"Its like a Ferrari without a paint job." Hugh Jackman on the leak

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

X2, Bourne 1 and 2, 25th Hour, Adaptation, The Escapist is meant to be amazing.

All those movies are good for the other people in them. Not because of Cox.

The Proposition is pure Danny Huston.

And he usually steals the show in his supporting roles - he was the best thing about The Number 23.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by nathaniel

From the realeased stuff Huston just looks bland he may be a good actor but Cox as Stryker just smokes him out of the water when comparing the two. He just doesnt carry a vibe of a hard guy i know its a younger stryker but the seeds of a hard soldier hould be there.

Thats seems to the consensus.

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

All those movies are good for the other people in them. Not because of Cox.

The Proposition is pure Danny Huston.

And he usually steals the show in his supporting roles - he was the best thing about The Number 23.

Cox was amazing in the Bourne movies and X2 McCabe, Huston has been pretty average in what I have seen him in. From what I have seen so far, I personally prefer Cox.

[BMM]

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

What else you got?

His almost fifty years in television, film, and theatre, whether it be his award winning turn in Nuremberg or simply playing the odd Melvin Belli in Fincher’s Zodiac. Never mind his career on stage. Or does that not count because he always plays the old British, Irish, or Scottish guy? I’m sure the likes of Hugh Jackman would like to have his entire career, whether it is his demanding performance as Peter Allen or underappreciated performance in The Fountain, dismissed because he always plays the guy with claws.

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

He's always the old British guy (Match Point). Or the old Irish guy (The Boxer). Or the old Scottish guy (Braveheart).

Well, that’s settled. I guess they don’t count for anything because, in the whole three movies you listed, he played someone his age and with an accent.

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

*Anthony Hopkins smoked his Hannibal anyway.

Anthony Hopkins’ Hannibal Lecter smokes a lot of performances away, whether they are Brian Cox’s or Danny Huston’s.

As for Danny Huston’s turn as Stryker, he could be the greatest actor in the world, and I can already tell you it isn’t going to matter. Huston’s Stryker is going to be little more than a cookie cutter villain in a popcorn flick, popping up from time to time with little or no motivation other than the fact that he is the bad guy and is supposed to do bad things. The material simply isn’t going to be there. He will be one of the more forgettable villains in a comic book movie, falling squarely between those that are unforgettably good and those that are unforgettably bad and probably behind Cox’s Stryker.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In my opinion Danny Huston was really lame in the movie. Now I thought that Styker was a boring villian in X2 also but Cox did a better job of making him less boring.

[Theweepeople]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

Terminator 3 wasn't horrible in and of itself, it was just horrible as a TERMINATOR movie.

I didn't think Terminator was 3 horrible. In fact I thought the film was necessary. One of the things that made Cameron's movie so great was it only gave you the illusion that judgment day wouldn't happen. However, what people are forgetting is that judgement day was inevitable before the events of Terminator 2 took place. The discovery of the damaged terminator arm in Terminator 2 appeared to speed up the process. The destruction of the terminator arm, skynet microchip, and T-800 only delayed the events.

The only skynet scientist who died in T2 was Miles Dyson. The other scientists who originally created the skynet technology before the events of first terminator were probably all alive. The destruction of the only skynet research lab wasn't going to stop the inevitable. Therefore, somebody was going to restart the skynet technology. Another thing to note is John Connor, Sarah Connor, and the T-800 never saw the original terminator's head at the skynet lab. That technology and other research could have been secretly stored at another government controlled facility.

[nocomics]

Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

In my opinion Danny Huston was really lame in the movie. Now I thought that Styker was a boring villian in X2 also but Cox did a better job of making him less boring.

Agreed,but he was'nt the only issue I had with this movie the biggest one,but not the only one.
I wanna reserve judgement until I seen the finished product,but got the main jist of it...I'll still see it in the theatre for sure,as I wanna see it with all the CGI in place...Will it make a difference of what I saw? Not sure,but it can't hurt....

