Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...

[nintendo nerd]

Originally Posted by KalMart

Lots of movies do that. The Star Wars prequels weren't exactly universally loved by all Star Wars fans. But then, it didn't suffer the kind of pride-bruising embarrassment of not continuing on while others did....which kinda' has a way of exacerbating things.

Maybe because they know, there won't be anymore Star Wars films. Or because they have to follow certain continuity. But Superman on the other hand is a different beast. There has been dozens of interpretations and everyone of us wants something different.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

But this happens EVERY SINGLE THREAD! When Wiseman said how much SR sucked, I suddenly became Casandra of Troy. First, comes the statement, "SR sucks", then comes "SR was great, critics liked it, it made more money that Batman Begins" then "Batman Begins had a smaller budget, SR was 270million" then "It wasn't 270, 70 of it was spent on previous versions, and the marketing sucked" and it keeps going and going and going like a coked up Energizer bunny.

Holly f**k I love this post.

[Superark]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

But this happens EVERY SINGLE THREAD! When Wiseman said how much SR sucked, I suddenly became Casandra of Troy. First, comes the statement, "SR sucks", then comes "SR was great, critics liked it, it made more money that Batman Begins" then "Batman Begins had a smaller budget, SR was 270million" then "It wasn't 270, 70 of it was spent on previous versions, and the marketing sucked" and it keeps going and going and going like a coked up Energizer bunny.

you are the man!

This is actually an interesting thread/topic that can be discussed yet the hater/supporters of SR always let battles get in the way

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by nintendo nerd

Maybe because they know, there won't be anymore Star Wars films. Or because they have to follow certain continuity. But Superman on the other hand is a different beast. There has been dozens of interpretations and everyone of us wants something different.

I think it's a combination of fan-pride being hurt, the harsh realization of familiarity not automatically meaning popularity, and envy....over one's favorite character, who's supposedly the 'hero of heros', not being the cat's meow in a peak time for comic-movies. All groups of fans have differences within their own communities.....but when they're all left in the dust, they need someone to blame. Sometimes the nearest one is the most convenient. Other times you try and pick a demon. For a group of German socialists in the 1930's, it was the Jews. Today, it could be Western civilization as a whole.....or maybe just a movie studio.

[dark_b]

whait a minute. TS will bomb?

i need to whait 2 weeks(Sony)

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl

Are you still sure that there's not a place for Superman?

Watchmen
Production Budget: $150 million
Domestic: $107,483,804 58.8%
+ Foreign: $75,225,483 41.2%
= Worldwide: $182,709,287

Terminator Salvation
Production Budget: $200 million
Domestic: $56,382,000

Superman Returns after its first week-end did $66,795,937
I wonder if it's really impossible to imagine a better performance for the supposed "Man of Steel".

"Watchmen will do great!"
"Terminator Salvation and its sequels will do billions. Superman is useless".
At this point if the Hobbit failed, at WB they would be in trouble.

It's clear that they have canned the Superman franchise without a single good reason, and I wonder if now (after that a TS sequel is not sure anymore) there is a place for it.

Shush ITA-KAL EL
Everybody knows that WB's decision to release the next POtter movie this years instead of nov. '08 was because of the (feared) performance of Watchmen and Terminator. I'm sure other people saw that as well. There are very few movies that are sure fire blockbusters before they're even released. Recent examples of this are 300 , Transformers and Star Trek. Although movies may look good when thy're being promoted by releasing clips , trailetc etc , in the end you really don't need how a movie might perform untill the movie actually is released . Watchmen and Terminator fall in that last category. I think it was the summer of 2006 when WB really felt the absence of movies like Potter with so many of their high profile movies not making the $$$ ( Superman Returns and Poseidon). So naturally they learned their lesson.

Summer '08 started bad for WB with Speed Racer bombing financially however they got their money with TDK's success. Because the Potter movies have always been a goldmine for WB ( so much so that they can cancel the negative BO results from other movies) , i feel that WB's doesn't need to worry about Supermans return just to compensate losses .

2009-2010-2011. 3 years with a Potter movie being released each year.
There was talk that WB was trying to release superhero movies fone franchise 3 years apart so that would've meant that we'd see the next Batman movie in 2011. But given that Nolan is doing Inception ( which judging from reports seems to be a bigger picture then the small-scale Prestige ) for a summer 2010 release , my guess is that next Batman movie will come out in 2012.

Although we haven't heard nothing from WB regarding an active development for a Superman sequel , WB could technically release the next Superman movie in 2013.
However personally i'd rather seem them release the next superman movie in 2012 IF at least Batman 3 is also released in 2012 simply going by the logic that Batman 3 will most likely perform very well.
2011 could've also been a good year but WB is releasing the last Potter movie in July , Green Lantern in June and Happy Feet 2 in November. The first superman movie also came out in december if i'm not mistaken but IMO WB should be smart enough not to screw up their own movies by releasing them so lose to each other. Happy Feet performend very well during the nov.-dec period.

