If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

Nightwing1983 · 06-06-2009, 04:21 PM

This may look like kind-of a silly post, but bear with me: sometimes people like to solve disputes regarding the direction the reboot should go in by noting something similar about the other person's idea and comparing it to Superman Returns and then, making it all about the film's commercial failure. To me, this misses the point, but now I'd like to ask the board a question. If Superman Returns was a hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I'm talking about if it made a billion dollars and there was a sequel coming out this summer, would that be good or bad?

dark_b · 06-06-2009, 05:03 PM

i think if SR was a hit then there would be more SR fans.

i think some comic fans look at the BO a lot. like it tells them if a movie is good or not.

if SR was a hit it would be good IMO. we would get a superman villain so more action. a new superman is always good.

KalMart · 06-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Good because Supes fans would have a sequel and wouldn't feel left out of the party like they do now.

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

FilmNerdJamie · 06-06-2009, 05:12 PM

*Sigh*

Any film that churns out $200 million can be safely labeled as "a hit" at the very least. The problem is the film only broke even in theatres and was projected to do a Helluva lot more by both the box-office analysts and WB's own people. That and audiences were "iffy" about the film.

Said it before (and I guess I'll have to say it again), Singer opting to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio during what was supposed to be his prep-time for the next Superman film is what ultimately started all the problems that led to no direct sequel to Returns happening.

Assuming it met (or exceeded) its box-office projections, it would have been a good thing...for the studio. Why? People want escapist entertainment now more than ever and a Superman sequel (yes even with Singer going all "Wrath of Khan") would have resulted in strong numbers. Plus, it would have faced no real competition in June save for the Transformers sequel and repeat business from Up and Star Trek.

dark_b · 06-06-2009, 05:25 PM

well at least TS will get a sequel

ohhhhh i forgot he he he he

Nightwing1983 · 06-06-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KalMart

Good because Supes fans would have a sequel and wouldn't feel left out of the party like they do now.

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

Well, I don't feel left out of the party, because I'm not concerned about the party. The fact that it would continue the story from SR makes the lack of sequel insignificant to me.

KalMart · 06-06-2009, 05:37 PM

I think some of the sentiment is that if SR had been a raging success, this inactivity...be it because of not wanting to continue or letting things fall to the wayside because of circumstances...could have been avoided, as there would be even more emphasis to get it out one way or another. They might not have let things hold them back as much, even if it meant going with another director, etc. Whatever the case, I'm glad...from a creative standpoint...that SR didn't continue. I'm certain there's a better direction to go with Supes, and I don't mind waiting. And even if there's never another Supes movie in my lifetime, I'll always have STM for what it was.

KalMart · 06-06-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightwing1983

Well, I don't feel left out of the party, because I'm not concerned about the party. The fact that it would continue the story from SR makes the lack of sequel insignificant to me.

So....how DO you feel about there being no Supes movie around now? Are you okay or indifferent about it?

Nightwing1983 · 06-06-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KalMart

So....how DO you feel about there being no Supes movie around now? Are you okay or indifferent about it?

Disappointed, but I'd gone 19 years without it before the film came out, and I could go another 19 years. After all, I was disappointed that there was no Superman films but plenty of scary rumors in 1997. I was even more disappointed when there was a Superman film in 2006 and certain rumors came true.

After all, the way I see it, I've got seventy-one years of stuff to tide me over.

dark_b · 06-06-2009, 05:45 PM

if you dont like SR and if you dont have a problem that after 20 years you still dint get a superman movie then i guess you dont need one.

Nightwing1983 · 06-06-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dark_b

if you dont like SR and if you dont have a problem that after 20 years you still dint get a superman movie then i guess you dont need one.

Right. But if they're going to make one, I would hope it would be along the lines of what I wanted. The reason I got so obsessed with a reboot is that I wanted to say, "hey, Superman is not what you see in this film." After the film started to become a distant memory, I began to lose that sense of urgency.

Yet, I'd still love to see one; I just feel that if takes the character somewhere he shouldn't be, it's not worth it, no matter how popular he becomes.

dark_b · 06-06-2009, 05:58 PM

i think it would not be worth it if it was like Catwoman or batman & robin. or dark like batman returns.
but the SR movie or sequel would not be so bad for the character.

Nightwing1983 · 06-06-2009, 06:01 PM

Well, I think it would because of the kid, but I'm sure this board is more of a "sequel board" and that the overall climate here reflects a need to continue.

BenReilly · 06-06-2009, 06:12 PM

Personally, I think it's miracle that Superman Returns was even made.

dark_b · 06-06-2009, 06:16 PM

we need a miracle now.

I SEE SPIDEY · 06-06-2009, 06:33 PM

It would be a bad thing to me because I didn't like the flick and I've always wanted a reboot.

