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Old 03-14-2009, 05:31 AM   #1
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Where will the story go? What will happen to Peter and MJ? What kind of dangers will Spider-Man face? What do you want to see?

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Old 03-14-2009, 09:16 PM   #2
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For Peter and MJ, I think they should take a break from each other. I don't think they should get married, not after considering what happened in SM3.

The next villain should be the Lizard/Kraven. Lizard would be created by Doctor Connors testing Lizard DNA and using the DNA to regrow his arm. Kraven could just be a hunter who wants attention/fame, or hunt the Lizard for the fun/thrill/pride.

I want to see more Spider-Man and more actions, like the train scene in SM2, the end fight with GG, and the fight on the truck with Sandman. I know Raimi can do it, but it seems like he's more into the drama between Peter and MJ. I honestly think that the relationship between them should be toned down. I also want to see Captain Stacy more involved with the crimes involved in NY.

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Old 03-14-2009, 09:25 PM   #3
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I like to see a 30+ years old Parker--no whiny teen

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Old 03-28-2009, 12:38 AM   #4
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Here's what I'd like to see:

Peter finally graduates college and becomes one of Dr. Connors lab assistants. However,Peter and MJ are still putting their relationship back on firm footing and mourning the death of Harry. The criminals of the city have been taking a beating because of Spidey's interference and decide to strike back,creating a super villain known as the Scorpion,to deal with Spider-man. Aunt May is suffering from health problems and Peter is very scared of losing her,and paying off her medical bills,as well. He hopes that the new experiments conducted by Dr. Connors will bring some money into the project and,in turn,help him to pay his Aunt's hospital stay. However,during the experiment,Connors decides that he must try out his new formula...on himself. He will soon be turned into the vicious Lizard.
So,not only will Spidey will have to fight(and save)his friend and mentor,Dr. Connors,but he must also deal with Scorpion,his relationship with MJ and his Aunt's failing health.
I would say that by the end of the film Connors is saved,Scorpion goes to jail and May dies,but Peter finally gets up the nerve to ask MJ to marry him.

Of course,this is just an idea I have. Another would involve the Lizard and Carnage. I think Spider-man has SO many stories to follow,but I think the Lizard should be involved,no doubt.

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Old 03-28-2009, 10:00 AM   #5
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I could see some scientist creating animal themed villains (similar to SSM with Norman making villains for Big Man) and possibly setting up Sinister Six. Or you can have Kraven and adapt Last Hunt

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I want to see a real partnership between Peter & MJ. First movie he couldn't bring himself to approach her, second he couldn't be honest with her, third he couldn't be there for her. This time I want them to be truly connected & weather the storm as a unit.

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^That's true! Never thought about that.

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MJ needs to grow as a character. I'm tired of her running to another guy at the first sign of trouble.

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I agree with you all. I'd love to see Mary Jane and Peter be there for each other like in the comics. They are a team and both in love with each other. And no more of MJ running into another guy's arms or getting kidnapped and screaming...again.
If Spidey needs to rescue someone at the end,how about the entire city not just a single person?

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Old 04-06-2009, 12:09 PM   #10
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^Yes! I prefer that!

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I agree with you all. I'd love to see Mary Jane and Peter be there for each other like in the comics. They are a team and both in love with each other. And no more of MJ running into another guy's arms or getting kidnapped and screaming...again.
If Spidey needs to rescue someone at the end,how about the entire city not just a single person?
We don't always agree, you & me. But here I'm with you 100%.
Of course, if you think about it, my suggestion would beget yours. Full partnership=no running into some guy's arms AND less opportunity to get kidnapped.

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1. MJ needs to be written as a stronger character, not just "the love interest."
2. JJJ needs to be a "villain." Maybe he sees Peter and MJ as a couple and he resents that she falls for Pete after humiliating his son. He also wants to know more about Peter's connection to Spider-Man.

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I've been wondering why he didn't do that anyway. My son gets stood up at the alter for you & you work for me? Oh, your life is going to be hell!
Reminds me of something from the SM1 novel; it turned out that the reason why MJ bombed at the audition is b/c the casting director was Flash Thompson's aunt. It was her revenge for dumping him on grad day.

