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Old 05-04-2009, 09:34 AM   #151
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I agree, in terms of personality, I think that's the best characterization of Wolverine, I imagine it exactly like that when I read the comic books.

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Old 05-04-2009, 09:35 AM   #152
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It isn't just Jackman
Its not even Jackman's fault. It could be Ratner's. Ratner was the director and he directed Jackman in a toned down direction. You might have mixed feelings about Ratner. He gave the X series life on the big screen and decent enough that movies were made that we actually cared about them. But at the same time, Im a big Wolverine fan and what Ratner did was the basis for how the masses would see Wolverine. He made it appealing to both fans and the general public, but people can see that as tweaking Wolverine into another people's favor. Changed just for acceptance and popularity. Yuck.
You forget that the Logan of X1 is very different from the Logan of X2 and X3. In X1, Jackman played the character as a cross between slowly simmering anger at the world and a self-referential cynicist who pokes fun of the typical conventions of superhero films through his dialogue. He changed in X2 to become a much more serious individual, and that type of self-referential humor was toned down.

That's not to say that Ratner didn't change it further (because he did), but the building blocks of the character have been slowly crumbling for a long time now.


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Old 05-04-2009, 09:49 AM   #153
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It's called character development. The cartoon was 1 dimensional. The problem is that the movie Wolverine felt like we were following Wolverine post-X3 rather than pre-X1.

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Old 05-04-2009, 09:52 AM   #154
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It's called character development.
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:59 AM   #155
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It's called character development. The cartoon was 1 dimensional. The problem is that the movie Wolverine felt like we were following Wolverine post-X3 rather than pre-X1.
Not sure if you were responding to me or not, but any of the development Logan went through in this film is reset at the end with the magic adamantium bullet (or the convenient deus ex machina). Character development doesn't work when the character the writer is developing forgets everything he learned in the film. Sure, the audience may know what he's been through, but he doesn't. It's really just lazy writing.

My previous post meant that the character has drifted away from the role as it was (truthfully) portrayed in X1. That was the Logan I thought was the most interesting of the four movies.

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Old 05-04-2009, 10:23 AM   #157
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So...what, are we asking for Dougray Scott?

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Old 05-04-2009, 10:33 AM   #158
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I just want Wolverine written properly again and getting a R rating for the next movie. But since the majority of the general audience seems to prefer good boy and hunky Wolverine, that's never going to happen unless Marvel gets the rights back. And that means we'll probably never get a proper Wolverine Movie.

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Old 05-04-2009, 10:46 AM   #159
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I just want Wolverine written properly again and getting a R rating for the next movie. But since the majority of the general audience seems to prefer good boy and hunky Wolverine, that's never going to happen unless Marvel gets the rights back. And that means we'll probably never get a proper Wolverine Movie.
If Marvel wanted him R-Rated, they would have given him a MAX title.

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If Marvel wanted him R-Rated, they would have given him a MAX title.
R doesn't have to be guts and gore. In his own comics he's killing people all the time and there's actually blood flowing.

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Old 05-04-2009, 11:12 AM   #161
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I want them to stick with Jackman for this character.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:01 PM   #162
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It's called character development. The cartoon was 1 dimensional. The problem is that the movie Wolverine felt like we were following Wolverine post-X3 rather than pre-X1.
Was that for me? About the cartoon?

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:08 PM   #163
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I like Jackman's Wolverine very much. I do, however, look foreward that, when he is done with the role, they will pick a less "Hollywood conventional" looking actor and instead go for a more edgier choice ala Mickey Rourke or Daniel Craig.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:16 PM   #164
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Was that for me? About the cartoon?
Not in terms of his portrayal but that he never evolved in the series. He became one-dimensional as opposed to the film version. For people complaining that Wolverine got too soft by X3, I was saying that it was part of his character arc. He started off not caring about anyone to becoming part of a family. It was his character development. So, of course he would change throughout the three movies.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:41 PM   #165
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I like Jackman's Wolverine. Tho, I do wish that we could see Wolverine cutting loose more like he did in X2 ransacking of the mansion sequence.

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:51 PM   #166
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Hugh Jackman is to Wolverine as Sean Connery is to James Bond. Everyone else who follows will be not as good until someone as to Daniel Craig.

I don't think Dougray Scott would have fared well. He was a really crappy villain in MI2.

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Old 05-04-2009, 01:01 PM   #167
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It still bugs me to see such a tall actor play Logan. I wouldn't mind seeing Freddy Rodriguez(Grindhouse:Planet Terror) to take over the role in future adaptations.

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If Marvel wanted him R-Rated, they would have given him a MAX title.
He had a Marvel Knights book, that's close enough.

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Old 05-04-2009, 02:06 PM   #169
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It's called character development. The cartoon was 1 dimensional. The problem is that the movie Wolverine felt like we were following Wolverine post-X3 rather than pre-X1.
I think you need to re-evaluate what you're saying here. I really do hope that the movie Wolverine had much more depth than a .... saturday morning cartoon show for kids.

Now I'd love for the cartoon to have Wolverine taking a break from the X mansion, rummaging wild in the dark forests looking for his sanity, and hunting & killing wild animals all butt nekked like in his 90s story arcs. But something tells me they werent gunna let the kids on all that goodness.

Wolverine is a tormented tortured soul, who is bestial and still witty. The cartoon showed that. And in the beginning episodes, he's just cool. But throughout the series you begin to realize his faults, what he's going through, his softer side, etc. Hell the guy cried twice in the series. That was the closest portrayal to the comic version I've seen (minus the crying.) The movie version of Wolverine is good, but still Wolverine lite. Its like Wolverine combined with some other character.

Even if the Wolverine from TAS was for a cartoon show for kids, it was still a great representation of the deep character, and you do get to see multiple sides of him in the TAS episodes. Like it or not.

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Old 05-04-2009, 02:13 PM   #170
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Even X-Men Evolution's Wolverine was deeper than this movie's.

(BTW, XME was actually a decent show, even though the first season was kind of blah)

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Old 05-04-2009, 02:22 PM   #171
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I'd like to keep Jackaman as wolverine for as long as he's willing. When he does leave I'd be sad. The thing is, I think it's not his fault "he's getting soft", it's the writers and directors who are having a large impact on Wolverine these days. As an actor, you can only do so much.

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Old 05-04-2009, 03:45 PM   #172
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There is not one interpretation of Wolverine. Heck even in the comics, different writers emphasised different parts of his personality.

Jackman's interpretation is only one of many, but it's the only one put to film.

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Jackman is prefect as Wolverine

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Because he's a military?

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Old 05-05-2009, 10:28 AM   #175
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Hugh Hackman IS Wolverine, just like Sean Connery IS James Bond.

And X1 Wolverine was just a teaser to a bigger better badder sexier warrior. This current movie may not be perfect BUT Jackman is still the perfect actor for the title role.

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