Should the Invaders be in this movie?

[cerealkiller182]

Originally Posted by Jerkofwonder

But Union Jack started in WWI. =P

Thematically, it makes a much more compelling statement..

[Gamma Goliath]

the invaders should be mentioned

Originally Posted by Gamma Goliath

the invaders should be mentioned

+1
Yes mentioned and scene. Probably as a set up to a sequel? There a whole lot of cool WWII action we should be able to feast on. I would also like for them to put in actor that reminds us of those days,i.e Erenst Borghnine, to name just one.

[bubbadoom]

I would save them for a sequel.

Cap should NOT be frozen at the end of this movie, he should be frozen in the prologue of the AVENGERS movie. The Cap movie should end with him an established hero and the door wide open for more sequels.

[Chewy]

Last summer I talked to Marvel Studio's Kevin Feige, and he told me that The Invaders would appear in Captain America. In the original comics The Invaders were a WWII superteam that counted Captain America and Bucky amongst its members. In the movie universe it looks like The Invaders will be a European team that works alongside Cap. The question at the time was would The Invaders just be a cameo or would they have a real part to play in the movie?

Yesterday I talked with The First Avenger: Captain America director Joe Johnston at the press day for The Wolfman, and he revealed to me that The Invaders were going to be a major presence in the film. 'They'll be in the entire second half,' he said.

That's a lot of screen time that Cap will be sharing. Johnston also told me that The Invaders will be six members strong, so if you add Bucky and the Red Skull The First Avenger: Captain America might very well feature nine costumed characters, surely some kind of a record outside of a straight up team franchise like X-Men.

Earlier during the press conference Johnston had said that his Captain America would be played (hopefully) by a newcomer and that he would surrounded by name actors. Could The Invaders be roles for better known actors? The European team is definitely included as a way to sell a movie with Captain America overseas (Feige said as much at Comic Con), so why not throw some name actors in there?

Who will be on The Invaders? Johnston wouldn't say, but here are some possibilities, based on the comics:

The Human Torch. No, not that one. The original Human Torch was an android who appeared in Marvel Comics #1 in 1939. At Comic Con Feige confirmed that while Fox owned the Johnny Storm Human Torch from Fantastic Four, Marvel Studios retained the android Torch. And in fact Feige used the android Torch as a way of explaining why the Marvel Universe's WWII is so distinct. Don't be too surprised if the Torch shows up. He had a sidekick named Toro, who had the exact same powers as the Torch. It may be possible that Marvel uses the Toro name to avoid confusion with the Fantastic Four character (and to make the Torch Spanish), but I think it would be great to spit in Fox's eye and use the original Human Torch.

Union Jack. I'd more or less bet money on him being on the team. In the comics, Union Jack is an older adventurer who was active in WWI. He had no superpowers but wore a bulletproof outfit and was exceptionally athletic.

Spitfire. Union Jack's daughter, Spitfire can run at superfast speeds, leaving a trail of fire behind her.

Blazing Skull. A really weird character, Blazing Skull is a guy who trained with Chinese monks and has superhuman strength and can make his tissue - just his skin and muscles! - invisible, leaving the appearance of a walking skeleton. He wears a flaming skull mask. The Blazing Skull was an American in the comics, but could easily be made into a Chinese character. The only downside is that visually he's identical to Ghost Rider.

Silver Scorpion. Another American who could be changed into a European. A woman who is a jiu-jitsu master, Silver Scorpion had a sting-ray built into her suit. Despite being called the Silver Scorpion she had a yellow costume with a red cape and blue boots. A massive redesign would be needed.

European Defense Initiative. It's also possible that the film will go with a concept floated in The Ultimates, the EDI. Although set in the modern day and not in WWII, EDI is made up of heroes from multiple European countries, with characters like Captain Italy, Captain Spain, etc. To me this would be a cheap and easy cop out, though, and if The Invaders are important in the second half of The First Avenger: Captain America, it would make more sense to create full characters for them rather than simple Captain America knock-offs.