It's really a question of how WB wants the Superman sequel to be but i it's anything like Superman Returns , the audience wo'n't flock to the movies. You need to have that fun/entertainment factor that made moives like the POTC trilogy , Transformers & spider-man such a such a FINANCIAL success/

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by dark_b

whait a minute. TS will bomb?

Not if a whole lot of moviegoers suddenly start liking it a lot, spreading good word of mouth as to how good it was, and get more people to go see it. Of course, the movie will have to do its part first.

[dark_b]

Originally Posted by matrix_ghost

It's really a question of how WB wants the Superman sequel to be but i it's anything like Superman Returns , the audience wo'n't flock to the movies. You need to have that fun/entertainment factor that made moives like the POTC trilogy , Transformers & spider-man such a such a FINANCIAL success/

i hope it will be an entertaining and fun movie.

[Ita-KalEl]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

:facepalm

Do you people really think this changes in anyway WB's viewpoint on Superman Returns? Really?

Superman Returns? We are discussing about the Superman franchise.

[Ita-KalEl]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

But this happens EVERY SINGLE THREAD! When Wiseman said how much SR sucked, I suddenly became Casandra of Troy. First, comes the statement, "SR sucks", then comes "SR was great, critics liked it, it made more money that Batman Begins" then "Batman Begins had a smaller budget, SR was 270million" then "It wasn't 270, 70 of it was spent on previous versions, and the marketing sucked" and it keeps going and going and going like a coked up Energizer bunny.

I repeat: we are talking about the future of the Superman Franchise (sequel or reboot), not about Superman Returns.
I know that you don't like this thread, but do we have only to talk about the "casting" of the supposed reboot forever?
Till yesterday filmnerdjamie wrote that Summer 2011 is occupied by the T:S sequel. I wonder only if it has changed and if there is a chance that someone at WB can think that maybe Superman can be reintroduced in less than 3 years.

[matrix_ghost]

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl

I repeat: we are talking about the future of the Superman Franchise (sequel or reboot), not about Superman Returns.
I know that you don't like this thread, but do we have only to talk about the "casting" of the supposed reboot forever?
Till yesterday filmnerdjamie wrote that Summer 2011 is occupied by the T:S sequel. I wonder only if it has changed and if there is a chance that someone at WB can think that maybe Superman can be reintroduced in less than 3 years.

2011 could've also been a good year but WB is releasing the last Potter movie in July , Green Lantern in June and Happy Feet 2 in November.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I've been of the opinion for the past 2 weeks that Salvation would under-perform and this would be it for the franchise. Increasingly advanced "Meh!" word-of-mouth mixed with the insane popularity and success of Star Trek.

That said, I still thought it would at the very least win the weekend box-office (i.e. around $75 million!)

[dark_b]

i guess good word of mouth and realese date really matters

[Superark]

Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie

I've been of the opinion for the past 2 weeks that Salvation would under-perform and this would be it for the franchise. Increasingly advanced "Meh!" word-of-mouth mixed with the insane popularity and success of Star Trek.

That said, I still thought it would at the very least win the weekend box-office (i.e. around $75 million!)

So do you think this might give Superman more of an opening for 2011 now?

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by nintendo nerd

Its hard not to mention SR, because the fan base is so divided. It's not like if everyone loved/hated the film. This is the first time I've seen a movie doing that.

There seems to be a similar pattern in the TS thread. There are a lot of 7, 8, and even the occasional 9/10s, but also quite a few people saying "This movie stunk! I'm glad it's the end of the series."

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl

I repeat: we are talking about the future of the Superman Franchise (sequel or reboot), not about Superman Returns.
I know that you don't like this thread, but do we have only to talk about the "casting" of the supposed reboot forever?
Till yesterday filmnerdjamie wrote that Summer 2011 is occupied by the T:S sequel. I wonder only if it has changed and if there is a chance that someone at WB can think that maybe Superman can be reintroduced in less than 3 years.

Maybe. Didn't Jamie say that WB met with Singer as late as November 08 to discuss a sequel to SR? The disappointment of TS could get them thinking about it again.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

Maybe. Didn't Jamie say that WB met with Singer as late as November 08 to discuss a sequel to SR? The disappointment of TS could get them thinking about it again.

But then, the disappointment of SR could make them think twice. It's kinda' tough to ask someone to compensate for something disappointing with something a little less disappointing.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl

I repeat: we are talking about the future of the Superman Franchise (sequel or reboot), not about Superman Returns.
I know that you don't like this thread, but do we have only to talk about the "casting" of the supposed reboot forever?
Till yesterday filmnerdjamie wrote that Summer 2011 is occupied by the T:S sequel. I wonder only if it has changed and if there is a chance that someone at WB can think that maybe Superman can be reintroduced in less than 3 years.

