All the hatred towards Transformers...

[Adrian89]

Doesn't it piss you off sometimes? Alot of people seem to moan about Transformers that the story sucks, it's ***** etc

But I think even if the story isn't somewhat, the action scenes always deliver and that's what matters to me if I want to enjoy the movie: to be ENTERTAINING!!

All those nerds who moan that they didn't stick to comics etc who gives a fk about that? Not everyone is reading comics.

[[A]]

I complain because everything Bay touches turns into s**t.. that's all.

[dark_b]

i think hes movies are brainless. but i think a lot of people love those movies in summer. i do like them. and since they make a lot of money others also do it.

[Frank Noir]

dark_b is right. Summer blockbusters tend to be brainless. But what I don't understand is that filmmakers keep clinging to this lousy formula. The Dark Knight was an exception, although I still think it could have been better.

Why is there so much (bad) humour in the Transformers movies? Do people really like that? I for one expect more from a movie than just action scenes. I've gotten a comment that I can't expect an award-winning screenplay for Transformers. I don't want to. I just want a reasonable script with at least half a brain. Is that too much to ask?

People who don't care if the story makes any sense, as long as the action is good, lowered the bar for themselves. I don't care if people want to spend money on that crap, but in my opinion Transformers can be so much more than the current writers have created. Sure, I'll go see TF2 in a good movie theater, enjoying the special FX, but cringing at the horrible one-liners and falling in the Jupiter-sized plotholes.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

[dark_b]

Originally Posted by Frank Noir

dark_b is right. Summer blockbusters tend to be brainless. But what I don't understand is that filmmakers keep clinging to this lousy formula. The Dark Knight was an exception, although I still think it could have been better.

Why is there so much (bad) humour in the Transformers movies? Do people really like that? I for one expect more from a movie than just action scenes. I've gotten a comment that I can't expect an award-winning screenplay for Transformers. I don't want to. I just want a reasonable script with at least half a brain. Is that too much to ask?

People who don't care if the story makes any sense, as long as the action is good, lowered the bar for themselves. I don't care if people want to spend money on that crap, but in my opinion Transformers can be so much more than the current writers have created. Sure, I'll go see TF2 in a good movie theater, enjoying the special FX, but cringing at the horrible one-liners and falling in the Jupiter-sized plotholes.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

i dont know if it was the theater experience. but in my theater everyone was laughing. but i also noticed that when watching comedys people laugh more then at home. interesting.

[def28]

I think the humor is a big reason why most people enjoyed the flick. If it took itself too serious the general audience wouldnt be into it as much. I actually thought alot of the humor worked for the movie. Not all of it, but most.

[shigsy2003]

The only problem I have against Bay is his choice of actors in some of his films: Affleck, Mcgregor and Cage.....

[Mr. Para-Normal]

I noticed most of the complaints comes from the HARDCORE Transformers fans. I am more a a casual Transformers fan( though I know more about Transformers than most causal movie goers) and I think the movies serve their purpose which is to ENTERTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure some of the dialoge and humor can be chessey but jeesh. The Hardcore fans want a dark oscar worthy script about transformers. They really need to chilax like I have stated a few times before HOW SERIOUS DO YOU THINK CAUSAL MOVIE GOERS AND CRITICS ARE GOING TO TAKE A DARK AND SERIOUS TRANSFORMERS MOVIE??????????? Think about it Casual movie goers out number Hardcore transformers fans in most cases. Just saying. This movie is meant to be a summer blockbuster.

[theberserker]

Its a movie based off a 1980's cartoon
How anyone can complain is beyond comprehension.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by theberserker

Its a movie based off a 1980's cartoon
How anyone can complain is beyond comprehension.

it's not beyond comprehension, it's just overblown

I've been a partial defender of this and most of bays other works long enough to learn a few things over the years

it's not beyond comprehension
people just don't like what they don't like and that's fair, other people do

it's these boards and talk backs they allow for people step on other peoples tastes and watching it happen every summer I've begun to find it kinda stupid

Imagine if you liked a girl for what ever reason, she's pretty she's smart or or whatever

how dumb would it be if some dudes started telling you why she's not worth your time and that you probably don't really like her

movies are the definition of escapism and at the end of the day, that's the one thing you yourself can latch onto or not

as far as fans crying bloody murder over their material being "rapped"
I'm sure if the film came out when they were actually 8 and truly into the material they would be just as belligerent towards the spectacle.

that's the second problem with material that has fans grow up, they begin to despise it's simple nature, TF has always been ridiculous, (watch that original movie) there's no denying it, I'm sure it could be made serious and dark but the fact that it's not doesn't mean one all of the sudden has the right to call it on the fact.