Namor, The Sub-Mariner. Incredibly unlikely, but possible. Fox, holder of the Fantastic Four characters, has Namor, but might that just be the Silver Age version? Namor actually first appeared in Marvel Comics #1, in the same issue as the android Human Torch. He was a founding member of The Invaders (which was actually called The All-Winners Squad back in the 40s), so he really belongs on the team. Of course even if Marvel does own the Golden Age version of Namor (which is essentially exactly the same as the Silver Age version), they may not want to confuse matters by using him in The First Avenger: Captain America while he might yet turn up in a rebooted Fantastic Four or his own film.

Others. There's a whole host of WWII characters that could be used, from The Thin Man - one of the first stretching superheros, beating Plastic Man to the punch - to the Blue Bullet - a Polish Jew. It's possible that the film could dip into this massive, mostly untapped well of characters and really surprise us.

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[shogunrua]

Originally Posted by bubbadoom

I would save them for a sequel.

Cap should NOT be frozen at the end of this movie, he should be frozen in the prologue of the AVENGERS movie. The Cap movie should end with him an established hero and the door wide open for more sequels.

I see your point man, but I think all these movies are a build up to the Avengers movie. So if they have Steve Rogers end the Captain America movie in "not frozen state" and then the same summer starting the Avengers with the Avengers/SHIELD/Aunt May/Mickey find him trapped in ice, the audience will be like "wtf happened ?! The last time we saw him he was ok and now he's frozen ?!"

But yeah I agree with you, it would have be cool to see more of WWII Cap in more than one movie

[bubbadoom]

The prologue to the Avengers can be set in WW2 with Cap being frozen, then shortly after the opening credits he is found - or, like in Avengers #4 we find him frozen and show how he was frozen later in a flashback.

The most important thing is to NOT make the same mistake the Canon CAP movie made - he was frozen as part of his first mission, never giving him the chance to establish himself as a legend of WW2. If they freeze him in the solo movie, at least have it happen near the end of WW2, implying 3 or 4 years of adventures that could be told in future sequels.

[Deaths Head II]

Supposedly modern scenes will be a bookend for this film, so I think the movie will end with him waking up after being frozen.

[bubbadoom]

As far as the possibility of Namor being in this, I always understood that he was NOT part of the Fox/FF package, but rather optioned by Universal some years back. Since they let Marvel have Hulk back, it's possible a deal could be made for Subby, too!

If they can not call the Human Torch by that name, just call him THE TORCH!

[Deaths Head II]

Namor would require far too much backstory to just show up halfway through a Captain America film. He's the kind of Atlantis. You can't just say "Yeah, Atlantis exists, this guy is from it, and now he's fighting with America against the Nazis."

I think it would better to call the Human Torch by his siderkick's name instead. Having them both on the team would be redundant and if the Invaders are supposed to be an international team then Toro could be used as a Spanish hero.

[reta666]

I would love the invvaders to be in the movie, but the real invaders not a group of spies. If they wanted a supporting cast for cap thats not superpowered just put Fury and his howling comandos in.

If your put the invaders in dont make toro a spanish hero, why do you have to change the character? Besides toro, torch and namor would be hard to put in. Namor has to be explained, torch and toro have similar powers.....; I really would love it but not at that price.

[Deaths Head II]

Originally Posted by reta666

If your put the invaders in dont make toro a spanish hero, why do you have to change the character?

I'm thinking of fitting it into the mentality of the international cast. Captain America will be a hard sell for the foreign box office.

Alternatively, they could just use Toro and make him Spanish.

[reta666]

Yeah I get it but if you're going to have a british character myabe even 2, its going to be in europe with other international characters I really dont see the point of making another character european just for the sake of it.

[Deaths Head II]

There's no real harm in doing it either. It's not as if the country of origin is vital to most of the American Invaders (aside from Cap and Bucky of course). Seeing as it'll already be a hard sell to have a purely American hero as the lead star, he should at least be one of the only members of the Invaders that's American. If they take it straight from the stories, then most of the Invaders are American and foreign viewers will just see America claiming how awesome they are by having a WWII anti-Nazi super hero team that's 80% American.

[Webhead2006]

well this is an interesting development. I wonder who we will get, and then will they be costumed superpowered folks. Or like some others said just some regular soliders with the code names of these invaders guys. I think this could be a cool aspect to play in the movie. Though it could end up bad like wolverine movie did. So that is why i kinda would like the cap movie to just be cap/bucky/ and the other key guys like the inventor, and any commanding officers from ww2 cap. But one point i could see them doing the invaders is A) to show cap working with a team. So then when he awakens in the present him joining shield/avengers program isnt to odd. B) like the article stated and folks have been saying cap is hard to sell overseas. So if there is an international team of people in the movie. That could help sell the movie in other countries. Plus with them likely going with a lesser/semi know actor for cap. This is where they could put some bigger named stars in.