Or they might use 2011 for a Terminator reboot...since they already have the slot.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

TS has nothing to do with the Superman franchise.

The fanboys are really reaching this time.

[nintendo nerd]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

There seems to be a similar pattern in the TS thread. There are a lot of 7, 8, and even the occasional 9/10s, but also quite a few people saying "This movie stunk! I'm glad it's the end of the series."

I think is the hype and the excitement of a new Terminator movie and seeing it on the big screen that so many people are praising it right now. But IMO in a couple of months fans will realise it was as bad as T3 ( haven't seen the movie,though). Something similar happened with Spider - man 3 and FF2, when they were just realeased people were loving those films, at the spidey forums some were even saying it was the best of the trilogy and giving it 9 and 10.

But SR was released 3 years ago!!!! And we are still talking about it the same way, there's no ending. IMO the only way this will be over is if they announce a reboot with Brandon Routh on the leading role. That way people that hated the movie probably will get the film they wanted and the ones who loved it, at least get to see Routh again. At least Iknow I would be happy.

[KalMart]

Originally Posted by nintendo nerd

I think is the hype and the excitement of a new Terminator movie and seeing it on the big screen that so many people are praising it right now. But IMO in a couple of months fans will realise it was as bad as T3 ( haven't seen the movie,though). Something similar happened with Spider - man 3 and FF2, when they were just realeased people were loving those films, at the spidey forums some were even saying it was the best of the trilogy and giving it 9 and 10.

But SR was released 3 years ago!!!! And we are still talking about it the same way, there's no ending. IMO the only way this will be over is if they announce a reboot with Brandon Routh on the leading role. That way people that hated the movie probably will get the film they wanted and the ones who loved it, at least get to see Routh again. At least Iknow I would be happy.

I don't think there should be any intent to 'appease' some of this and some of that. If it's a reboot...then it's a completely new start leaving everything in the past...in the past. The new movie should be taken as it is and judged/accepted only on what it does and establishes going forward. If it's not Routh, then it just isn't...it's a different story anyway. the less ties it has to prior versions, even in casting, the better for it to start fresh.

[Mostpowerful]

Originally Posted by nintendo nerd

But SR was released 3 years ago!!!! And we are still talking about it the same way, there's no ending. IMO the only way this will be over is if they announce a reboot with Brandon Routh on the leading role. That way people that hated the movie probably will get the film they wanted and the ones who loved it, at least get to see Routh again. At least Iknow I would be happy.

Me too.

Originally Posted by KalMart

I don't think there should be any intent to 'appease' some of this and some of that. If it's a reboot...then it's a completely new start leaving everything in the past...in the past. The new movie should be taken as it is and judged/accepted only on what it does and establishes going forward. If it's not Routh, then it just isn't...it's a different story anyway. the less ties it has to prior versions, even in casting, the better for it to start fresh.

Well, nintendo, myself and many others think differently than you, and no matter what you say, we are not going to change our minds. We like what we like, just like you, Kalmart. You really seem to want to change people's minds..

[NeoRanger]

But SR was released 3 years ago!!!! And we are still talking about it the same way, there's no ending. IMO the only way this will be over is if they announce a reboot with Brandon Routh on the leading role. That way people that hated the movie probably will get the film they wanted and the ones who loved it, at least get to see Routh again. At least Iknow I would be happy.

The only way this will be over is if we FINALLY get a new Superman movie. I highly doubt any serious Superman fan will still be arguing over SR after another film has been released-- unless, of course, it ends up sucking worse. But unless that's the case, Routh or no Routh, SR will get stuck in the past like all things, you know, over and done are supposed to be; then we'll finally be done with this.

The main reason why Routh's still in the running is because they like him, not because you do.

[NeoRanger]

You really seem to want to change people's minds..

By GOD, you're right! I can see the subliminal message all over that post of his. KalMAAAAAAAART!

[Excel]

Terminators failure clearly doesnt come as a shock to W.B. The argument would be "Well, they pushed Batman from 2011 to 2012 so T5 could go there, now thats not happening", however Warners DID just move Green Lantern to summer 2011. With Harry Potter winding down, here is W.B. 's tentative schedule, atleast that I can forsee. Again, like 2010, they can and will pull a film out of their ass ala "Inception" and make it as a tent pole, but heres the way it looks.

2010: Inception
2011: GreenLantern
2012: Batman
2013: Green Lantern
2014: Green Lantern

GL could go in either 2013 or 2014; IF Superman is going to be on the big screen any time soon, all signs point to one of those years. Knowing W.B., 2013 looks like the earliest.

However, next thing you know, we'll be hearing about a "Matrix Rebooted" film instead.

Originally Posted by KalMart

If Obama's presidency turns out to be a bust.....should the US re-elect George Bush? Is there a place for George Bush in our future?