro-freedoms and civil liberties such as, pro gay marriage, pro-choice, pro legalization of marijuana. Allowing the individual the right to decide how to live their own lives as long as they aren't hurting others. - "left-wing"

Not to mention he would be all for allowing immigrants and refugees asylum within our walls. God damn, he's a hero for cripes sake. As if he'd let people suffer when there's space and resources available.

And for that matter do you really think he'd be a climate change denier? There's no upside to denying climate change except to save money/tax dollars/keep oil costs high. He'd fight it.

The guy may be judeo-christian in his own faith, but seeing as how he's so pro-freedom, he'd likely understand why we've established a foundation of separating church and state, so that all people could practice their religions equally.

(I am however stumped on hypothesizing his views on the death penalty and gun control)

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Old 10-20-2015, 12:20 PM   #3
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Captain America is a Democrat of the 1940s. That doesn't mean that he is a Democrat today. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat in the 1940s.

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Old 10-29-2015, 06:42 AM   #4
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Cap lives in a nation that is both democratic and a republic. He's a democrat and a republican. The bipartisan system is a joke. A big distraction for the common people. And Cap would more than likely realize this.

Cap would probably be in favor of small government across the board - "right-wing"

But he would probably be pro-freedoms and civil liberties such as, pro gay marriage, pro-choice, pro legalization of marijuana. Allowing the individual the right to decide how to live their own lives as long as they aren't hurting others. - "left-wing"

Not to mention he would be all for allowing immigrants and refugees asylum within our walls. God damn, he's a hero for cripes sake. As if he'd let people suffer when there's space and resources available.

And for that matter do you really think he'd be a climate change denier? There's no upside to denying climate change except to save money/tax dollars/keep oil costs high. He'd fight it.

The guy may be judeo-christian in his own faith, but seeing as how he's so pro-freedom, he'd likely understand why we've established a foundation of separating church and state, so that all people could practice their religions equally.

(I am however stumped on hypothesizing his views on the death penalty and gun control)
Good post, and I feel similar. I don't think he would back any particular candidate and those who did know his political leanings would be those closest to him. We've seen him become disillusioned with the powers that be at times, ala the Nomad period, so he certainly thinks for himself and isn't swept along by the political zeitgeist of any particular age.

We could make a few educated guesses about Steve Rogers' world view. When he balked at SHIELD asking him to help with the SHRA, it was obvious that he's wary of government agencies. Although he seems contemplative about when violence should be used, his insistence on joining the fight against the Nazis is shows he's not a pacifist. On these issues, he seems to have a conservative leaning.

On the flip side, he seems to welcome diversity and will protect people's right to choose their own path. He's fought alongside gods, monsters, mutants, and robots. It's safe to say that he would see intrinsic value in any human, regardless of religion, national origin, or sexual orientation. He speaks multiple languages, at least prior to Marvel Now. He's had a special relationship with Wakanda over the decades, so he's certainly not an isolationist. In these areas, he seems to be liberal.

So it's safe to say that he's a mix of both viewpoints. He seems slightly more liberal to me, but that could be colored by my own perception. He's surely a tough character to write given the political divide of the nation.

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Old 01-03-2016, 11:36 AM   #5
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Captain America is a Democrat of the 1940s. That doesn't mean that he is a Democrat today. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat in the 1940s.
Yes, a New Deal Democrat which yes Regan was one and so was Orson Welles. It was the party to be with at the time. But it is not today's Democratic Party. Their foreign policy was much more hawkish, they were more restrictive on immigration as they favored the white working class, rather neutral on civil rights. They increased taxes, created government work programs, social security, farm subsidies, cartelization of businesses who can set prices and wages, favored labor unions. The coalition was formed of pro-labor Southern Jacksonian Democrats and Northern ex-republican progressives.

Really the whole point of the New Deal was to create a safety net for Americans, that government is here for you, to look out for you and to save capitalism from itself as FDR tried to put it. Since before it was never seen as government's role to intervene in the economy at all... at least not to this scale. And Whedon was originally going to have a scene in Avengers with Cap talking about this loss of a safety net to Americans but cut it.

Now is Cap 100% on all what I described? I would say no, for example the cartelization or corporatism of businesses. Under the National Recovery Act where big companies of the same product could set prices and wages (let's use McDonalds & Burger King for example could say you have to charge $3 for a double cheeseburger, no more no less because that is unfair). This hurt small businesses of the same trade who could not compete and could only afford to pay their employee less and often this caused jail time for small business owners. This system was also used in Italy & Germany at the time. The NRA was struck down by the courts. But overall, this act hurt the little guy and Cap is all for the little guy.
In addition, I don't see Cap being neutral on civil rights, but being more well.. liberal. Which probably makes him something of a Truman Democrat. But Cap certainly ain't no Henry Wallace.