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2. JJJ needs to be a "villain." Maybe he sees Peter and MJ as a couple and he resents that she falls for Pete after humiliating his son. He also wants to know more about Peter's connection to Spider-Man.
if it means more screentime for J. K. Simmons, then YEAH

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And yes, let's not have MJ get kidnapped.

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or at least play with the idea, like she's about to ged kidnapped. or one villain suggests the idea, and the other (or anyone) says no, that's been done before


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That would only be plausible (IMO) if the villain and the other person know that Peter's Spider-Man.

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2. JJJ needs to be a "villain." Maybe he sees Peter and MJ as a couple and he resents that she falls for Pete after humiliating his son. He also wants to know more about Peter's connection to Spider-Man.
I thought that was gonna happen for Spidey 3. Like,J.J. gives Brock the photographer's job over Peter because of what happened with MJ and his son.
Another opportunity...wasted.

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Agreed... but how?

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For Peter and MJ, I think they should take a break from each other. I don't think they should get married, not after considering what happened in SM3.

The next villain should be the Lizard/Kraven. Lizard would be created by Doctor Connors testing Lizard DNA and using the DNA to regrow his arm. Kraven could just be a hunter who wants attention/fame, or hunt the Lizard for the fun/thrill/pride.

I want to see more Spider-Man and more actions, like the train scene in SM2, the end fight with GG, and the fight on the truck with Sandman. I know Raimi can do it, but it seems like he's more into the drama between Peter and MJ. I honestly think that the relationship between them should be toned down. I also want to see Captain Stacy more involved with the crimes involved in NY.
... Defo, get rid of MJ for at least one sequel... think of all the extra time we could get for some decent action.

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I like to see a 30+ years old Parker--no whiny teen
Is Raimi daring enough to do this... I don't think so...

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or at least play with the idea, like she's about to ged kidnapped. or one villain suggests the idea, and the other (or anyone) says no, that's been done before

that would be pretty funny. If not MJ but someone who is very important to Peter should get kidnapped

Maybe JJJ.

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I also want MJ to have a more realistic view of being Spider-Man's girl. She needs to understand that she can't always come first. You can't cry "I'm lonely! You're not there for me!" to a guy who's out defending the city. He won't always have time to hold your hand & nurse your bruised ego, and it's extremely selfish to begrudge him for that.

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If Kraven is the villain, I'd like this to be a repeat encounter for him with Spider-Man. I want to see him obsessed with beating Spidey after numerous defeats. Thats something thats missing when a hero battles a villain on screen: its always their first (and usually last) meeting. Thats what I miss about the comic book chemistry, they know each other so well and are thoroughly sick of each other.

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First, Peter & MJ. Sam in my opinion has ruin these two… not to the point they can’t be fixed; but, he has to do 180° from what he has established. With that said, and since we are not talking about a teenage Peter & MJ; but, a much older and supposedly mature young adult… I say let them act that way. Get away from the drab and let the two be fun-loving young adults. Peter is doing fairly well financially because of the Bugle’s demand for ever more photos of Spiderman. MJ is doing well because she lands a supporting role on a favorite soap; allowing her to become the MJ from the comics… smart, witty, sensual, fun, and secure in her friendship with Peter.

Yes, friendship! They have to start over on the right foot this time, with no grand expectations, allowing both to maybe flirt with other supporting characters to be introduce and still harboring feeling and being flirtatious with one another. Simultaneously removing the “it’s about a girl” angle a little, and removing the idea of MJ consistently being threaten(kidnapped). Quite frankly, it’s time to let MJ move on somewhat and live her life.

As for the alter-ego, Spiderman… get a comedic coach in there, to work with Tobey, on how to deliver arrogant and witty quips; so we can start enjoying some of the personality of Spiderman a lot more. Sam needs to incorporate a few narrations from Tobey during scenes where Spidey is just swinging throughout the city or perched on the corner atop a building, architecture, or steeple.

Now, as for the villains… I’ve mention Lizard, Kraven, Carnage, and Kingsley… so bare with me, I’m not sure I can do justice with how I envision this. There are two stories going on here… the threat now and the threat of the future. The story does get a little dark, as there are some killings; but nothing requiring a R-rating, because we know Sony is not going for that. However, the killings are highly implied, as suggested in Spider-Man 2 hospital scene.