I hate using that f**king word but what are ya going to do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie

*Sigh*

Any film that churns out $200 million can be safely labeled as "a hit" at the very least. The problem is the film only broke even in theatres and was projected to do a Helluva lot more by both the box-office analysts and WB's own people. That and audiences were "iffy" about the film.

Said it before (and I guess I'll have to say it again), Singer opting to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio during what was supposed to be his prep-time for the next Superman film is what ultimately started all the problems that led to no direct sequel to Returns happening.

Assuming it met (or exceeded) its box-office projections, it would have been a good thing...for the studio. Why? People want escapist entertainment now more than ever and a Superman sequel (yes even with Singer going all "Wrath of Khan") would have resulted in strong numbers. Plus, it would have faced no real competition in June save for the Transformers sequel and repeat business from Up and Star Trek.

I thank my lucky stars that Singer decided to bail on this franchise too. I know you and others will disagree and you know I'm not gloating or anything.

FilmNerdJamie · 06-06-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY

you know I'm not gloating or anything.

Absolutely.

mego joe · 06-06-2009, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightwing1983

Right. But if they're going to make one, I would hope it would be along the lines of what I wanted. The reason I got so obsessed with a reboot is that I wanted to say, "hey, Superman is not what you see in this film." After the film started to become a distant memory, I began to lose that sense of urgency.

Yet, I'd still love to see one; I just feel that if takes the character somewhere he shouldn't be, it's not worth it, no matter how popular he becomes.

Agreed 100%.

DChero · 06-07-2009, 03:44 AM

I caught a little vagueness in your poll. Outside of having yes or no questions to a "good or bad" poll, you knew I'd catch you. The second option could almost become a debate in itself.

I personally enjoyed Superman Returns, but even if I didn't it wouldn't be due to money. I'd like to think that my perspective on a possible sequel would be strictly story and/or production based. The money just reflects the audience as a whole.

I'm extremely torn as to what I want in the next Superman movie. I liked most of the cast from Superman Returns, the production work, most of the story, etc, though I can also get interested in seeing an origin. The only time I'd be negative about a prospective idea is with a movie in which we jump in and have the feeling of "here's Superman fighting, we assumed you knew the rest." I hate when that's done. It seems like there are a lot of writers that don't respect the mentality of their audience.

I don't know, it's difficult when you want to take all of your favorite pieces and put them together, yet you can't because it probably wouldn't work within a strong story.

dark_b · 06-07-2009, 03:54 AM

i also like Bradon as superman. he looks like superman to me. so thats also a bad thing.

but i hope that the next actor will also be great.but i am not expecting an oscar winner or a reeve clone. i actual dont think that Brandon looked always like reeve.

matrix_ghost · 06-07-2009, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KalMart

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

Truth

Nightwing1983 · 06-07-2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DChero

I'm extremely torn as to what I want in the next Superman movie. I liked most of the cast from Superman Returns, the production work, most of the story, etc, though I can also get interested in seeing an origin. The only time I'd be negative about a prospective idea is with a movie in which we jump in and have the feeling of "here's Superman fighting, we assumed you knew the rest." I hate when that's done. It seems like there are a lot of writers that don't respect the mentality of their audience.

Well, to me, I always felt that any sequel to the first two that would come out so many years later would be expected to fudge a few things, which was the main crux of what I wanted. I haven't ruled out a new origin, but if you can start from an X-factor of your choice, rather than starting from 0 or a number you find too high, then it's just more fun.

But as for the vagueness, well, it is vague, but it's not meant to be all-encompassing. It's really more a question of priorities. I wouldn't have even put in the third option, except I felt that it was germane to show how many people just wanted a normal sequel to the last film.

DChero · 06-07-2009, 12:51 PM

I guess what I'm essentially saying is that I don't want just one movie. If we are going to start over then I believe it would be best to start at the beginning and work our way out.

By simply jumping to the sequel to a new origin it seems like the writers are limiting themselves. As much as I didn't like his philosophy of the character, I do admire Mark Millar for thinking on more of a grand scale.

Webhead2006 · 06-07-2009, 12:53 PM

Yea if its a new start we should see a new begining, middle, and end and not try and say hey this film is meant to go along with this film......

NotFadeAway · 06-07-2009, 01:13 PM

No character is in need of a reboot more than Superman.

Sorry Fantastic Four and Daredevil fans.

View Poll Results: Would it be good or bad if SUPERMAN RETURNS was a hit with a sequel on the way?
Yes: any new Superman movie is better than no Superman movie.	9	25.00%
No. My problems with Superman Returns are way beyond money.	17	47.22%
Forget you, I like the movie and want a sequel.	10	27.78%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

06-06-2009, 04:21 PM	#1
Nightwing1983 Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 344	If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? This may look like kind-of a silly post, but bear with me: sometimes people like to solve disputes regarding the direction the reboot should go in by noting something similar about the other person's idea and comparing it to Superman Returns and then, making it all about the film's commercial failure. To me, this misses the point, but now I'd like to ask the board a question. If Superman Returns was a hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I'm talking about if it made a billion dollars and there was a sequel coming out this summer, would that be good or bad?

