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I'm fine with this format because I want to see how the Avengers come together.
Since we've never gotten a PROPER Avengers animated series, this means they can start from scratch and begin anew. Even Justice League the pilot was about the team coming together.
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Indeed. However, one advantage that JUSTICE LEAGUE had was that it was tied to prior cartoon continuity. Therefore, they did not have to introduce Batman, or Superman, or even technically Flash, as he had appeared once on Superman's show (as well as the concept of the Green Lantern). The only character(s) the pilot of that show spent time introducing were J'onn and Wonder Woman (who was then "new" to "man's world"). Even Hawkgirl was treated as a reasonably pre-existing hero.
AVENGERS: EMH isn't coming after any set continuity. I am sure they expect the audience to be familiar with Iron Man and Hulk especially, and to a lessor degree, Thor and Captain America. But that is not the same as JUSTICE LEAGUE's situation. Craig Kyle did not feel the need to have much back-story to set up WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, just diving head-first into the premise almost immediately. And while that season has been a worldwide success, the quality of the story would have been better if the set-up time was better. A:EMH is more Chris Yost's show, though, and I do get the sense he is a bit more methodical in some ways; I see Kyle as more of the "slam-bang-get to the good stuff" guy. I could be totally wrong, of course. ![]() It does set up the show to have the characters be whoever they want them to be on their own terms, which is good. Despite being a challenge to write, in some ways this show has the wind at it's back. No one is predicting doom or expecting it to be worse than what came before, because what came before was rubbish. It means Yost doesn't have to be 100% perfect from the pilot and can build up to excellence naturally without the audience predicting doom. Unless they're me, of course.
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So to me, they are definitely going off of Iron Man's recent popularity from the movie, much like Wolverine did from the X-men movies and Wolverine became the leader of the X-men for that cartoon series.
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I don't think it's a big matter of changing identities so much as having a different costume depending on the occassion unlike say when he went to being Yellowjacket. Also, quarter reports list the series as having 52 episodes.
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Therefore, in the case of A:EMH, Iron Man acting as leader not only takes advantage of his movie fame, but is also accurate to the canon history of the Avengers. It's actually another bit of wind at the series' back. Anyone who screams about it being out of character for Iron Man to lead the team even with Cap there hasn't researched. Of course, if Stark and Cap don't have differing opinions and whatnot and occasionally disagree, then it will seem simple. But that is a question for over time. Quote:
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I must say, a roster with Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk is going to have to fight some whoppers of villains for it to be really challenging. I also wonder if the show will take another JL approach; not try to feature all 7 heroes in EVERY episode. Having 2-4 per episode allows them all to be fleshed gradually over time. But if Yost and Co. can make more characters per episode work, so be it! Overall, I am excited over this.
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When in continuity has Wolverine led the proper X-Men?
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Just heard about this for the first time last night and checked out the trailer. It looks pretty good although Iron Man does look like one of the autobots in transformers animated.
And Iron Man being the leader threw me off a little as I'm sure Cap was the leader but I guess IM is pretty popular right now so naturally he'd be pushed to the front as Wolverine has been.
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Yeah, I remember when BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES aired every afternoon on Fox Kids and had a 52 episode first season. Kang was in the teaser and hopefully this Avengers show respects the past while modernizing it for the second decade of the 21st century. I think once in the 1980's Storm all but coerced Wolverine to lead the team for a period. Wolverine also challenged Rogue for leadership in some "test" back in the late 90's during Claremont's first return to the series. He lost to her. At the time I thought that was baloney, but in the late 90's I was still quite a hardcore Wolverine fanboy. Quote:
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According to Askmen.com Dawn Olivieri will voice Pepper Potts on the show
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This will not be a 52 episode season. Marvel says the plan is 2 seasons with 26 episodes each.
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I think I have fallen in love with the design for Wasp. Something about it is just so...AWESOME. It's got like a retro sci-fi chic pixie-ish thing going on.
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Interesting. The last teaser image of "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES" had Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Wasp, and Ant-Man. This one at least remains consistent with all of them, and adds Black Panther. He's had a long history with the Avengers, and with BET having difficulty launching his own 'toon, it makes sense to merge him in with the Avengers. Plus, I imagine that, as Bruce Timm once said when launching "JUSTICE LEAGUE", they might not have wanted their team to only have "a bunch of white people".
