Avengers cartoon

[carnage899]

Hank is pretty much my favourite Avenger so far (along with Hawkeye). I hope they keep his personality straight for as long as possible. Btw does anyone know where to ask Yost about will Spidey appear or be refferenced in the show?

[the dmg]

One moment of the latest episode I completely wanted to say I loved was the Predator opening for Sentry 459.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

Or it could be like the Busiek run where Kang takes over the world and crashes his ship into Maryland earlier in the decade. Sort of climaxed the whole legendary Busiek/Perez run when they started on the book in the Heroes Return era.

Good point. I hadn't considered that Yost's quote could be for the Kang episodes, or later in the season in general.

Considering all the drama that came of Stamford in CIVIL WAR, it is kind of amazing how poorly other titles dealt with the whole Kang War thing. I mean, he literally blew up the U.N. and Washington, D.C. and practically no other book dealt with it and it was no big deal. A few years later, one school gets blown up and suddenly superheroes are at each other's throats while the fed seek to kill them.

There are many strong Kang stories to choose from. Having him seek to save Ravonna already invokes some of those classics...

I didn't care for the look they went with Mar-vell. I like the classic style look so I hope he could possibly acquire it at some point. It was still a good story and a very good episode.

I never cared for Mar-Vell so I didn't mind. It is possible they could stick him in some redesigned suit that resembles his 616 one, though.

I wonder if that was foreshadowing by Carol when she tells Wasp that if he keeps playing the jealousy game then Hank is going to strictly hate her. You know, like when Hank had a mental breakdown and verbally and physically abused Jan and became the Yellow Jacket?

Possibly. I am curious how this show will handle Hank's "breakdown" stuff. While there is only so much you can do on Disney XD, the show isn't afraid of some dark stuff. Clearly, Ultron will go wrong and Pym will bare some responsibility from that. But so far he hasn't had as much of the esteem issues as in much of the comics, and he and Jan seemed to reconcile at the end of "459". Janet was hostile because she didn't think Pym had any emotions for anything but science. Once it seemed clear that he loves her, she seemed to be willing to cut him some slack.

Or . . . like when Wasp bleeped Hawkeye. Hank walked in and saw it and then . . . pretty much nothing happened after that. Just more of why Chuck Austen is one of the worst comic writers ever. How can you have Hawkeye and Wasp messing around sexually have Hank see it and then not have any sort of emotional payoff to that? Or was Hank already a skrull at that point? Not sure.

I don't think so. In AVENGERS ACADEMY, Pym out right tells Hawkeye that he's a decent guy behind the bluster and he "sees why Janet left him [Pym] for him [Clint]". I'm not sure that'll happen in this show, especially with Mockingbird turning up.

[EvilClareToo]

Originally Posted by CaptainStacy

Thanks so much! This could be an interesting idea for an episode. The original 5 with that line up of Avengers. I guess it will depend if A:EMH takes place in the same animated universe as Wolverine and the X Men.

Since we have Ms. Marvel now (sort of), I wonder if they will have Rogue taking her powers. Rogue had a lot of run ins with the Avengers before switching sides, didn't she?

Soooo excited about tomorrow's ep! Hydra! Hawkeye! Shield! Black Widow! Cap! Black Panther! Fury! Bring it on!

[TheVileOne]

Originally Posted by Dread

Good point. I hadn't considered that Yost's quote could be for the Kang episodes, or later in the season in general.

Considering all the drama that came of Stamford in CIVIL WAR, it is kind of amazing how poorly other titles dealt with the whole Kang War thing. I mean, he literally blew up the U.N. and Washington, D.C. and practically no other book dealt with it and it was no big deal. A few years later, one school gets blown up and suddenly superheroes are at each other's throats while the fed seek to kill them.

It always seems to be like that for every book and things are only acknowledged when its convenient . Such as Wolverine some how appearing in every book in existence. Wolverine is a New Avenger, leader of the Uncanny X-Force, and a member of pretty much all the regular X-men teams. And he's also in Hell while Satan is possessing his body and beating up all his friends. None of it feasibly works but its all going on, so that's the beauty of comics.

I never cared for Mar-Vell so I didn't mind. It is possible they could stick him in some redesigned suit that resembles his 616 one, though.

It was just an eye-sore to me. I love Mar-Vell's classic look because it's very simple and effective and iconic. I think its OK because it is a modern variation/update of his original Kree soldier look so I guess it makes sense sort of like when Iron Man had that old clunky tin can armor. I always prefer the contemporary or classic look over anything which I'm happy the show for the most part goes for with some exceptions.

I don't think so. In AVENGERS ACADEMY, Pym out right tells Hawkeye that he's a decent guy behind the bluster and he "sees why Janet left him [Pym] for him [Clint]". I'm not sure that'll happen in this show, especially with Mockingbird turning up.