[cerealkiller182]

I really hope Marvel ends up with Namor rights

[Spider-Fan]

I am torn on this. Could the Invaders work? Sure, but this also has a lot of potential to backfire and take focus away from Cap. Especially if they are this many members strong.

I love everything else I have heard about the film from JJ, but this is one I think can be a bad idea. It also kind of says to me Marvel may feel Cap may not be enough from an action perspective alone, so we need to shoe horn the Invaders into this.

I am very optimistic about this film and I think JJ has a great mindset and great ideas for Cap. But, if there is one thing I think could bog the movie down from what we've heard, this is it.

[Deaths Head II]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I am torn on this. Could the Invaders work? Sure, but this also has a lot of potential to backfire and take focus away from Cap. Especially if they are this many members strong.

I don't think they're each going to be major players. I think they'll mostly be soldiers with costumes that Cap meets. I wouldn't be surprised if the Invaders are like the Transformers in the Transformers films with one or two real standout memorable members (probably Union Jack and one other character) while the rest have a few lines each and exist mostly to make huge action scenes.

I love everything else I have heard about the film from JJ, but this is one I think can be a bad idea. It also kind of says to me Marvel may feel Cap may not be enough from an action perspective alone, so we need to shoe horn the Invaders into this.

I don't think it has to do with the action perspective but with the foreign market perspective. They probably want a team of international heroes so the film looks more appealing then just a film about Captain America, the hero representing the country that is oh so popular around the world at the moment.

[Webhead2006]

yea its a fun thing to play with but they are on a thin line either it could work and be a team like the xmen or it could backfire and be like how wolverine prequel movie was for weapon x program.

[TheVileOne]

If they can do something better than what ended up in Wolverine, I say go for it.

However, there's no way they get away with having the Invaders version of Human Torch.

[Webhead2006]

yea the robot torch is probably not going to happen. probably will be cap, bucky, union jack, and one other.

[FaT_tONle]

This speculative but very plausible scenario:

The Costume

Johnston tells the LA Times that Cap will have two costumes in the movie. The first will be the very familiar version of his togs, which he'll wear in the USO show. Once he goes AWOL he'll discover that his persona makes him an effective leader of men, so he dons a modified, combat-ready version of the costume.

It's most likely that the new costume will look a lot like what Captain America wore in the WWII issue of The Ultimates, complete with armor and a helmet. I like this idea because it simply makes sense - sending a guy out in a gaudy costume to a war zone is essentially asking for him to be shot immediately. That bright blue outfit makes Cap a complete target and utterly undermines his operational capability in a real life combat situation.

basically tells me we are not going to get a bunch of X-Men in brightly colored costumes. They may have enhanced abilities. But there is no way I can see a guy who just bursts in flames at some point. Then again, not all of them can be on the juice because that takes away from Cap's uniqueness and the super soldier serum itself. I am thinking we are just going to get a special ops team, most unrealistic scenario, they have a few unrealistic gadgets for the time and a few implausible abilities (hopefully not something like Wanted where people are flying across buildings and bending bullets), but they'll be quite normal people.

[Deaths Head II]

Originally Posted by Webhead2006

yea the robot torch is probably not going to happen. probably will be cap, bucky, union jack, and one other.

They said 6 members, though we don't know if that includes Cap and Bucky.

Union Jack is the most obvious choice, but the remaining members probably won't be either Human Torch and definitely not Namor (it would be like introducing Thor halfway through Iron Man 2). I'm guessing Silver Scorpion, Blue Bullet and Spitfire are the most likely after UJ.

[Webhead2006]

i posted that prior to seeing the post of 6 members. info. Though yea likely will be:
1. captain america
2. Bucky
3. Union jack
4, 5, 6 no clue i dont know enough on invaders.

[BETArayBill]

Anybody thinking they might put in the black panter as one of the invaders to make the team more international and then you could intoduce the modern panther in the avengers. On I side note yes I know black panther was not in the invaders.