[night0205]

If an good actor does a bad job in a movie, it's usually the fault of A) the script, B) the director and C) the editor. Actors are ment to be used. And any good actor can look horrible because of these things.

And any horrible actor can look good because of these things. It's called movie magic.

Now accepting the part in the first place does put the fault back into their field of making a bad decision.

But you also have to take into account that not all movies are trying to portray a "Joker" in their movie. You might not like a character because they are uninteresting, but maybe that's what they are going for, maybe that's what the story calls for.

Think of it this way, the fat lady that everyone makes fun of in a comedy. It doesn't matter what her acting chops are, her only reason for being in the movie it to make fun of how fat she is. It's what that kind of story calls for. Nobody judges her. They might agree and say she is fat, but no body says, how she is not that good of actress...because what's the point?

Plus there are many characters used in movies that their only purpose is to annoy the audience about something, it's a tool. You might not agree with the method, you might hate it, but it is used.

And who's expecting oscar worthy performances in a comic book/action movie? They aren't trying to get it, they are only going for a good action movie. And character is set on the back burner in action movies. Eye candy equals first.

I understand what you guys are saying, and agree with a lot of it. I'm just trying to play the devil's advocate, and level the playing field.

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by Theweepeople

I didn't think Terminator was 3 horrible. In fact I thought the film was necessary. One of the thing's that made Cameron's movie so great was it only gave you the illusion that judgment day wouldn't happen. However, what people are forgetting is that judgement day was inevitable before the events of Terminator 2 took place. The discovery of the damaged terminator arm in Terminator 2 appeared to speed up the process. The destruction of the terminator arm, skynet microchip, and T-800 only delayed the events.

The only skynet scientist who died in T2 was Miles Dyson. The other scientists who originally created the skynet technology before the events of first terminator were probably all alive. The destruction of the only skynet research lab wasn't going to stop the inevitable. Therefore, somebody was going to restart the skynet technology. Another thing to note is John Connor, Sarah Connor, and the T-800 never saw the original terminator's head at the skynet lab. That technology and other research could have been secretly stored at another government controlled facility.

I gotta dissagree.

And by dissagreeing I don't mean that the story for T3 didn't make any sense.

It did make sense - it just didn't need to be told.

Like if Lucas decides to do an EPISODE VII. Just no need for that.

*I loved seeing Arnold again, I cheered when he closed his performance with "You've just been terminated!"

He'll always be dear to me, his movies were a HUGE part of my childhood.

I guess for me T3 is like Indy IV.

Two movies that brought me some very serious nostalgia, but that contributed very little to their respective sagas.

[night0205]

Yeah, movies that are more like fan films then anything else. They just play off what was great about the originals. Not bringing anything new to the table, but using the popularity of the originals to make money.

[Theweepeople]

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

I gotta dissagree.

And by dissagreeing I don't mean that the story for T3 didn't make any sense.

It did make sense - it just didn't need to be told.

Like if Lucas decides to do an EPISODE VII. Just no need for that.

*I loved seeing Arnold again, I cheered when he closed his performance with "You've just been terminated!"

He'll always be dear to me, his movies were a HUGE part of my childhood.

I guess for me T3 is like Indy IV.

Two movies that brought me some very serious nostalgia, but that contributed very little to their respective sagas.

I agree with you on Indy IV. The storyline has little to do with the others and unnecessary plot arcs were added to keep the series alive. However, I don't think it's a fair comparison to Terminator 3. At the beginning of the series we are told that Judgement Day is inevitable so it shouldn't matter how many times skynet's time warp plans are defeated. Everyone who saw the original Terminator knew this day would eventually come so shouldn't we all be curious to see how the events play out.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Theweepeople

I agree with you on Indy IV. The storyline has little to be with the others and unnecessary plot arcs were added to keep the series alive. However, I don't think it's a fair comparison to Terminator 3. At the beginning of the series we are told that Judgement Day is inevitable so it shouldn't matter how many times skynet's time warp plans are defeated. Everyone who saw the original Terminator knew this day would eventually come so shouldn't we all be curious to see how the events play out.