See I don't know how they can just bring that up because if we are to go by what happened Janet never actually LEFT Hank and she and Hawkeye were never actually an item besides Janet wanting to fling with him. None of that whole event makes any sense to me and I consider it all just the dregs of Avengers storytelling.

[RaZaTrOn]

The next episode look awesome! Mockingbird

[MarvelWarrior]

Think we'll get an episode focusing on the big 3?

[bigdaddy313]

black widow is soooooooo a triple agent it makes sense.see the add, why is nick fury angry that the avengers r involved? he would have welcomed them as new allies in taking hydra down.

[kedrell]

My money's on Fury wanting to keep Hydra subdued but not extinct since if that happened some new evil organization would just fill the void left by them and he and Shield would have to start over at square one.

[lixdexia]

Originally Posted by MarvelWarrior

Think we'll get an episode focusing on the big 3?

yes, they've already talked about a big one for them in season 2 before the avengers movie comes out

[RealIrOnMaN]

[Dread]

Originally Posted by TheVileOne

It always seems to be like that for every book and things are only acknowledged when its convenient . Such as Wolverine some how appearing in every book in existence. Wolverine is a New Avenger, leader of the Uncanny X-Force, and a member of pretty much all the regular X-men teams. And he's also in Hell while Satan is possessing his body and beating up all his friends. None of it feasibly works but its all going on, so that's the beauty of comics.

True.

It was just an eye-sore to me. I love Mar-Vell's classic look because it's very simple and effective and iconic. I think its OK because it is a modern variation/update of his original Kree soldier look so I guess it makes sense sort of like when Iron Man had that old clunky tin can armor. I always prefer the contemporary or classic look over anything which I'm happy the show for the most part goes for with some exceptions.

Of course. We all have our exceptions. It took me a day or so to get over HYDRA replacing the Nazi's in the 1940's, but I did.

See, I always found Capt. Mar-Vell's costume to be a bit generic superhero to me. The Ultimate suit is really just a sprucing up of his original white and green Kree uniform that he wore for years when he first showed up in the 60's. It's possible he could change to a red and blue attire when he decides to side fully with Earth, or something. But, as you said, it is akin to Iron Man's armor looking better than it did in earlier incarnations, or even to a degree the 90's cartoons.

See I don't know how they can just bring that up because if we are to go by what happened Janet never actually LEFT Hank and she and Hawkeye were never actually an item besides Janet wanting to fling with him. None of that whole event makes any sense to me and I consider it all just the dregs of Avengers storytelling.

It may be, I was just stating that Pym was aware of it, so it likely happened before the Skrulls kidnapped him.

Originally Posted by EvilClareToo

Thanks so much! This could be an interesting idea for an episode. The original 5 with that line up of Avengers. I guess it will depend if A:EMH takes place in the same animated universe as Wolverine and the X Men.

Since we have Ms. Marvel now (sort of), I wonder if they will have Rogue taking her powers. Rogue had a lot of run ins with the Avengers before switching sides, didn't she?

Soooo excited about tomorrow's ep! Hydra! Hawkeye! Shield! Black Widow! Cap! Black Panther! Fury! Bring it on!

An episode having the original X-Men meet the Avengers wouldn't be too bad, actually. I liked "WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN" 's depictions of the "first class" uniforms in "BREAKDOWN". I mean, A:EMH already has most of the VA's who played those characters in W&TXM as part of their regular or re-occurring cast; Nolan North (Cyclops in W&TXM; Balder/Jimmy Woo/Living Laser/Piledriver in A:EMH), Jim Ward (Professor X in W&TXM; Baron Strucker in A:EMH), Fred Tatasciore (Beast in W&TXM; Hulk and other monsters in A:EMH), and Jennifer Hale (Jean Grey in W&TXM; Carol Danvers in A:EMH). If such an episode would use a more "updated" X-Men roster than the founders, there are plenty of other parallels. It isn't something I am panting over, but it wouldn't be something I would mind. If this is still a modern stab at the 60's era, then it would be the founding five X-Men (or maybe the roster by the end that included Havok and Polaris). However, I would expect that the villain involved would be better than an alien named Lucifer. It never did make sense to me how rarely the Avengers seemed to care about some of the larger threats the X-Men fought despite many of them being "worthy", such as Magneto and his then Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants. It also wouldn't be a bad way of introducing the Maximoff twins, if this series intends to...

Originally Posted by bigdaddy313

black widow is soooooooo a triple agent it makes sense.see the add, why is nick fury angry that the avengers r involved? he would have welcomed them as new allies in taking hydra down.

Maybe because Nick Fury is a bit of a control freak and, to be fair, the Avengers are considered "civilians", not actual trained and authorized SHIELD agents. Technically Hawkeye WAS one, but he was stripped of his rank when Black Widow framed him and refused to rejoin. Fury likely sees the Avengers as a helpful privately funded and organized super-team, but not an extension of SHIELD. Stark made that very clear when SHIELD wanted to arrest the Hulk after he helped beat Graviton, and the rest of the Avengers defended him. Of course, then the Hulk went off the grid for a while and SHIELD/Hulkbusters had to chase him again. While SHIELD and the Avengers have cooperated and joined efforts, they are not attached at the hip to each other, nor do they "have" to obey each other.

