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Old 03-15-2009, 05:16 PM   #26
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So, what you're saying is that they might as well hire Michael Bay right on the spot to make some crap-ass 'Transformers' clone. I think I'll have enough big, giant robots in one year, thank you
Well it would def be crap if they wanted to copy crap. Transformers is extremely overrated

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Old 03-15-2009, 05:22 PM   #27
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:06 PM   #28
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So, what you're saying is that they might as well hire Michael Bay right on the spot to make some crap-ass 'Transformers' clone. I think I'll have enough big, giant robots in one year, thank you

Whoa whoa... I'm certainly no Transformers fan. I thought the movie was dumb fluff with jittery and poorly structured action sequences. All I was referencing was the box office. Transformers could've been awesome. All I'm saying is that using Ultron correctly (coupled with the excellence that already is the Iron Man franchise) would spell a sure fire hit.

Little green men invading earth would turn critics and general audiences off faster then you would think. It would be the opposite of what made Iron Man click.

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Old 03-16-2009, 03:09 AM   #29
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plus, aliens seems like... well, it doesn't fit in what they're doing so far. sure, iron men and big green guys (and a potential nordic god) but aliens? don't think so

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I would like to see the back-story for the Avengers Initiative be that SHIELD has been monitoring a variety of "unconventional" threats. They are the Marvel-movie-verse's version of the X-Files, investigating matters concerning, radical new technology, exo-biology (aliens), crypto-zology (bizarre species, such as Atlanteans, Wendigo, subterraneans), paranormal phenomena, occult, metaphysics (the nature of reality and dimensional space), extra-toponymy (strange geographic places, ala Wakanda, Wundagore Mt., etc...).

Prior to the Avengers movie timeline, SHILED is already monitoring a number of mounting threats. A decision is made to initiate a program to "assemble" a team special trained and equipped to respond to these threats (Hawkeye and Black Widow could be present in the background as supporting characters at first)... AND there are efforts to launch extensive research into strange new areas of science.

Then, when some enhanced beings start showing up (IM, TIH, Thor, Captain America films), a recruitment effort is initiated. Stark is contacted (in IM)... then Gen. Ross is contacted for his assessment of Banner (TIH... Does he have control??? Can he be brought in as an asset??? Or should he be listed on the threat list???)... Thor is discovered and contacted (Thor)... Then also prior to the Avengers movie timeline, Pym works for SHIELD as a chief scientist and makes his discovery of Pym particles. He is already capable of shrinking, and is now perfecting the suit so that he may actually go into the field with some measure of control. Janet can be "pre-powered" or it could happen in the Avengers film.

Additionally, I would like the timeline of the films be tweaked so that Cap actually gets thawed before the events of IM, and is curentl with SHIELD undergoing rehab, and training after decades on ice (all culminated at the end of the Cap film).

The movie deals with bringing the team together to talk about the "special response nature" of the team (to address a special category of global threats). The threat in question is a particular former Nazi nona-generian (RedSkull) who escaped to South America after WWII. He has a private army of mercenaries armed with next level tech weapons (produced by AIM scientists) and some supporting bad guys like Cross Bones. This army has made remarkable fortunes arming and fighting for all sides in the many drug wars and revolutions / guerilla wars that have been going on in S. America for decades. Now a new break through is about to unfold... The AIM scientists are constructing a strange new energy source they are calling the cosmic cube. It is composed of the very cosmic forces that make up matter and energy, particularly the life force of Earth. This old Nazi uses the cube to empower and revitalize himself... and a new plan begins to emerge... Invade America and overthrow Washington DC. The world will be his.

SHIELD does send the Avengers on there first mission to destroy the Cosmic Cube production facility (they have intel on its operation)... but they fail. Red Skull shows up in DC and holds the capitol hostage (including the president and most of congress). The Avengers have to work to defeat the bad guys while keeping hostages (such as the president) from being axed.

Some side bars that could be really great, would be that Skull's forces infiltrate the Pentagon and free Abomination from his containment (he can eventually escapes and would be available for future films).


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red skull
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hydra
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who best fits the movieverse?

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Old 03-24-2009, 09:39 PM   #32
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So, what you're saying is that they might as well hire Michael Bay right on the spot to make some crap-ass 'Transformers' clone. I think I'll have enough big, giant robots in one year, thank you
^to say that this is narrowminded would be putting it very mildly.

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Old 03-24-2009, 11:47 PM   #33
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red skull
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ultron

who best fits the movieverse?
Anyone of them would fit... The question is, fit the turn of events??? I am in the camp that feels it is too early for Ultron. There is a lot more backstory needed there. AIM or Hydra as terrorist organizations would be very adaptable due to today's real world terrorism issues, and that kind of global threat could lend itself to the need to form a superpowered team.

I am iffy about Zemo and Skull. I would really prefer to see one or the other (two WWII Nazi bad guys, may seem too much). Either character could go the route of the Cosmic Cube or the Masters of Evil...