I feel that Terminator 2 wrapped everything up in a nice little package. I don't think that the series needed to be continued past T2.

However, Terminator 3 as bad of a Terminator film as it was, did set up Terminator Salvation rather well, which DOES look good.

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

I feel that Terminator 2 wrapped everything up in a nice little package. I don't think that the series needed to be continued past T2.

However, Terminator 3 as bad of a Terminator film as it was, did set up Terminator Salvation rather well, which DOES look good.

I agree with all of this.

Salvation was something I was dreading, and then the more footage I saw - the less I missed Arnold.

I think what Salvation is bringing to the equation is very much like what Nolan brought to Batman.

While Burton's films were good, the Nolan films are great - but in a completely different context.

Salvation isn't something I'm expecting to compare with T1 or T2 in some poll. Its just feeding me a different vibe.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Peter McCabe

I agree with all of this.

Salvation was something I was dreading, and then the more footage I saw - the less I missed Arnold.

I think what Salvation is bringing to the equation is very much like what Nolan brought to Batman.

While Burton's films were good, the Nolan films are great - but in a completely different context.

Salvation isn't something I'm expecting to compare with T1 or T2 in some poll. Its just feeding me a different vibe.

I just think that Christian Bale is just about perfect for John Connor.

[Spidey 2007]

Terminator?




lol

[night0205]

Terminator is an amazing story that has lots of unused potential.

[Spidey 2007]

Originally Posted by night0205

Terminator is an amazing story that has lots of unused potential.

Its also a very whack one LOL. All it is, is a giant loop. we just jumped in the middle of it alll to watch for a spell

*love terminator though

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I was way against T4 but the previews I saw in theaters when I went to see Watchmen were soo freakin good that if it doesn't get horrible reviews that says that it's dumb I'll pay to see it.

T3 was an alright generic action movie but it pales in comparsion to T2 IMHO. I'm not a fan of the first movie either for that matter.

One part in T3 I really liked is when Kate Brewster tells the Terminator to drop dead and he says "I'm unable to comply." Thats just so freakin funny to me for some reason.

[Ace of Knaves]

Originally Posted by Celestial

The finished movie is now being screened for journalists so we should start to see comments coming through. I was reassured by Jonathan Ross's twitter as I know he loves both comics and movies.

The 29th April can't come quickly enough for me!

Jonathon Ross, although a bit of a arsehole sometimes, is actually a very good film critic. I always check out his reviews. And yea, he doesn't hide the fact that he loves comic books.

[night0205]

Why are we talking about Terminator?

[Ace of Knaves]

Originally Posted by nathaniel

Blob is a boring minor character that cant work without CGI imo all i wanted to see is deadpool,gambit,sabertooth they packed the film with nobodys who cant act alongside them (Will I Am, the chinese guy, and the amazingly bad Stryker Brian Cox seems a world away from that bland guy they used imo) and the balance of X2 and even X3 was completely lost the movie has that clean studio feel that just stinks for me.

You must be the ONLY person on this board who wasn't impressed with Will.I.Am. Just because he is in a **** band or whatever doesn't automatically make him a bad actor. I thought he did very well, I was waiting to slate him, but I honestly can't.

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by night0205

Why are we talking about Terminator?

Someone made a comment about the curse of PART IIIs and put X3 on that list.

That led to debating on whether or not T3 belongs on that list.

Personally I think it does, but X3 doesn't.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by The Ace of Knaves

You must be the ONLY person on this board who wasn't impressed with Will.I.Am. Just because he is in a **** band or whatever doesn't automatically make him a bad actor. I thought he did very well, I was waiting to slate him, but I honestly can't.

I also thought that he was terrible. So count me as another one of those people.

[night0205]

Oh...I think i started that :/

[Ace of Knaves]

OK, only 2 people on this board thought will.i.am was bad.

[Peter McCabe]

Originally Posted by night0205

Oh...I think i started that :/