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its not like we are the only one on this world acting like this. |
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Chewy,
He does fight the "animal" but we don't see enough of the "animal" in the film to understand why he fights it. It's implied with the opening sequences the "kind of work we did together" but Wolverine actually does nothing in that sequence. But, you get the sense that he did a lot and had had enough. But again, it's definitely not enough and a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's suppose to be the hero to the audience and the hero can't do gruesome things (via Hollywood). It contradicts the anti-hero he is in X-Men, X2, and I can't believe I'm saying this but some parts of X-Men The Last Stand. |
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There are very clear references to Wolverine doing "horrible things" in X2. In this, he does nothing violent unless provoked. It goes completely against his background in not only the comics, but the previous X-Men movies |
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You're correct. Again, it has nothing to do with Jackman's performance...but how he's written. |
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they aren't the only ones watching and they are a sharp minority! |
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People need to realize that this film wasn't planned since X-2. Some of the stuff they did or mentioned in X-2 just wouldn't work in a pg-13 film like this. I loved the brutal experiment flashback in X2, I would of loved it to be like that in this film. But a prolonged scene like that is just never gonna happen in a pg-13 film. It was ok as a quick glimpse, but prolonged? No chance. |
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50% = mediocre. If the film has good dialogue and bad dialogue then that equals mediocre. I can't list all the plot holes as they are spoilers. It is my opinion that it is mediocre and I am taking my Last Stand against mediocrity. You yourself have said you were dissapointed but it doesn't matter so you will pay for it anyways...what wonderful rhetoric. Fans are a big part of the movie's box office because they pull in repeat viewings but this won't have good legs. If we all watched this the weekend after instead of opening weekend then it would send a message and yes we can affect the box office but not if you think your 10 dollars doesn't matter.
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This is so much like the LoTR films and the books. The films are fun when you're not trying to compare them to the books. If you do, you'll notice that some characters were robbed of all development, some were cut, some were changed nearly beyond recognition. Non-bookish fans never noticed. You didn't have to read the trilogy and the Silmarillion to understand it, either. That, or the arguments around the new Star Trek film. Some fans call it a crime against TOS - ignoring that it's not what the new film is trying to replace. On a different note, I just can't imagine a Wolverine movie to be brainy. Sorry. It's got to be action. The next one's gonna be action, too. It's not The Dark Knight, and not Watchmen. It's Wolverine, he's great, but he's not the most sophisticated character out there (imho). I haven't seen it, of course, but that's what I'm expecting. |
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The problem is that Wolverine is the only character proven (proven in terms of merchandise, etc. I'm not saying no other character is capable) to be able to have a successful film franchise and Fox need to cash in on his popularity while they can. You can't do that if you make Wolverine this deplorable, violent war vet who does Black Ops missions with a corrupt General. Of course, that's the film most of us wouldn't mind seeing. But that's also the film most parents don't want their kids reenacting at home. From a story perspective, this film is like fitting a square peg into a round hole. It's heavily implied that Wolverine was a different person (not entirely, but still different) before X1. And technically they're still using the groundwork Bryan Singer laid down almost ten years ago. But he's still a reluctant hero with a heart of gold.
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it was normal to show wolverine doing good things in the x-men movies. here he should be an ''nimal'' badass. lets just stop talking around it. lets just say how it really is. FOX can not sell a badass wolverine movie to kids. at least this is what they think. it should be a hard PG13 movie of wolverine being a badass mutherf.... |
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Ace,
Then, it can't be a true prequel to X-Men and X2...so why make it all if you're going to contradict those films that set the stage for this film to even exist.... |
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calibud,
"From a story perspective, this film is like fitting a square peg into a round hole. It's heavily implied that Wolverine was a different person (not entirely, but still different) before X1. And technically they're still using the groundwork Bryan Singer laid down almost ten years ago. But he's still a reluctant hero with a heart of gold." You can still do that with this film but get the fine details right so the three films (Wolverine, X-Men, and X2) fit right....otherwise, what's the damn point? Again, it's not that hard. Bryan Singer made it pretty easy for the filmmakers. |
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Should we have seen him do some bad stuff.. earlier missions.. sure, would have been great. But just because we only saw his last mission and not his first dozen or so doesn't mean they didn't happen or that he never did terrible things. |
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Seriously, what do people expect? The main protagonist running around slaughtering people like he did in the comics? In a pg-13 film? I wish. |
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But voting is voting, so the comparison is kinda melodramatic (no offense). You vote just to make a difference and have your opinions heard. Not so for a movie where you go to be entertained. The sad reality of the situation though, is that even in voting, the majority still usually wins out.
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Well the minority won't make a major difference, not in terms of box office gross anyway. FACT.
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Ace,
I'm not saying slaughter or anything of that nature. I'm talking fine story and visual details that could've been easily achieved. I mean, if someone watches Wolverine first, then goes to X-Men and X2 afterwords, the three film contradict themselves in some serious ways...if you're really paying attention. And the reason this has to be considered a true prequel is because of the star....FACT. If you had a different actor, we'd be having a totally different conversation. |
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Did I say that everyone who disliked the film disliked it for the same reason? No, I said most of the people. There's a difference.
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