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Old 01-24-2016, 08:08 AM   #6
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But he would probably be pro-freedoms and civil liberties such as, pro gay marriage, pro-choice, pro legalization of marijuana. Allowing the individual the right to decide how to live their own lives as long as they aren't hurting others. - "left-wing"

It doesn't matter if you're pro-life or anti-life, abortion does hurt individuals. It is killing, pure and simple. Before you say: "you only say that because you're a Christian"...that's not entirely true. I was skeptical when it came to abortion when I was a socialist, and became a pro-lifer as an atheist. So the pro-life view came before my conversion.

Why is it okay to rip a person to pieces when it's inside of the womb, but not when he or she is outside of it? It's the same person. Why is it wrong to punch a pregnant woman in the stomach so that the child dies, but at the same time a woman can remove the child herself? Is it up to the mother to decide the child's worth? Society?

I know a lot of anti-lifers who admit that it's killing. "It is murder, but sometimes necessary", they say. "It's either the mother or the child...self defense". You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. I've also seen some of them who supports infanticide, the killing of newborn babies or children up to 1 years old.

I don't agree, but I think all people who support abortion, eugenics and stuff should be honest.

But to answer the question in the thread: Captain America's politics depends on the writer. I think comics in general should be apolitical. We don't need to see Bruce Wayne campaigning for the legalization of drugs, or Superman high-fiving Ronald Reagan. It's not interesting, just distracting...I'd rather see my heroes fight the Joker and Lex Luthor.

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Cap's compassionate idealism is a defining characteristic of Cap's. His stance on small or big government, whatever it is, I'm guessing it doesn't trump his idealism. I'd wager he's a liberal.

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It doesn't matter if you're pro-life or anti-life, abortion does hurt individuals. It is killing, pure and simple. Before you say: "you only say that because you're a Christian"...that's not entirely true. I was skeptical when it came to abortion when I was a socialist, and became a pro-lifer as an atheist. So the pro-life view came before my conversion.

Why is it okay to rip a person to pieces when it's inside of the womb, but not when he or she is outside of it? It's the same person. Why is it wrong to punch a pregnant woman in the stomach so that the child dies, but at the same time a woman can remove the child herself? Is it up to the mother to decide the child's worth? Society?

I know a lot of anti-lifers who admit that it's killing. "It is murder, but sometimes necessary", they say. "It's either the mother or the child...self defense". You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. I've also seen some of them who supports infanticide, the killing of newborn babies or children up to 1 years old.

I don't agree, but I think all people who support abortion, eugenics and stuff should be honest.

But to answer the question in the thread: Captain America's politics depends on the writer. I think comics in general should be apolitical. We don't need to see Bruce Wayne campaigning for the legalization of drugs, or Superman high-fiving Ronald Reagan. It's not interesting, just distracting...I'd rather see my heroes fight the Joker and Lex Luthor.
Comic books like like most literature have always expressed social and political views of the time. As much comics are fantasy it would be very difficult for writers to simply ignore what is going on in the real world around them and not reflect that in their work. The characters risk becoming irrelevant if they don't keep up with times we live in.

On ABC's Captain America 75th anniversary special they talked about what a huge political statement the first cover of Captain America was. Cap punching Hitler before the U.S was involved in WW2 was a big controversial political statement. Assaulting a real a foreign head of state. The American Nazi league was protesting outside Timely comics offices and sending Cap's Jewish creators Joe Simon and Jack Kirby threatening mail.

Cap is probably pro-gay marriage given the whole storyline about his gay childhood friend and fellow WW2 vet Arnie Roth.

I imagine he is fine with taxes as long as they aren't unjust. Cap is a child of immigrants so is most likely in favor of them being treated humanely and with dignity. He probably wouldn't like the kind of rhetoric and xenophobia spouted by the likes of Trump at the moment.

Not to turn this into abortion thread but I think most of us who are pro-abortion are being realistic and pragmatic. Abortion has always existed and always will. When it was illegal you had the horrors of back street abortion clinics. It is far safer and humane to have it legally in the hands of trained medical professionals than to go back to the awful conditions it was when abortion was underground. There is some horrific self abortion practices that take place in third world countries that mostly result in the death of the woman and her fetus.

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