I love how bay the kind of excessive cinema is finally doing a genre film that has the potential to be way more over the top then anything in comics or dino movies or buddy cop films
and he's still being called out on his glorifying camera placement..

Then there's the "objective" fans that point out it's flaws "objectively"
the action is to "tight and messy," all the characters look the same and i can't see anything or tell any of them apart. I always ask them what they thought of Saving Private Ryan and other war film Ilk, which is even more chaotic and full of chracters in the same clothes blending into the backgound...I forget their answers
I check the RT reviews for these films and none of them make any mention of character tracking or shaky cam...but 50% have it about transformers
i guess it just served the stories

The robots don't look right...that's because in real life when cars open up they don't grew legs out of thin air, ironically enough it's call realism and realistic cgi = a good reel for ILM

some ppl say the jokes aren't funny, beyond how arrogant it is to claim what tickles ppl or not, my theater and many others were filled with laughter..
some ppl say Dane Cook isn't funny, yet his hbo stadium's seem to be filled with laughter(must be the editing)

I'm going to wrap this up before i get dragged into another TF thread "talk"

I will say this, the hate goes deeper then the objective judgment of this film alone

personally I think the man shoots his films with a sense of scope and power the the general audience subconsciously appreciates, thank goodness he's not wasting his 75mm on buddy cop movies anymore

he imposes his photography skills to the cgi and it yields powerhouse results
-that scene in "DARK B" avatar, any other director (especially Singer) would have the characters colours still on there and it would look like the typical fake usual stuff you see everywhere, in bays world the light hits the cgi as hard as it hits his sun kissed actors.

one day superman will have the sun light hit him as hard as that and I will finally be satisfied.

could the story and character work be better, sure, but does the 9 year old roll his eyes when BB talks though the radio or Optimus says "MY Bad"
no he actually appreciates that he can define what these characters are about...

I wonder how the 9 year old boy feels when Harvey dent starts about about the symantec's of his job or the extradition act of east Asia...

I'd love to see some of these grown men watch Saturday morning cartoons and roll their eyes
it would be kinda stupid.

peace

I'm so happy for batman and Nolan (it was a solid film), but at some point we're going to have to start being honest about why that movie hit a billion.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I hate to say this, but, if Heath Ledger was still alive, TDK would not be as big as it is. You've got to admit that that was one of the main reasons people flocked to the movie.

[Jake Cassidy]

The hatred towards TF is pathetic. I can understand that people don't like it. Fair enough. But some people act as if it's the worst movie ever made. That's ridiculous. There are a hell of a lot of movies 100x worse than TF. People just tend to overexaggerate (sp?).

A lot of people don't go to the movies to think. They go to be entertained and that's exactly what movies like Transformers provide. We don't all have the same tastes or expectations when it comes to movies. Some people take films very seriously, while others just see them as a form of entertainment. I just wish that everyone around here could accept that. Is that too much to ask?

[mehrunis]

umm..the point is us big fans..watched it as a kid we grew up with them and bay ****ed up all the important parts of transformers and made his own series its blasphamy! and his reasons are usually bc i want to (in example of primes flames) sure cheesy 80s humour was funny in the 80's!!! but as i recall bay said this was for the people who grew up with it hmm shudnt that make this more mature and last time i checked it was abt transformers not sam and mikeala save the damned world../end rant

[Marvin]

"the important parts?"

whatever the source material was, the job of the filmmaker is to take as much of it as they see fit and make it relevant in today's market

the ppl who truly hate the flames for example, if the 80's had flames no one would say anything
that's because it's no longer about whats better or worse but rather, the fact it's a change for no reason out side of the man that gets all the blame for the performance of the film thinks it's cooler.(and red doesn't photograph well with bay's heavy processing of actually film)

who gives a **** if the face plate is on or off, personally I would love to see how well Heath ledger would connect with the audience if he had a mask on for the whole film
I'm an animator and i think optimus has a wider range of emotion without it, and then when he's in a fight i notice it pops on..makes sense to me

If the source material for batman was the 60's show would fans hate nolan for what he was doing with making the series relevant for today?
truth is nolan is deviating from the Kanes work in many ways

perhaps if bays deviations were generally "good" it would be praised
then again that box office number and it's subsequent sequel (which will make more) have to count for something...

I just love when critics talk on how silly it all is, when one that original movie is a silly as it gets imo
and two comedies are silly and make no sense at times but no one speaks on it

the movie is trying to do something, the twins are dumb and charming 9 year olds will love it...don't write an essay about how they didn't add to the story and had no real character...

deadpool is blasphemy, through and through, flames are not...

