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Old 03-15-2009, 01:03 AM   #1
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I know there is a few threads of this on IMDB, and me being (I'm pretty sure) first guy to bring it up, I thought I should bring the conversation here.
Tony Stark is an engineering genius, Bruce Banner got radiated by Gamma Rays, Henry Pym invented a suit that shrinks him down to the size of an ant, and Steve Rogers is a man who signed up for the Super Soldier program. They all have something to do with science.

Thor on the other hand is an immortal with a giant hammer, long blonde hair, and is a norse god. How is that going to adapt well on-screen with all the other characters? Unless they pull a lot of creative licenses on him, making the only thing similar to the comic book Thor is the name.

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Old 03-15-2009, 01:17 AM   #2
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1) That's part of the fun. A group of seemingly unrelated superheroes united to save the earth from threats that are too great for any one hero to handle.

2) Read The Ultimates. That's a very conceivable way of incorporating Thor into The Avengers storyline. The best way IMHO.

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Old 03-15-2009, 01:21 AM   #3
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1) That's part of the fun. A group of seemingly unrelated superheroes united to save the earth from threats that are too great for any one hero to handle.

2) Read The Ultimates. That's a very conceivable way of incorporating Thor into The Avengers storyline. The best way IMHO.
It may be okay for comic book readers, but it would seem rather silly for the demographic audience. "I AM THE GOD OF THUNDER!!! I WILL SMASH YOU WITH MY HAMMER!!!"

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Henry Pym invented a suit that shrinks him down to the size of an ant,
Incorrect. He taps in to subatomic particles that actually shrink him down...not any kind of special "suit".

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Old 03-15-2009, 03:42 AM   #5
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You have an issue with dialogue not realism. I personally can't wait to see Thor and Ironman hovering above Cap, staring down the threat, while waiting for him to give his course of action. This is going to be real good if done right .

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Old 03-15-2009, 03:16 PM   #6
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Incorrect. He taps in to subatomic particles that actually shrink him down...not any kind of special "suit".
Oops, still relating to science though.

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Old 03-15-2009, 04:03 PM   #7
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I agree that the Ultimates handled it in a clever way.
Problem is that Thor will already be established as not crazy thanks to his own film. Whatever they do with him will have to work around that.

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Old 03-15-2009, 05:00 PM   #8
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They have said Thor is going to be less realistic than the other films, i mean it has to be when you are dealing with gods. But I dont think that is a bad thing. One reason why the held of on the Mandarin was because they felt it would have been too unrealistic. With Thor coming out I think fans will be more able to accept the more "non realistic" aspects to future films much better.

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Old 03-15-2009, 05:57 PM   #9
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it's always bugged me when they try to make comic book movies "realistic". It's a movie about Super Heroes! There's nothing realistic about that! Quit trying to have everything by science and just tell the original ****ing story!

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Old 03-15-2009, 06:42 PM   #10
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^But most of marvel's popular superheroes are created by science i.e. someone experimenting on themselves or some scientific accident.

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That's cool but it is all fantasy. Marvel also has many aliens, Gods, and magic as well. They shouldn't shy away from any of it just for the sake of realism.

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Old 03-15-2009, 06:50 PM   #12
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I like my fiction, no matter how far fetched it is, to make sense. Accepting things just cause that's the way a writer made it 40+ years ago when they were printed solely to entertain children is foolish. The characters and their world have evolved since then, even if the 616 books still try to hold on to that decades old continuity and backstory.

But, that's mainly with the other players. Thor, on the other hand, doesn't really need any explanation simply because of the nature of his character. Whether you have faith in a higher power(s) or not, it's something that most likely will never be proven or disproven beyond a shadow of a doubt. There's your window for Thor. Same as the ancient Greek and Roman gods, the immortals of Asgard have been watching our pathetic existence for eons and their powers and abilities are far beyond any understanding of our science. He just is, trying to explain it will only screw things up, as opposed to IM or Cap or Batman etc, who are only made more interesting and rich by their realistic and/or pseudo-science elements.

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The Thor solo movie will go a long way in explaining his existence if needed. If anything it'll give people another reason to check out his solo movie or DVD prior to viewing or after if that's the case.

