Heres a question, Magneto is Jewish and a Mutant?

[TheVelvetOnion]

Im not overly smart about Jewish Religion, but my question really is what does Magneto believe in? because here we have a guy who was brought up and rediculed for being a Jew by the nazis yet he is a Mutant, and thus he believes is the superior race... over homosapians.

So at the moment im a bit confused. I havent really studied Jewish religion, i was brought up with the understanding of christian religion but like everyone else i know we simply do not pratice it. Or more favour science over faith...

I know this topic is quiet controversal but it also brings me to Nightcrawler, being a mutant, one looking like a demon and yet being a christian or catholic... it baffles me how people link faith as something that does not believe in evolution, yet we have characters in the x-men world that simply defy this?

Anyone else confused or can offer an explination?

[MrWayne]

i dont think he has faith in any religion at this point or maybe at any other point after wat he has been through in his life.. to him there is just God maybe? and mutants are the next evolution in Gods plan.. i dont think he has a faith in one any sect but more of a faith or belief in himself as Homo superior

[TheVelvetOnion]

I figured he just lost faith when his faith was what caused his parents to be killed.

I still ponder about nightcrawler though.

[Bruce Malone]

It is particulary his experiences being jewish and the holocaust that have lead him to the views he has about humanity. If humans could have the ability to mass murder their own kind over difference such as religion or ethnicity what hope would there be for mutants who are essentially a different species?

[neemer5]

He's Jewish in the cultural, not religious sense.

[the a1ant]

Ditto.

[Shaolin Kenobi]

Magneto doesn't celebrate Christmas.

[sabetoonth]

mags beleives that muntants have no hope for true survu=ival if thinghs lke the holocaust hapen in the same speces

[BillyZaned]

according to the old testiment, the jewish people considered themselves to be the superior race, and they showed that by wipping out tribes and cities during the 40 years in the dessert. Mosses was a warlord basically, controlling a group of warriors that killed millions of people, and not just men, but women and children.. he also recruited tribes into the jewish faith to fight along with him... to me, Magneto in these films has always been a reflection of moses

[sabetoonth]

i never knew that, i mean stuff like jericho but that was under moses' successor

[Silver Samurai]

I am Catholic, so I can address your comments on Nightcrawler.

Christian faith, properly understood, is not at all incompatible with evolutionary science. The Church has consistently held that the theory of evolution, whether true or false, does not preclude the existence of a creator God. Indeed, Catholicism holds that no fact which is scientifically demonstrable can contradict religious truth. Catholics therefore do not regard faith and reason as being in conflict, but rather as being complimentary. Only fundamentalist Christians denounce evolution as false on faith-based grounds. Nightcrawler is Catholic, not a fundamentalist, hence he most likely has no problem accepting evolutionary theories regarding the origins of mutants' abilities.

As for Magneto, he is ethnically Jewish. I am not aware that he has ever proclaimed to believe in the religion of Judaism. Certainly, the Jewish faith would not seem to fit his character as the utilitarian, mutant supremacist arch-nemesis of the X-Men.

[SuperFerret]

Originally Posted by Silver Samurai

I am Catholic, so I can address your comments on Nightcrawler. Christian faith is not incompatible with evolutionary science. The Church has consistently held that the theory of evolution, whether true or not, does not preclude the existence of a creator God. Only fundamentalist, Protestant Christians denounce evolution as false. Nightcrawler is Catholic, not a fundamentalist, hence he probably has no problem accepting evolutionary theories regarding the origins of mutants' abilities.

What he said.

Nevermind the fact that in a comic book world, both religion and science have more to explain than in the real world. Consider this, how does the church feel about Thor?

[BT18]

Originally Posted by BillyZaned

according to the old testiment, the jewish people considered themselves to be the superior race, and they showed that by wipping out tribes and cities during the 40 years in the dessert. Mosses was a warlord basically, controlling a group of warriors that killed millions of people, and not just men, but women and children.. he also recruited tribes into the jewish faith to fight along with him... to me, Magneto in these films has always been a reflection of moses

umm, what? What part of the old testament does Moses have warriors kill people ?

[C. Lee]

Originally Posted by BT18

umm, what? What part of the old testament does Moses have warriors kill people ?

NUMBERS Chapter 31 is a good start -

Chapter 31
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[sabetoonth]

Originally Posted by Silver Samurai

I am Catholic, so I can address your comments on Nightcrawler.

Christian faith, properly understood, is not at all incompatible with evolutionary science. The Church has consistently held that the theory of evolution, whether true or false, does not preclude the existence of a creator God. Indeed, Catholicism holds that no fact which is scientifically demonstrable can contradict religious truth. Catholics therefore do not regard faith and reason as being in conflict, but rather as being complimentary. Only fundamentalist Christians denounce evolution as false on faith-based grounds. Nightcrawler is Catholic, not a fundamentalist, hence he most likely has no problem accepting evolutionary theories regarding the origins of mutants' abilities.

As for Magneto, he is ethnically Jewish. I am not aware that he has ever proclaimed to believe in the religion of Judaism. Certainly, the Jewish faith would not seem to fit his character as the utilitarian, mutant supremacist arch-nemesis of the X-Men.

i read a quote from pope john paul II about religion and science
"Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes."
as for mags being religously jewish, th jewish people beleive themsleves the chosen people of god, the only thing mags seems to change in that belief is that muntants are the chosen superior race

[SuperFerret]

Originally Posted by sabetoonth

i read a quote from pope john paul II about religion and science
"Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes."
as for mags being religously jewish, th jewish people beleive themsleves the chosen people of god, the only thing mags seems to change in that belief is that muntants are the chosen superior race

I like that quote, a hell of a lot. Reminds me of this one: "All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree." - Albert Einstein