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Old 05-01-2009, 06:31 PM   #1
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Hey guys. Since a lot of you here seem to have serious problems with the plot of Wolverine, and it shows in almost every thread, I opened this so we can focus on those here.

Please, try to keep it here, since it's getting very annoying not being able to read the users or critics review, or other topics, since they are flooded with posts about the addamantium bullet and stuff like that

And let's try to keep the order also, I'm sure lots of stuff will be pointed out, and it's gonna be difficult to keep up with the discussion...

I'll start with one of the things that bothered me: Cyclops glasses. What? he got glasses that can stop his optic blasts? where did they came from? That's pretty WTF, I was expecting him to be discovering his power in the movie, or something like that... But in the movie, it looks like he either somehow got special ruby glasses, or any red glasses can stop his optic blasts...

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Old 05-01-2009, 07:06 PM   #2
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The only decent explanation is that Cyclop's powers kicked in when Creed attacked him. Talk about coincidence, huh?

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The issue I'm about to mention is more of a storytelling/continuity issue but something I found quite annoying.

In X1 and X2 Cyclops optic blast clearly "do not heat objects but instead deliver tremendous concussive force".

This is completely ignored in X-Men Origins: Wolverine where Scott's beam seem to burn through objects completely throwing the continuity set up in the X-Men movie series straight into the toilet.

Wolverine reflecting (with his claws of course) the beam that "Deadpoop" acquired from Scott made this issue even more annoying than it already was.

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Old 05-01-2009, 07:15 PM   #4
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Actually, I think I remember in the comics that Cyclops got his glasses from some villian named Diamond Jack or something like that or was it Mr. Sinister? Anyway, I do remember Cyclops had the glasses before he met Xavier. By not defining it in the movie, it leaves it open to do a movie for Cyclops that takes place before Origins:Wolverine or after.
My only real problem with the movie was Silver Fox and Emma being sisters. I didn't even look like they could be related.

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- Cyclops has laser eyes in this movie and not optic blasts but when Deadpool uses them against Creed, no hole is burned through Creed's body and his clothes aren't even burnt and then they return back to laser beams.

- Stryker walks off of an island.

- Wolverine either leaves Kayla's body to rot in the woods, takes her back to their house, or allows the cops/medics to get the body but never wonders what happened to it or if there was a funeral for the woman he loved. He also could not smell with his super senses that it wasn't her blood and he doesn't go bounding after Creed right then and there for killing the woman he loved.

- The cages that housed the mutants for six years had no toilets or beds in them.

- Wolverine's bone claws are broken but adamantium somehow completes the broken set and even changes the entire appearance of the bone claws on its own in liquid form.

- Stryker only wants Wolverine's DNA but decides to give him an indestructible skeleton and smartly orders his termination after the procedure.

- Barakapool's can bend his arms with 3 foot long arm blades in them.

- Wolverine boxes Blob but threatens him with his claws after the fight when he could have done that to begin with.

- The back door to Stryker's facility leads off of a cliff...good door placement.

- Cyclops does not use his eye beams to escape the wire mesh cage he is being held in.

- After loosing his memory, Logan remembers where he left his jacket the old man gave him that seems to also be indestructible.

- One of the guys on Team X that cannot die is not sent in first.

- Gambit's guards played cards with him when he is a captive that can escape by touching objects.

- Professor Xavier knew about the Weapon X facility and decided to show up at that exact moment.

- Magneto's kids are being held captive in a facility filled with metal and they are still there.

- Cyclops can wear sun glasses to every class but Spanish.

- Gambit can recover from being knocked out and appear on a roof in mere seconds.

- LCD computer screens and television monitors existed in the 70's-80's.

- Wolverine will fight in American wars for 2 centuries but when asked to rejoin he proclaims that he isn't American.

- Wolverine can stop laser beams with his claws and also charge up a force that can repel back to the source.

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Old 05-01-2009, 07:29 PM   #6
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It's a really minor nitpick, but Wolverine's dog tags in X:Men Origins were American issued, but in X1 his Wolverine tags are Canadian issued (as they should be).

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- Stryker walks off of an island.
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There was a bridge
I didn't notice it but if so then that eliminates one. But, wouldn't the cops, media, or the medics wonder why a guy was just walking leisurely across the bridge off of the island?

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Get ready for X-Menrgins...younger new Storm,Cyclops..etc..Professor X......but they did Deadpool wrong...he's one of my favorite characters...but what they did to him was an abominations...he kinda looked like the freak from Resident Evil (movies)

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You would think the police would have stopped Stryker as they were arriving anyway and asked him what happened there. Seeing as he runs the place.

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- The cages that housed the mutants for six years had no toilets or beds in them.

- Barakapool's can bend his arms with 3 foot long arm blades in them.

- Wolverine boxes Blob but threatens him with his claws after the fight when he could have done that to begin with.

- Cyclops does not use his eye beams to escape the wire mesh cage he is being held in.

- Magneto's kids are being held captive in a facility filled with metal and they are still there.

- Cyclops can wear sun glasses to every class but Spanish.

- LCD computer screens and television monitors existed in the 70's-80's.