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Old 03-15-2009, 06:55 PM   #14
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^But most of marvel's popular superheroes are created by science i.e. someone experimenting on themselves or some scientific accident.
Most. Not all. Thor is but one example, Dr. Strange is another.

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^But most of marvel's popular superheroes are created by science i.e. someone experimenting on themselves or some scientific accident.
Just because they were created through science doesn't make it realistic.

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I like my fiction, no matter how far fetched it is, to make sense. Accepting things just cause that's the way a writer made it 40+ years ago when they were printed solely to entertain children is foolish. The characters and their world have evolved since then, even if the 616 books still try to hold on to that decades old continuity and backstory.
Somebody turning into a huge green monster isn't realistic no matter how you explain he does it. If I'm watching a super hero movie I don't need to believe that what's happening in the movie could happen in real life. I don't need it to "make sense". If it's possible for a man to get hit with gamma radiation and turn into a giant green monster, another to invent particles to make things/people to shrink/grow in size, and another to become a super soldier because of a serum and survive for decades in a block of ice, then I have no problem believing that a big ripped dude flying and swinging a big hammer is the Norse God of thunder.

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Way to let it fly right over your head...making sense and being believable ala IM or TIH or BB/TDK does not equal realism like a documentary. If you don't understand that...*shrug*

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so.. none of you wants to see an extremely ambiguous story..? like, you don't actually know if he's a god or not (I know, way too-Ultimates)

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Way to let it fly right over your head...making sense and being believable ala IM or TIH or BB/TDK does not equal realism like a documentary. If you don't understand that...*shrug*
Nothing went over my head, I get exactly what you're saying.

But I don't see how a man getting hit with gamma radiation and turning into a big green monster is any more believable than someone being a God. I'll give you IM and BB/TDK because there weren't any actual superpowers in there, but I don't see how Cap, Hulk and the Pyms are any different from Thor just because it's science.

If I lived in a world where there were super powered beings, whether through science or they're mutants or whatever, and these people are common place, if someone who could fly, command lightning and twirl around a hammer that no one else in the world could lift told me he was the Norse God of thunder, I would totally believe him. I mean, IN THAT WORLD it's really not that hard to believe.

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so.. none of you wants to see an extremely ambiguous story..? like, you don't actually know if he's a god or not (I know, way too-Ultimates)
I don't think they'd be able to do that since Thor's solo movie is set in Asgard. They could play it so that the people in the movie don't know whether he is or not, but it will already be established for us that he is.

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realism is only in approach.

mystic beings have been portrayed in realistic ways throughout the course of film.

look at blade, vampires are shown in a realistic manner that doesn't push the viewer out

why worry over something that doesn't matter?

the group all stem from different walks of life, that's the whole point of them.

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realism is only in approach.

mystic beings have been portrayed in realistic ways throughout the course of film.

look at blade, vampires are shown in a realistic manner that doesn't push the viewer out

why worry over something that doesn't matter?

the group all stem from different walks of life, that's the whole point of them.
I agree.

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i mean to cap who has been frozen, iron man, hulk and ant man are just as mystical as thor.

i mean try explaining the internet to someone who was alive at the turn of the 20th century, or even a mobile phone. They'd burn you on sight.

why not argue mysticism is just another realm of advanced science from an 'alien race'. I'd be happy if they suspected many other reasons for thor, such as alien race, suit, weaponary advancement but he kept advocating his own beliefs.

I'd also want the end of the thor film to be in line with this. Have it come across like he's a crazy loon and have him been kept at the triskelion. The viewer doesn't know whether he's hallucinating or not but then he gets hired by the ultimates as part of his 'probation' to get time off his sentence.

it'd be great to see that kinda 'american psycho' or a usual suspects moment at the end of the thor movie to throw the movie audience off and start bringing doubt into it all. Have major characters in his stories play security guards and ex partners etc...Have loki play the head psychiartrist or something as well.

making or breaking thor's role in the avengers movie is all about the last five minutes and how they tie it all in.

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I agree, one of my favorite things about Ultimate Thor was how everyone thought he was a loon with some hi-tech toys until the end of 2, revealing it was all Loki's doing.

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The more people talk about realism, the more I want to throw something.

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Same here.

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