06-06-2009, 05:03 PM	#2
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? i think if SR was a hit then there would be more SR fans. i think some comic fans look at the BO a lot. like it tells them if a movie is good or not. if SR was a hit it would be good IMO. we would get a superman villain so more action. a new superman is always good.

06-06-2009, 05:12 PM	#4
FilmNerdJamie The Mod You Deserve SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Between the Moon, New York City & your sister Posts: 7,639	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Sigh Any film that churns out $200 million can be safely labeled as "a hit" at the very least. The problem is the film only broke even in theatres and was projected to do a Helluva lot more by both the box-office analysts and WB's own people. That and audiences were "iffy" about the film. Said it before (and I guess I'll have to say it again), Singer opting to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio during what was supposed to be his prep-time for the next Superman film is what ultimately started all the problems that led to no direct sequel to Returns happening. Assuming it met (or exceeded) its box-office projections, it would have been a good thing...for the studio. Why? People want escapist entertainment now more than ever and a Superman sequel (yes even with Singer going all "Wrath of Khan") would have resulted in strong numbers. Plus, it would have faced no real competition in June save for the Transformers sequel and repeat business from Up and Star Trek. __________________ Think McFly Think Last edited by FilmNerdJamie; 06-06-2009 at 05:20 PM.

06-06-2009, 05:25 PM	#5
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? well at least TS will get a sequel ohhhhh i forgot he he he he

06-06-2009, 05:45 PM	#10
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? if you dont like SR and if you dont have a problem that after 20 years you still dint get a superman movie then i guess you dont need one.

06-06-2009, 05:58 PM	#12
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? i think it would not be worth it if it was like Catwoman or batman & robin. or dark like batman returns. but the SR movie or sequel would not be so bad for the character.

06-06-2009, 06:01 PM	#13
Nightwing1983 Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 344	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Well, I think it would because of the kid, but I'm sure this board is more of a "sequel board" and that the overall climate here reflects a need to continue.

06-06-2009, 06:12 PM	#14
BenReilly Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,218	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Personally, I think it's miracle that Superman Returns was even made.

06-06-2009, 06:16 PM	#15
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? we need a miracle now.

06-07-2009, 03:44 AM	#19
DChero Out of Work Superhero Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 422	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I caught a little vagueness in your poll. Outside of having yes or no questions to a "good or bad" poll, you knew I'd catch you. The second option could almost become a debate in itself. I personally enjoyed Superman Returns, but even if I didn't it wouldn't be due to money. I'd like to think that my perspective on a possible sequel would be strictly story and/or production based. The money just reflects the audience as a whole. I'm extremely torn as to what I want in the next Superman movie. I liked most of the cast from Superman Returns, the production work, most of the story, etc, though I can also get interested in seeing an origin. The only time I'd be negative about a prospective idea is with a movie in which we jump in and have the feeling of "here's Superman fighting, we assumed you knew the rest." I hate when that's done. It seems like there are a lot of writers that don't respect the mentality of their audience. I don't know, it's difficult when you want to take all of your favorite pieces and put them together, yet you can't because it probably wouldn't work within a strong story. Last edited by DChero; 06-07-2009 at 03:49 AM. Reason: My late-night spelling problems

06-07-2009, 03:54 AM	#20
dark_b Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 40,930	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? i also like Bradon as superman. he looks like superman to me. so thats also a bad thing. but i hope that the next actor will also be great.but i am not expecting an oscar winner or a reeve clone. i actual dont think that Brandon looked always like reeve.

06-07-2009, 12:51 PM	#23
DChero Out of Work Superhero Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 422	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I guess what I'm essentially saying is that I don't want just one movie. If we are going to start over then I believe it would be best to start at the beginning and work our way out. By simply jumping to the sequel to a new origin it seems like the writers are limiting themselves. As much as I didn't like his philosophy of the character, I do admire Mark Millar for thinking on more of a grand scale.

06-07-2009, 12:53 PM	#24
Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 39,735	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Yea if its a new start we should see a new begining, middle, and end and not try and say hey this film is meant to go along with this film...... __________________ Warner Bros Restructure's Dc comics into DC entertainment. Hopefully more characters and long in developmental hell projects can make it into the big and small screens soon. Marvel and the House of Mouse? www.ItsJustMovies.com

06-07-2009, 01:13 PM	#25
NotFadeAway Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Mirror Universe Posts: 5,375	Re: If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? No character is in need of a reboot more than Superman. Sorry Fantastic Four and Daredevil fans. __________________ LOST- 2004-2010: "The most important part of your life was the time you spent with these people. " Best comic film of all time. The Dark Knight Rises! Last edited by NotFadeAway; 06-07-2009 at 01:13 PM. Reason: ffff

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