But like in my post above... I favor Skull with a provate army composed of AIM agents and technology... and the Cosmic Cube on the horizon.


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Old 03-25-2009, 12:16 AM   #34
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now whenever I play FALLOUT 3's last level, I picture Ultron..

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I would make it like my fan trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnbSoAdcCp8

Captain America gets found in the ice after The First Avenger: Captain America and finds out his old enemy the Red Skull is at large and planning something big. Nick Fury recruits him to the Avengers because he has experience with fighting the Red Skull. Him and the rest of the team proceed to beat stuff up.

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^ that was pretty cool

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Old 03-25-2009, 07:05 AM   #37
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If I were putting together the script I would try to avoid any fantastical elements beyond Thor by excluding alien invasions or cosmic powers I think.

I would incorporate morals and ethics into the reason behind needing a superpowered team. Start out the movie with SHIELD as a global peacekeeping force and intelligence organisation with UN backing and oversight. Fury heads it as public director because he has proven during his time with the marines, army, CIA and WW2 military that he is one of those officers who fights for the right reasons and isnt one of those Generals who would always have US interests at heart. Nick's a world kinda guy kinda like Cap.

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As Rich Santoro said, SHIELD could have been monitoring various unsubstantiated events across the world, but merely tracks them at present because, well, they're unsubstantiated. A small division of SHIELD is assigned to this as a sort of futurist research group hoping to advance humanity and civilisation through using SHIELD resources and networks to study seemingly superhuman or fantastic phenomenon. Research into genetic modification of human beings is strictly prohibited in accordance with UN policies, and so the advancement of mankind is slow and semi-natural (allowing for stem cell organ replacement research and the normal drug research to extend our lives by curing or preventing disease and natural breakdown).

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However, those outside of the UN (the terrorist groups, industrial billionaires with few morals in places of high influence, megalomaniac rulers etc) aren't hindered by these policies and so have managed to make some great leaps in developing their own supersoldiers, bioweapons etc. SHIELD of course strives to take out these people and prevent their creations being used. But with the sudden increase in open activity of one of the major 'evil' organisations (Hydra), SHIELD simply cannot hold back the tide any longer. Coinciding with this, a few isolated accidents are beginning to occur around the world (the US in particular) including appearances of the Hulk, the Abomination, Thor, and Iron Man - non government or UN sponsored, accidental creations of superhumans.

THE GIST
In the movie, one incident involving the Hulk up in the arctic results in the discovery of Captain America's body in the ice. This incident could either another botched capture attempt by the US army, or an attack on the meditating Bruce Banner by Hydra agents trying to grab him and manipulate the Hulk to work for them as a WMD (The abomination being incarcerated somewhere they just can't get to to use him instead). Nick Fury recognises Cap from back in WW2 when he was simply part of the Howling Commandos, and knows from what he's learned throughout his career that Cap represents THE last example of government researched and sponsored human enhancement. The timings could not be better, and Nick sees recent events as a sign to put together a team of heroes who weren't drafted, weren't experimented on and have no loyalties to any particular government (therefore making them less succeptible to being coerced by their own governments to disobey SHIELD orders etc). These heroes exist within the terms of the UN genetic modification accord, but possess the power to stop Hydra and its supersoldiers and whatnot.
During the course of the film, amongst betrayal from within (a prominent member of the UN council that oversees the team above Fury), there's the revelation that the known head of Hydra (Strucker) is actually one of a council of leaders and that their overall leader is the Red Skull who has not been seen since the War but has manipulated events around the world for decades. Further, the Skull has been putting together his own team that are powerful beyond Hydra's genetic efforts - the Masters of Evil! Members to be decided and whose purpose is to overthrow DC in decisive fashion.


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Brought in as specialist human SHIELD agents to reintegrate Cap to society and bring him up to speed on SHIELD protocols/procedures etc, and to train the Avengers as a team (BW could have been recruited by the end of Iron Man 2).

HANK PYM AND JANET VAN DYNE
Head of the X-filesey group, is in charge of the riviving of Cap. His fiance Jan is present and has clearance as liason for her father's company that provides funding for some of the research Hank has been carrying out in the field of inorganic shrinking for a whole host of applications. He's discovered Pym Particles (mentioned maybe by Stark when he meets Hank for the first time before Cap's revival) but so far they have proven unstable in testing. In the classic Ultimates Cap disorientation scene, the ensuing fight between Cap, Hank, and a bunch of soldiers on scene results in Hank and Jan being thrown through the cavity wall separating two of his labs and their exposure to a huge dose of Pym particles and an "as-yet-unnamed-catalyst". This stabilises the particles and causes both of them to experience size changes: Hank's initially only growth when he gets frantic when Jan appears to have disappeared in the explosion, and Jan's in shrinking in response to the explosion in an attempt to protect herself.

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Excellent synopsis... The idea of a UN genetic manipulation accord (set up by Strucker) is really good. This way they can manipulate the world to be restrained, while they secretly go all out.