[dark_b]

Originally Posted by theberserker

Its a movie based off a 1980's cartoon
How anyone can complain is beyond comprehension.

i still understand some fans. they have comics now. and they have some better stories.
its not like there is only a cartoon out there from TF.

[Closerframe]

I really don't understand what some people wanted Transformers to be. They complain about the exoskeleton of the robots, but what would you rather have them look like toys out of a cereal box? The comedy provides a balance from all the action sequence that follow each other back to back. At least it wasn't a cheese fest which the new G.I. Joe movie appears to be doing.

[Kahoot]

Originally Posted by theberserker

Its a movie based off a 1980's cartoon
How anyone can complain is beyond comprehension.

It was a toy line first...

I bet you've complained about movies before, DareDevil, Harry Potter, Twilight? They are movies based off comics and books but they still suck. Why does what it's based off make a difference, isn't it all about the story, isn't they why they make movies?

Okay they actually make movies to make money but they wouldn't make said movies if the storys weren't good enough for people to go see them and like them.

[gohei_]

Originally Posted by shigsy2003

The only problem I have against Bay is his choice of actors in some of his films: Affleck, Mcgregor and Cage.....

If you're referring to The Rock, then I have to disagree. That movie is awesome

[Dotten]

Originally Posted by T-101

Doesn't it piss you off sometimes?

No, I just pitty them. Poor souls.

Whining is a profession that really grew with the Internet. It's all about blowing of steam for some, so they actually spend time bashing a film over and over again. I really don't envy the crappy lives one must have to actually find time for doing such things. I just hope they find some more meaning in their life and a positive spin.

And now I'm not talking about the people who just don't like the film. I'm talking about the people actually commited to bashing a film over and over again (not only talking Transformers here, this is related to any film out there). They have my pitty.

[JP]

IMO, the action scenes are just as clustered and brain dead as the limp story.

However, the movie made a bagillion dollars, you got your sequel, and that will also make a bagillion dollars. If you love it and are completely satisfied, then who gives a **** about the people who hate it?

This entire thread seems pointless.

[mehrunis]

no no no.. what im saying is that he messed with his personalities and by the flames i was reffering too, that he makes all these radical changes just because he wants to in disregard for the fans. but i dont feel like flaming after all it is just a movie and you do after all have to consider when u make a movie you want to make money and to make money you need to attract the broadest audience possible without losing money

[epc11223]

Originally Posted by mehrunis

no no no.. what im saying is that he messed with his personalities and by the flames i was reffering too, that he makes all these radical changes just because he wants to in disregard for the fans. but i dont feel like flaming after all it is just a movie and you do after all have to consider when u make a movie you want to make money and to make money you need to attract the broadest audience possible without losing money

i dont think any director intentionally sets out to disregard any fans. i think the directors want to have the liberty to do things with the characters that they feel is right. in the extras for transformers, Bay says how he simply just loved the look of the flames. i think the fans can be too full of themselves and don't want any kind of change to the characters that they grew up with where they see these types of changes as a slap in the face. but its just the directors making these characters fit their own ideology and hopefully making an entertaining movie for the general audience and throwing in some easter eggs for the long time fans. its difficult making everyone happy. the director has to make themselves, the general audience and the fans all happy. But that does not mean that they are intentioally disregarding the fans.

Originally Posted by gohei_

If you're referring to The Rock, then I have to disagree. That movie is awesome

Ditto

[mehrunis]

Originally Posted by epc11223

i dont think any director intentionally sets out to disregard any fans. i think the directors want to have the liberty to do things with the characters that they feel is right. in the extras for transformers, Bay says how he simply just loved the look of the flames. i think the fans can be too full of themselves and don't want any kind of change to the characters that they grew up with where they see these types of changes as a slap in the face. but its just the directors making these characters fit their own ideology and hopefully making an entertaining movie for the general audience and throwing in some easter eggs for the long time fans. its difficult making everyone happy. the director has to make themselves, the general audience and the fans all happy. But that does not mean that they are intentioally disregarding the fans.

agreed you can only hope as a fan you know?

but i have to say this one looks promising i think i can look past the immature humor this time haha

[Steyin]

I don't see the point of the hate. I'm a fan of the original cartoon/toys, but honestly the story from that was no better than what we are getting in the film. To hold the original series to such high standards is a little idiotic to me, but thats just me. I'm perfectly ok with a light, simple plot with humor and sillyness mixed in, its exactly what I remember of the cartoon.

I will agree on the hate of too focus on humans though, as I don't even remember the humans from the cartoon. If there is anything I would want different in RoTF is more focus on the robots.