How would you go about pulling this off?

so-tite · 05-07-2009, 04:01 PM

Say you were a writer (not an editor) on Teen Titans, how would you go about getting the book to reach New Avengers-level sales on a consistent basis? What direction would you take the book in? What plots and stories, as well as per-issue plotting, would you introduce in order for TT to reach that level of sales (New Avengers-level, once again) on a constant basis? In detail, what storylines and characterization would you pioneer that would collectively raise the star power of the team as a whole in order to obtain those type of sales?

Manic · 05-07-2009, 04:20 PM

For Teen Titans to have those kinds of sales numbers, it'd have to have an all-star cast featuring characters that fans love, even if they normally wouldn't have any place in a Teen Titans book. There would then have to be a hugely hyped crossover event where the main characters also happened to be the cast of Teen Titans, fooling readers from that day forward into thinking that they'd have to read Teen Titans just to understand the rest of the DC Universe. Quality can take a backseat; it's all about marketing.

hippie_hunter · 05-07-2009, 06:49 PM

Teen Titans will never reach New Avengers sales levels. The only books that have the potential to do that right now are Justice League of America, Batman, and Green Lantern right now. If they play their cards right Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman could be up there too. I think Flash will, but I think DC is doing a rather poor job promoting Superman and Wonder Woman.

As for Teen Titans, it would need an A-list writer and a decent artist. Along with an all star roster. I would go with Red Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Speedy, Aquagirl, Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, and Red Devil.

so-tite · 05-08-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic

For Teen Titans to have those kinds of sales numbers, it'd have to have an all-star cast featuring characters that fans love, even if they normally wouldn't have any place in a Teen Titans book. There would then have to be a hugely hyped crossover event where the main characters also happened to be the cast of Teen Titans, fooling readers from that day forward into thinking that they'd have to read Teen Titans just to understand the rest of the DC Universe. Quality can take a backseat; it's all about marketing.

So a DCU-wide event that deals with the TT could help the main book reach those numbers? I could see that. But would the book still consistently keep those numbers after the event is over?

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Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

Teen Titans will never reach New Avengers sales levels. The only books that have the potential to do that right now are Justice League of America, Batman, and Green Lantern right now. If they play their cards right Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman could be up there too. I think Flash will, but I think DC is doing a rather poor job promoting Superman and Wonder Woman.

As for Teen Titans, it would need an A-list writer and a decent artist. Along with an all star roster. I would go with Red Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Speedy, Aquagirl, Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, and Red Devil.

If GL and Flash could do it, why not Teen Titans?

sandwraith · 05-08-2009, 09:05 AM

Star power and a comparative Rogue's Gallery for one thing. The whole teen angst thing tends to hold them back alot too. Moreover, several key characters keep changing roles on the team like Starfire going to space...Kid Flash dying...Gar on Doom Patrol...Its hard even with characters like Robin, Supergirl and personal fave Blue Beetle. Maybe its the whole kid sidekick angle. Characters like Zatara, Miss. Martian and Kid Devil aren't exactly drawing fans and with Jericho being such a jerk, its hard to put down a solid team against a solid threat.

Plus, New Avengers has the benefit of being the epicenter of most of Marvel's big events and lots of talented artists. Don't see the Titans doing the same.

Snapper_Carr · 05-11-2009, 09:59 PM

Easy...get George Perez back on the title. The first run of TT wallowed in misery and died a slow death, including the painful-to-read Titans West storyline. Ugh!! Then Marv Wolfman and George Perez took a bad-joke of a team and put them on an X-Men level at a time when comic sales were down across the board.

Perez could draw poop and sell a few hundred thousand copies per month.

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:04 PM

Except, we would only get titans 3 times a year, a la Lo3W.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WompuM

Except, we would only get titans 3 times a year, a la Lo3W.

But wasn't that because of Perez's health, not his actual abilities.

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:18 PM

Hmm... I've heard bits here and there about that. The guy isnt getting any younger though. His prime was 25 years ago.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WompuM

Hmm... I've heard bits here and there about that. The guy isnt getting any younger though. His prime was 25 years ago.

Asides from Legion of Three Worlds just when has Perez faced massive lateness?

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:21 PM

I dont know. Get off my back. Didnt Brave and the Bold take all of 3 years to debut?

Hush · 05-11-2009, 10:33 PM

Was JLA/Avengers late? I think i recall so.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WompuM

I dont know. Get off my back. Didnt Brave and the Bold take all of 3 years to debut?

It was offered to Mark Waid a little over a year and a half before it came out and then a few months later George Perez came on board and then they announced it.

The reason why it debuted later than it should have was because of Mark Waid's work on 52 and George Perez's work on Infinite Crisis, covers, and special projects. It wasn't because of Perez's pace.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/763/763340p1.html

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:38 PM

That's it hippie hunter, you are now the new Thor Odinson.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hush

Was JLA/Avengers late? I think i recall so.

JLA/Avengers was delayed because of George Perez suffering from tendonitis.

Hush · 05-11-2009, 10:48 PM

Still counts. In my mind. It sucks but it still was late.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WompuM

That's it hippie hunter, you are now the new Thor Odinson.

For pretty much backing up my statements that Perez often has a legitimate reason why he's late as opposed to other artists like Jim Lee, Steve McNiven, and Bryan Hitch?