First the future threat and side plot. I would open with Spidey narrating about Harry’s death and him & MJ friendship and their new outlook on life; as he is chasing down three “professional criminals”… one who may one day become a villain. In the middle of his narration, we hear in the background of breaking news of two inmates escaping while being transferred to a death row holding facility. The opening scene chase leads to Empire State Univ. Genetics Lab headed by Miles Warren.

In the criminals attempt to escape, needless to say, they knock over experiments, tables, and equipment, trying to escape from Spidey. One thing subtlety knocked over was the vial containing the Symbiote, that has attached itself to one of the criminal‘s jacket… the only one to get away. The other two are nabbed and webbed by Spidey. The other one takes his jacket and mask off and discard it in an alley dumpster, and walk away scot-free.

As we follow the story throughout the film, the audience, with the help of great writing, slowly discover that someone is financing “professionals criminals” in highly classified theft of secrets & technologies from both Qwest & Oscorps Industries, while Oscorps is facing a hostel takeover bid from Rodderick Kingsley. I know Qwest was undone by the Green Goblin, but they still possess highly classified secrets, data, and prototype designs. This is like an intrigue mystery plot that involve Jason Macedale as one of the “professional criminal” and Ned Leeds as an “investigative reporter” following the rash of classified thefts. So the audience is kept guessing who may emerge as the HobGoblin in a possible future film… because all three(Jason, Ned, and Rodderick) are acting very suspicious.

As for the threat now and main plot, we discover three days after the opening events, that ESU have been facing budget cuts for the last two quarters and because Oscorps is not making donations to the university pending the hostel takeover; the research budget will be cut a third without any major progress and/or findings… pressuring Miles and Connors research, which has taken a set back because of the events to the lab three days ago.

Up against time Miles, Connors, assistants Peter, Debra Whitman, makes a promising discover amongst the chaos in the lab. As the others call it a night, an anxious Dr. Connors looks further into this promising result. The next morning, terrifying news is reported of a brutal homicide never before seen in NYC. The same morning, Peter gets word that two ESU student found Dr. Connors collapse on the lab floor. So Pete and Debra rush to see Martha at the hospital as she waits for Curt to be release. She informed the two, he never came home. Of course, Peter at first think nothing of it, other than he collapse because of exhaustion & stress. On the other hand, Warren, back at the lab, suspect something; but not sure what he seeing. Peter runs off to meet with MJ.

That afternoon, Debra catches Pete eating lunch with MJ and inform him that Connors has return to the lab acting strange. Being concern, Pete wants to go with Debra and check on Curt; and MJ, being the MJ we know from the comics, in a flirtatious way, encourage him to go. Remember the are just good, close friends at this point, trying to move on; but still have a thing for each other. Once they get there, Warren pulls the two to the side and suggest that he believe Connors may have tested the experimental serums on himself and explain that maybe the cause of his irrational behavior and blackout. Peter suddenly recognize that Curt’s limb(nub) is longer than normal.

Later, on the evening news, a couple is reported missing, completely vanished. Later that night, Peter get a call from Debra as she explain that Martha called Warren in a hysterical fit, that Curt was act irrationally. Peter rush over to the Connors home, but Curt is gone. Warren and the Police is there when Peter arrive. Martha explained, Curt would not unlock the door as she heard banging, loud noises & screams, and shattered glass. When police kick the door in, he was gone, with a hole in the backyard wall where the window use to be. Warren gather some bloody mucus from the bedding & floor and heads back to the lab… Peter changes into Spidey mode looking for Dr. Connors to no avail.

Two construction workers working in the sewers notice a herd of rats, water bugs, and other creepy-crawly things racing away in the same direction. The workers become very concern. They hear something that alerts them. One see a strange and huge shadow approaching and scrambles out the sewer; the other follow behind but is grab by the leg and yanked down… disappears. Stacy is at the scene with NY Finest as the worker explains what happen. Word filter on the dispatch that the other worker has been found… alive. Stacy rush to where the worker was found. He is covered with mucus and saliva; but, virtually unharmed and in shock.