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- Maybe they let them out at a certain time of the day to go to the bathroom. Toillets' time!
- Wolverine can bend his fingers and wrists too, no matter the claws, so it's the same.
- I guess at the beginning of the Blob fight, Wolverine took it more lightly, more kind of a practice or even a joke, and then started to get angry, so he comes up with the claws.
- Cyclops was a teen boy who didn't really know how to use his power. If he started to shoot the optic blasts, he could have even hurt the other mutants.
- Was Lorna there? Or only Pietro?
- Maybe the spanish teacher was really nitpicky, or Scott's power started to manifest too recently.
- I still hope this isn't the 70's; early 90's would be nice.

For me, the biggest plot hole is Gambit on the ground and running on the roofs 5 seconds later.

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Thats because his bone structure and whatnot developed on him since he was a kid, the katana blades were added to normal human arms.

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-Gambit stops the Creed/Logan fight, then he fights Gambit instead of using his super sharp sense to follow Creed's scent. Makes no sense. Your revenge is right there, why do you still need Gambit?

-Xavier showing up like he does would signify that he knew what was going on and let it happen. Jerk.

-The Blob/Logan boxing match serves NO story purpose. He could easily have just attacked him and it would have made sense, but they have to camp it up with a boxing match that makes no sense and is a waste of screentime. Not to mention, the HORRIBLE way they include the word Blob in the scene

-Wade obviously loved killing. Why did you have to make him a mindless drone whom is mute? Couldn't you have just altered Wade and let him loose? Let him be the remorseless weapon Stryker wanted? The dialogue could have added a lot to the fight, but as is...UGH!

-Adamantium bullet...nuff said on it taking his memories away. BUT, you have what might be the only thing that can kill him...and you don't give these to your agent whom's mutant power is being a marksman? Makes no sense.

Other ones have been noted, but these are some I noticed.

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The only decent explanation is that Cyclop's powers kicked in when Creed attacked him. Talk about coincidence, huh?
Actually that wouldn't make sense either, because how would Stryker have known to send Creed after Cyclops if he hadn't developed his powers yet?

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Ok I just figured out that it was Xavier leading Scott the whole time. Lol I was like...they never explained how he knew.

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Wow! These are all great. There are so many holes in the story. The optic blast vs. laser blast hung me up for 10 min. following those scenes. My favorite right now is the lost connection of his jacket left in Gambit's boatplane then after a good mind wiping, he find's it again in X1? WTF moments all over.
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Adamantium came from space?
Then how did they get an abundance to make bullets and lace Wolverine and Deathstrike's skeleton?
How did they find all these mutants?
How could these mutants not escape come on Emma can turn to diamond which is a hard ass substance.
What is Blob's mutation in the movie?
Who cut off Deadpool's arm?

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I wanna know what happened to quicksilver! I was really excited to see him! and cyclone guy... razorwind i think his name is. He's a morlock

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One of the falling jagged rocks probably cut his arm off.

I was wondering how...if the optic blasts burned Deadpool's skin and heated up Wolverine's claws, why didn't it burn through Victor's shirt?

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- Cyclops can wear sun glasses to every class but Spanish.
You do realize that every one of your critiques are absurd and, quite frankly, lame. You don't see that do you? More's the pity. After reading them, I kind of feel embarrassed for you. If I had the time, I'd take every point apart but they're just so ridiculous and reaching that it would be a waste of time. It does show an incredible amount of limited thinking on your part. Congratulations.

One movie quote does seem necessary, however.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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Obviously Victor's clothes were made from his own hair. Since he has the healing gene in his DNA it's also in his hair. Healing gene in hair = healing clothes.

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You do realize that every one of your critiques are absurd and, quite frankly, lame. You don't see that do you? More's the pity. After reading them, I kind of feel embarrassed for you. If I had the time, I'd take every point apart but they're just so ridiculous and reaching that it would be a waste of time. It does show an incredible amount of limited thinking on your part. Congratulations.

One movie quote does seem necessary, however.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
You feel embarrassed for me yet you bought multiple tickets to gauge how filled the theaters were You buy a ticket to a showing and watch 15-20 minutes of it and then leave so that you can ponder those 15-20 minutes You are embarrassed for me yet you said you were going to buy tickets for the people who weren't going to buy them here just to spite them You like to make an all day even out of watching one movie that ended up being terrible and yet you feel shame for me...

Yeah, the plot holes I mentioned show my limited amount of thinking You looking over them shows your ability to shut off your brain for 90 minutes and drool over a mediocre film because it has the words 'X-Men' in the title!!!

Pick them apart, you wasted your entire day today watching this movie multiple times and driving around to different theatres to see the crowds but it would take you too much time to rebut the plot holes I listed

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You do realize that every one of your critiques are absurd and, quite frankly, lame. You don't see that do you? More's the pity. After reading them, I kind of feel embarrassed for you. If I had the time, I'd take every point apart but they're just so ridiculous and reaching that it would be a waste of time. It does show an incredible amount of limited thinking on your part. Congratulations.

One movie quote does seem necessary, however.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I agree that there's no need to worry so much about the plot holes (or maybe I'm so excited about gambit in the movie I just don't care). But that's no reason to insult people. Troll.

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Agreed. That post is easily worth a warning at least. This is a plot hole thread, what do you expect? People to say how few plot holes there are?

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Agreed. That post is easily worth a warning at least. This is a plot hole thread, what do you expect? People to say how few plot holes there are?
Change the title of the thread to ALLEGED Plot holes and you guys can go nuts if you want. A few of these points are valid, most are just silly. These things are only in your mind. That some state them with confidence is just sad.

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