The designs look slightly tweaked from the last promotional image. And it seems that Black Panther's cape might be longer here than in the comics, where it usually went to the small of his back (although it could also just be Hulk's purple pants). At any rate, it'll be cool seeing Black Panther show up in something since "ULTIMATE AVENGERS 2". Much like Captain America, T'Challa represents the hero of a whole nation (bringing in international flavor), and like Iron Man, he has a wealth of technological and financial resources. Everyone's probably counting down the episodes until Hawkeye shows up, but Black Panther's cool by me, too. This brings the "official" roster of the show to 7, which is fine for a superhero team show. Besides Jarvis, naturally. The last Avengers cartoon, it should be noted, had the Falcon in it. And while I've grown to like Falcon more in Ed Brubaker's CAPTAIN AMERICA series, overall Black Panther > Falcon, especially for an Avengers series. After all, T'Challa's arch nemesis Klaw was a common sight in some Masters of Evil rosters. I'm excited for this show, not only for the Avengers but to see what Chris Yost can do running a TV show as the main story editor without Craig Kyle around. I'm curious who'll be voicing some of these Avengers; even if the show is almost two years away, they should be at least doing auditions now. If word is being leaked online of a "YOUNG JUSTICE" cartoon, it may be a matter of time before we learn more about this show. Wasp does have a very "modern retro" costume, although I am curious if the limits of a TV animation budget would allow her to change her costume as often as she does in the comics. ![]() The Hulk is still a bit of a wild card on the cartoon roster for me. He's obviously there for recognition and popularity; next to Iron Man and Thor, he probably is the most well known one to an average kid. The writers really don't have a wealth of material to go by for Hulk on the Avengers, since in the 616 version his interactions with them were limited, and in Ultimates they were mostly antagonistic. How do you make the "default" rampaging monster Hulk workable on a team show? Will the Hulk himself actually be part of the team, or will Bruce Banner be, who merely tries to "aim" Hulk at the right time at the right threats? And if the Hulk is part of the team, how will his whole character dynamic be handled? It would be boring if the Hulk was just kind of there. It will be interesting how that is handled. Atop of the other character development, of course. 52 episodes have been ordered up front, so Marvel has a lot of confidence in this.
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Wow . . . Phil Lamarr just blew the lid off the show. I wonder if he got a dressing down.
Also, Phil should take note that Travis Willingham (ROY MUSTANG!) does Hulk on Super Hero Squad. Yes, it's a comedic Hulk, but its still a good Hulk. Unbelievable because whenever I would try to get into Avengers talk, things would get mum pretty quickly. And Phil just lets a lot of spoilers get out there, dang ![]() OK, so now we know that Hawkeye and Wonder Man will definitely be in there, so Dread can start breathing a little easier.
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Wow...just...WOW. Nothing for a year, and then BOOM, Phil LaMarr all but hands everything to Newsarama. Maybe his days playing Gambit on WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN helped his ability to score some goods, mon ami'?
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Also Kari Wahlgren as Enchantress.
Also, this supports Yost's promise that they are basically doing like the whole 616 Avengers canon from the beginning. Wasserman as Thor is odd yet intriguing casting. I liked Wasserman's Hulk in Planet Hulk, I was just kind of hoping it would be the guy that does Thor in VS. and Tales of Asgard (same guy). LaMarr also plays Black Panther on Superhero Squad. Can one guess he will play T'Challa in this series as well? One thing I'd wonder is if they'd ever be ballsy enough to try Avengers Dissassembled, though I personally hope they avoid going that route. I think a couple episodes though of a NEW AVENGERS type of team would be neat for the novelty of it. I also wonder if the show will be established as separate from the New WaTXM-verse and new Thor-verse for those shows.
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It is possible LaMarr could play Black Panther both here and in SUPER HERO SQUAD. He's a very talented voice actor. Personally I'd have loved if Keith David could have returned to reprise the role of Black Panther as he did in the 1990's FANTASTIC FOUR cartoon, which was a waste of a good performance, since the episode itself wasn't so hot. I doubt it, though. LaMarr would likely be fine for the Panther. It does seem that Yost is following 616 canon, although likely modernizing it, without making it too "Ultimate". I would hope any "Avengers Disassembled" story waits until later on, not in Season 1-2. The Avengers have a lot of rich history to mine through before that has to come in.
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