As the police wrap up it the investigation, dispatcher report a group of girls had been reported brutally killed with one remarkably survives. Concern, Stacy put the force on notice to patrol the city. The following morning, reports start circulating around the bugle that the bodies of the missing couple has been found butchered. NYC is now living in fear.

Later that night, some gang members reported seeing something at a high-rise apartment complex. Minutes later, 911 is blowing up with calls at the 911 hotline center. Many police are dispatched to the scene. Spidey not knowing what’s up, follow the flood of sirens to the scene… when he run smack into the Lizard, while the flood of sirens continue on up Broadway to some designated location. Spidey is in a big battle scene with the Lizard and get some un-focus pictures.

Three people witness the battle and are stunned, but not sure what they are seeing given how quickly the event transpired… one being investigative reporter, Ned Leeds, who happen to be at that spot investigating a lead at an old Oscorps warehouse. Spidey takes a bad beating and Lizard is too fast and strong. A good whip of the tail and Lizard gets away. Spidey is left bruised and torn.

The next morning, reports is all over about Spidey battling an alleged Lizard-Man, as Jameson and Co. does their naming bit… Lizard-Man, Man-Lizard, the Reptilian, Geico, Crocodile Dun-Dee; before settling on the Lizard. The Bugle also report on another victim found at the location the police was dispatched to... the high-rise apartment complex. Other than the two alleged witnesses and Ned, no one has seen this beast and the three witnesses are still not sure exactly what they saw. MJ goes to see how Peter is doing after hearing of his battle with this alleged giant Lizard. Peter tells MJ he wonders why the Lizard didn’t shred him to pieces like his other victims. MJ suggest things are not always what they appear to be.

Of course reports catches Sergei attention, and he’s heading to NYC to capture both this alleged giant Lizard & Spiderman. Pete, after getting chastise by Jameson for his useless, out of focus pictures of something & Spidey’s battle, leaves and go visits Aunt May. Meanwhile, Jameson ask Ned what was he doing at Oscorps warehouse? NYC is living in more fear because of the this alleged Lizard and brutal murders.

At Aunt May’s place, while she is talking and preparing something to eat, Peter examines his pictures closely and then replay the encounter with Lizard in his mind; reached the conclusion that was Dr. Connors somehow, and rush out Aunt May’s apartment while she’s continue talking and preparing something to eat.

Pete inform Warren of his suspension. Warren concur with his own suspensions. Suggesting the serum didn’t take full effect when he first collapse; but could now be full blown. Warren also suggest on animal testing, minor transformation and erratic behavior happens when the animals are in a deep meditated sleep when an enzyme for digestion is activated when the body is at rest. Warren believe the mix of the serum on the enzyme cause the genetic fingerprint of the test animals to slightly mutate; but nothing on the level that Connors is experiencing. He suggest attaining and comparing a sample of Connor’s blood, to blood found in the mucus sample and compare the levels… maybe produce a counter-serum. It would be explain later how Warren had a sample of Connors blood already on hand later.

Peter is on the hunt for Lizard, when out of the blue, he become the hunted… by Kraven. An amazing battle ensues! Spidey is at a loss to who this is and why he is after him. Kraven counters everything Spidey dishes… suddenly his spider-sense tingle, and he just dodges a huge Lion that leaped at him out of nowhere. The lion is just as skilled and cunning. Spiderman spots an opportunity and uses his agility & speed to turn the tables on this Lion and his Master. Setting the two up for a collision upon themselves… Spidey get away amazingly; but again, on the pursuit of the Lizard.

While perched on the side of a six story apartment building, scanning the city, narrating how he must stop Connors before he harms another person, why Lizard didn’t kill him, the sewer worker, and Martha, but kill everyone else, and who the person with the Lion was. Spidey overhears a breaking news report of another frightening sighting in uptown just moments ago and police is in route to that location. Just as Spidey begin to head to that location his spider-sense tingle… it’s the Lion leaping towards Spidey, but really at the Lizard who has creped up behind him. Kraven throws a bolas at Spidey, capturing and hanging him upside down by the ankles with his hands tied, Kraven gives Spidey a sinister grin, than continues on after the Lizard.