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:50 PM

And BTW what's a Thor Odinson?

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:52 PM

I wish I didn't know. Take a look at the DC, Marvel, and Community threads.

Hush · 05-11-2009, 10:54 PM

Yeah Odinson is a terrible thing.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 10:57 PM

I don't get it

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 10:58 PM

He's the new guy who makes a lot of pointless threads and public groups. A LOT of them.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WompuM

He's the new guy who makes a lot of pointless threads and public groups. A LOT of them.

Then by that definition, calling me a Thor Odinson makes no sense at all

WompuM · 05-11-2009, 11:03 PM

Yes, and yet, it is no less insulting.

hippie_hunter · 05-11-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapper_Carr

Perez could draw poop and sell a few hundred thousand copies per month.

Brave and the Bold sold to some rather disappointing numbers considering the creative team.

05-07-2009, 04:01 PM	#1
so-tite Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	How would you go about pulling this off? Say you were a writer (not an editor) on Teen Titans, how would you go about getting the book to reach New Avengers-level sales on a consistent basis? What direction would you take the book in? What plots and stories, as well as per-issue plotting, would you introduce in order for TT to reach that level of sales (New Avengers-level, once again) on a constant basis? In detail, what storylines and characterization would you pioneer that would collectively raise the star power of the team as a whole in order to obtain those type of sales?

05-07-2009, 04:20 PM	#2
Manic When I say run... Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 34,181	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? For Teen Titans to have those kinds of sales numbers, it'd have to have an all-star cast featuring characters that fans love, even if they normally wouldn't have any place in a Teen Titans book. There would then have to be a hugely hyped crossover event where the main characters also happened to be the cast of Teen Titans, fooling readers from that day forward into thinking that they'd have to read Teen Titans just to understand the rest of the DC Universe. Quality can take a backseat; it's all about marketing. __________________ The Doctor: "SHOUT?! I DON'T SHOUT!! People who have to resort to shouting to get what they want are merely demonstrating the inherent paucity of their argument! It's something THAT I NEVER NEVER--" Peri: "ALRIGHT, DOCTOR!!" The Doctor: "Point made, I think."

05-07-2009, 06:49 PM	#3
hippie_hunter The King is Back! SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Titanium Groceries Posts: 49,983	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Teen Titans will never reach New Avengers sales levels. The only books that have the potential to do that right now are Justice League of America, Batman, and Green Lantern right now. If they play their cards right Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman could be up there too. I think Flash will, but I think DC is doing a rather poor job promoting Superman and Wonder Woman. As for Teen Titans, it would need an A-list writer and a decent artist. Along with an all star roster. I would go with Red Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, Kid Flash, Speedy, Aquagirl, Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, and Red Devil. __________________ Titanium Groceries!!!

05-08-2009, 09:05 AM	#5
sandwraith The Trailblazer Awakens Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,773	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Star power and a comparative Rogue's Gallery for one thing. The whole teen angst thing tends to hold them back alot too. Moreover, several key characters keep changing roles on the team like Starfire going to space...Kid Flash dying...Gar on Doom Patrol...Its hard even with characters like Robin, Supergirl and personal fave Blue Beetle. Maybe its the whole kid sidekick angle. Characters like Zatara, Miss. Martian and Kid Devil aren't exactly drawing fans and with Jericho being such a jerk, its hard to put down a solid team against a solid threat. Plus, New Avengers has the benefit of being the epicenter of most of Marvel's big events and lots of talented artists. Don't see the Titans doing the same. __________________ You're never finished with me...

05-11-2009, 09:59 PM	#6
Snapper_Carr New Old Guy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Very Eastern Asia Posts: 207	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Easy...get George Perez back on the title. The first run of TT wallowed in misery and died a slow death, including the painful-to-read Titans West storyline. Ugh!! Then Marv Wolfman and George Perez took a bad-joke of a team and put them on an X-Men level at a time when comic sales were down across the board. Perez could draw poop and sell a few hundred thousand copies per month.

05-11-2009, 10:04 PM	#7
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Except, we would only get titans 3 times a year, a la Lo3W.

05-11-2009, 10:18 PM	#9
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Hmm... I've heard bits here and there about that. The guy isnt getting any younger though. His prime was 25 years ago.

05-11-2009, 10:21 PM	#11
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? I dont know. Get off my back. Didnt Brave and the Bold take all of 3 years to debut?

05-11-2009, 10:38 PM	#14
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? That's it hippie hunter, you are now the new Thor Odinson.

05-11-2009, 10:50 PM	#18
hippie_hunter The King is Back! SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Titanium Groceries Posts: 49,983	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? And BTW what's a Thor Odinson? __________________ Titanium Groceries!!!

05-11-2009, 10:52 PM	#19
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? I wish I didn't know. Take a look at the DC, Marvel, and Community threads.

05-11-2009, 10:57 PM	#21
hippie_hunter The King is Back! SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Titanium Groceries Posts: 49,983	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? I don't get it __________________ Titanium Groceries!!!

05-11-2009, 10:58 PM	#22
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? He's the new guy who makes a lot of pointless threads and public groups. A LOT of them.

05-11-2009, 11:03 PM	#24
WompuM Esquire Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alan Moore's beard Posts: 11,814	Re: How would you go about pulling this off? Yes, and yet, it is no less insulting.

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