Originally Posted by RealIrOnMaN

Very cool!

[bigdaddy313]

that makes sense dread but i still think she is a triple agent

[Venomfan]

captain marvel reminded me of the blue beetle from batman BATB

[Dread]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy313

that makes sense dread but i still think she is a triple agent

I suppose the term "triple agent" gets on my goat lately ever since having seen "INDIANA JONES AND THE CRYSTAL SKULL" in which the term is used in a bit of dodgy writing. In the film, Indy's partner turns out to be a Commie spy, who betrays Indy. Later, he claims he's a double-agent, working for the Americans all along. In the last act, he again betrays Indy to the Commies who are the villains. Indy cracks, "What are you, a TRIPLE agent?" No, Indy. He's still a double agent; you were just foolish enough to be tricked by him twice.

If Widow is a triple agent, that would mean she is a SHIELD agent secretly betraying the group to HYDRA while all along still being a SHIELD agent working under some uber secret plan by Nick Fury. While that's actually very possible, and would explain Fury's anger at tinkering with his investigation, that still boils down to Black Widow still being a SHIELD agent; just one in VERY deep cover with HYDRA in which establishing her as a double agent is part of her cover. If so, then it would likely mean that Natasha would remain with SHIELD while Hawkeye would remain disgusted with them and remain with the Avengers (who at least do things "honestly").

I guess the term "triple agent" either annoys me or it is difficult to truly pull it off without simply being a very crafty undercover agent or double agent. A triple agent might imply working for up to three organizations (i.e. a SHIELD agent who is also a double agent for HYDRA and, say, A.I.M., and neither SHIELD, HYDRA, or A.I.M. is aware of the triple dealing).

[Drz]

Yeah whatever happens with Black Widow, i hope they got really good explanation for it all. I have my faith in the writing department ofcourse.

[bigdaddy313]

OK i wont say triple agent i would say a very unique agent of shield hows that lol. I think we r having the same scenario as the spider-woman story in new avengers (without the skrulls). where she was working for nick and hydra. in the iron man micro he calls the black widow and all of a sudden she goes to get the hulk and his blood sample. uses Clint as a skep-goat to make it more convincing and she is in to find out how shield was licked. that might lead to Clint coming and complicate things for nick fury and black widow. i believe thats how it will go down. And remember she said in the micros with a sad look on her face "I am sorry Clint", and shield was there very quickly as well.

[Brian Braddock]

Finally saw the Mar-vell episode and I liked it.

As someone has said before, this was Mar-vell as we 1st saw him in the comics (albeit with an updated look), before he got the iconic red and blue costume and nega-bands (I call that version the 'Starlin' version because while it may not necessarilly be acurate, I do associate Jim Starlin more closely with the character than any other comicbook professional). I'm hoping that 'Starlin' Mar-vell turns up but I've a feeling that the closest we may see to this (in costume at least) will be in the guise of Ms.Marvel, judging by the ending.

As with the rest of this series, I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. I've rarely been so impressed by a cartoon in recent years - it has great animation and character/background design, good writing, fantastic action, cool nods for fans (I literally geekasmed with the sight of the Griffin in one of the episodes)...the whole shebang.

In fact, the odd character and cosmetic change aside (which is always to be expected in adaptions), I'm struggling to think were the series has misplaced a step thus far.

In short, I want more........

[Franklin Richards]

I'm up. I'm up.



sanna franna sunday mornings... grrrrr...

[JoeyConQueso]

Bobbi Morse is looking good.

[JoeyConQueso]

Oh snap @ the last minute reveal.

[venomfangs125]

I didn't really get the ending...Was Madame Viper a Skrull or something?

[CaptainStacy]

Originally Posted by venomfangs125

I didn't really get the ending...Was Madame Viper a Skrull or something?

Yes.

Anyway; great episode! Watching Hawk take on the Hydra AND Aim forces in the opening sequence made me admit he has a place on a team calling itself "Earth's Mightiest Heroes".

[Franklin Richards]

Wow.


Lots of Easter eggs too.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

The Fat Man. Count Nefaria.

I can only presume that The Fat Man is Kingpin.


Oh and let's not forget that the Skrulls just landed. Gotta be some FF nods in the near future. Nice that it was Lady Viper in the Elektra reveal. Same chick really.

Let's not get too spoilery guys. It just aired. Let the itunes boys and pirates get theirs.

[venomfangs125]

Originally Posted by CaptainStacy

Watching Hawk take on the Hydra AND Aim forces in the opening sequence made me admit he has a place on a team calling itself "Earth's Mightiest Heroes".

Yeah, that was certainly something I couldn't see Green Arrow doing in JLU. Hawkeye FTW!