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Old 03-25-2009, 01:17 PM   #39
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If Only Fox didn't suck, Avenegers would be the perfect film to redeem VICTOR VON DOOM! Imagine Marvel starting over from scratch with the movie Doom and make him a worthy villian. He and Red Skull could team up and well... this can't happen cuz Fox.

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Please, NO Skrulls or alien invasions. That would be death for the film.

Maybe Ultron (loosely based on the Ultron Unlimited storyline?) could be the threat? It would be a good way to introduce Hank and Jan since they will be the only new characters not seen in a previous film. Ultron/artificial AI running amok would draw Tony Stark's attention. Hulk could be drawn in to the conflict and even lose control like the end of the animated Ultimate Avengers feature.

Plus, Avengers smashing robots would look great and appeal to the PG-13 violence quotient... no blood. The box office would love an Iron Man meets Transformers type film.

I thought the same thing it explains hank and jan I wouldn't have hulk sorry he's not really avengers for me. Unless they go looking for ultron stumble on hulk and all get their asses handed to them. Thats when Fury is like we need a field leader then they get the call about cap being found in the ice...Bam Avengers Assemble baby!

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I could see Ultron if the plot is that he was created prior than the Avengers film, and is at large. We can be introduced to the backstory in the film itself through a briefing by Fury and some dialogue scenes from Pym (with flashback footage). Then as the team is coming together, things escalate with Ultron... and bam.

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Screw alien invasions. That's for the Justice League. There needs to be a really good reason other than that for an entire team of superbeings to come together, and I can't think of a single "supervillain" that's a good enough reason by themselves. The Hulk and his control issues definitely needs to play a key role without taking over the plot, as does Captain America's re-emergence in modern times, and Thor's mystical relevance. But if SHIELD is indeed behind the formation of The Avengers, I really think it's got to be HYDRA that's the threat. I'd make the movie mostly about a growing HYDRA threat to the world that is palpable, and the formation of this group of incredibly complex, perhaps less-than-entirely trusted individuals, and just let it all loose in the third act. You could sow seeds and build to Ultron, but I don't think you use Ultron in the first film. I think you include a lot of espionage, strategic and technological elements to the first two acts to tie all the characters together, as the minds behind The Avengers slowly start to discover the scale of the threat, and by the end of the movie they realize what they're actually really up against, which is likely some version of Ultron, or a whole whorde of them. An alien threat that comes, in a sense, from within.

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Old 03-25-2009, 07:37 PM   #43
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maybe a mod could add a poll: aliens or aliens-free

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Just spitballing here:

HYDRA is essential for me. A whole army worth of bad guys for our heroes to beat up? Yes please! They would be easy to tie into pretty much any storyline.

The cosmic cube would make a cool MacGuffin (especially if Red Skull is involved) IF Transformers hadn't already done it, and it pretty well sucked in that movie. So that's just plain out.

It would be cool to bring back Red Skull somehow, but I think I'd rather see the Avengers movie have it's own villain rather than rehashing the baddies from the solo movies.

That's all I got for right now.

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I need a supervillain or supervillains in an Avengers not just an Army of bad guys with some devious plan. I want something fantastical like the cosmic cube too.

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Here is one from left field... any thoughts on bringing in the High Evolutionary, with his own army of mutates and hi-tech weapons and gear???

Down the road... I hope that they work some existing villains back into the plots (for A2, CA2, TIH2). I hate it when villains all die at the end of the films. I thought it very cool that Abom was left alive, and that the Leader was hinted on. It makes the movie-verse seem much larger.


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What about a hint right at the very end that someone working for S.H.I.E.L.D isn't who they appear to be? Leading up to a S.I type scenario in the 2nd Avengers movie and the following solo movies? I know S.I isn't that popular, but I feel adding that dynamic of distrust into a newly formed team, a team that has had it's first success in the first movie, could be quite interesting. They have all finally showed strength as a team at the end after maybe not getting along straight away during the course of the film, then another seed of doubt is placed.

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I have to say, an idea that I had for the Avengers, was to culminate with Cap using Mjolnir (sp?) to destroy the cosmic cube. It would already have been established that only Thor or one who is worthy can wield it, and we even see Hulk fail.

Then in the midst of a fight... Thor drops the hammer, and Cap scoops it up after Pym snuck on the Red Skull's person, to grab the cube and separate them... The cube falls, and Cap smashes it with Mjolnir. Thor looks on with amazement, and sees that the cosmos has revealed to him where he should serve. It is a moment to helps solidify the team, which would still not be completely cohesive throughout the film (Cap coming through as the natural leader, Thor being a god and all not willing to take orders from mortals, Stark's big ego, Pym's little ego). But this final scene seals the deal.

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No aliens.

Inject some of the political/international intruige Millar used in Ultimates.

This is a big chance to do something more than just a bunch of super heroes teaming up to fight aliens or villains.

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Avoid the idea of the Superhuman Registration Act.

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