As Spidey frees his hands he get a phone call from Warren who believes he’s talking to Peter, saying that he believe the serum will run it’s course. The effects only last a number of days. He said he has been to the coroner to examine some of the bodies… none of them have a trace of the enzyme found in the Lizards mucus or DNA; but have traces of a residue similar to the Symbiote he had stored in the broken vial. Peter tells Warren, he believe Connors may not be responsible for those murders and Warren concur.

Peter lets Warren go and proceed to free himself and go after Kraven and Lizard when we hears another breaking report; “One of the two death-row inmates has been captured at an abandoned warehouse; but, serial killer Cletus Kasady is still at large. The two death-row inmates overpowered a transport detail near the ESU campus days ago en-route to a new facility waiting execution.”

Spidey, now free, quickly find Lizard and Kraven embroil in a tough battle. Lizard is becoming weaken as the serum began to wear and Kraven tranquilize him. Lizard however, is still strong enough to avoid Kraven skillful capture. The combination of Kraven and his skillful companion began to wear on the ever weakening Lizard… as Kraven & the Lion move in to finally subdue Lizard. The table turn against Kraven as Spidey unexpectedly to Kraven, intervenes and tackles the Lion, both falling onto the roof top of an adjacent building. As Kraven moves in on the kill, Spidey wrestles with the Lion and quickly subdue him in a cocoon of webbing.

A weaken Lizard begins to collapse as Kraven moves in for the kill. In slow-motion “Matrix” style, Kraven with two hands on a huge dagger dives at the collapsing Lizard, ready to end the transforming Lizard, as Spiderman in a niche of time, tackles Kraven and the two roll off a roof top and land on a parked car, as the two continue to battles. Kraven’s potion begins to wear off itself and Spidey eventually makes quick work of him hanging him upside-down, commenting, “feel the rush?”

Spidey ask who he is and why he’s after them. Kraven implies that he’s ridding the City of New York of it’s fears. Spidey pleads with Kraven to let the Lizard go, without naming Connors, tells Kraven that the Lizard is a human being with a wife & child; the result of a failed experiment gone wrong, and that the serum is wearing off. Than remembering his struggles with the Symbiote Venom, Spidey ask Kraven’s help in stopping the real perpetrator of the city’s fears, Kasady. Whom Peter believe has the missing Symbiote. Kraven agrees to end his pursuit of the man responsible of becoming the Lizard; but will not agree to end his pursuit of him, Spiderman. Kraven secretly relish the opportunity to observe and make a quick study of Spiderman, and agrees to help him stop this man of so much “Carnage”.

After Spidey releases Kraven’s Lion from his cocoon bondage, Kraven give new commands to his trusted companion to hunt Carnage; as Kraven takes another dose of potion that does not go unnoticed by Spidey. He calls Debra and tells her where she can find Dr. Connors, and take him to Prof. Warren... he will know what to do.

Spidey and Kraven goes after Carnage. Big battle ensues! Carnage is having his way with them. Than the tables turn for the worst… Carnage manage to get his hand on the Lion and badly wounds the animal. Kraven in a brazen rage, goes after Carnage very un-tactical. Carnage delivers a brutal beating of Kraven; counters Spidey’s every move, like second nature… until the police shows up with blazing sirens. Spidey is suddenly reminded how to defeat Carnage and instruct Kraven to blow his dog whistle that’s around his neck. The blast momentarily inhibits Carnage long enough for Kraven to do some major damage and tranquilize Kasady as the Symbiote tries to leap on Spidey.

Spidey capture it in a webbed sack. Kraven torches it. Kraven quickly tends to his falling companion and radio in to his handlers for a pick-up. A helicopter picks him and his wounded comrade up. Kraven shouts out to Spiderman, “we shall see you again”.

Because no one had actually proof that the Lizard exist, it was taken as just a big hoax, urban legend, and Kasady, rightly so, was blamed for all of the brutal mutilations. He is a serial killer after all; so the public welcomes the idea it was him and not some mythical beast hiding in the shadows. Everything is back to normal.

A cliffhanger shows Rodderick toasting his successful acquisition of Oscorps. As the glasses are raised, we see a pumpkin bomb hurling towards a warehouse. Explosion!

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