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Old 06-16-2009, 04:27 PM   #101
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You know,I just love it how when people get upset over someone in a movie barely having dialog or none at all that they think you can't find out something out about the character in a non verbal way,I guess that has never occured to you The VileOne. You can find out quite alot about someone even if they aren't talking and/or at least have some idea(s) of them. Ie Ravage would be a good example from TF:ROTF. It's like thinking deaf people have no personality just because they can't exactly talk normal like the rest of us. I will admit,that I too of course when it comes to lack of dialog at times in a movie become unhappy,but I never forget that visuals alone can tell stuff about someone without talking being involved.

Personally,I will be happy with any characterization through speaking that we can get from Transformers in the movie and of course none speaking characterization moments.


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Old 06-16-2009, 05:38 PM   #102
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Not to be the stick in the mud here (and I'm sure I'm the only one that thinks it) but TDK was, IMO, far from the perfect blend. It's more like attending a lecture than watching a movie. A well made lecture, but no chance you could just slap it in when you're having a drink with some mates and enjoy it. Great to watch when you're into it, but listening to the entire cast spoon feeding most of their dialogue about honor and all that crap to me is a total snoozefest if I'm not in the mood.

Now to me, Batman Begins had it's entertainment/serious tone in balance.

EDIT: Well, seems I'm not the only one.
I thought both Batman movies were heavy-handed with the dialogue. Batman Begins practically beats the viewer over the head with a damn sledghammer with the "fear" theme.

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Oh here we go again.

I didn't think the action in Transformers was that good, sorry. Since all you could see was a bunch of rolling robot parts.

People let there fandom make them delusional.
Agreed. Michael Bay has always been horrible when it comes to creating a coherent action scene. From what I've read in the reviews he still hasn't improved in that regard.

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I thought the action was great in the first one, but I kinda get why some don't like it. I had no problem telling who was who, either.

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Never understood the whole "I can't tell what's going on" thing. No, you can't see every little piece of every Transformer clearly, but you should be able to tell what's going on.

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Its cute you can call me one of the few chaseter, but its hard to get invested when the Autobots and Decepticons barely had any characterization and all and most of them did very little in the movie.

Yeah, God forbid people thought some of the action in other movies was better put together.
It's cute when you don't give examples. The movie was about Sam, Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron. Everyone else is a supporting character. We learned a lot about the the Autobots and we learned a lot about Starscream and Megatron. Why do we need to learn about some of the Decepticons? Why do we need to learn about Skorpinok's struggles or Devastator's past

Nobody said action in other movies wasn't better put together The action in the first movie was fine, some thought it was awesome but few thought it sucked....which is what I said.

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People ***** way too much about the fighting in Transformers.

Could it be that maybe, by watching the battles and not understanding them, it could be a sign that you need some glasses? You know, they have new HD lenses now.

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And knowing is half the battle.

But never give 'em the stick.

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Never understood the whole "I can't tell what's going on" thing. No, you can't see every little piece of every Transformer clearly, but you should be able to tell what's going on.
I don't know what was so incoherent about the action in Transformers. I've seen incoherent action (I'm looking at you Batman Begins), and there was nothing incoherent the sequences in the first TF flick, IMO.

If anything, the way it was shot helped hide any of the spotty CG spots, though there were VERY few of those.

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The first thing we should say about Transformers 2 is that, unlike the first Transformers movie, the film delivers. ROTF is everything that the first Transformers film should have been. The action is solid and well filmed, the plot makes sense, the comedy is actually funny and kept to a minimum and Optimus Prime is actually the Optimus Prime we remember.

In the first movie Optimus came off as something of a bungling weakling. He couldn’t stand up to Megatron one on one and he dropped Sam and Michaela when he was monkeying around under the bridge. Prime would never drop humans.

In this movie we get the real Optimus Prime, as is shown in the film’s opening scene where Prime takes on a Decepticon at least five times his size in China. Prime battles Megatron one on one and dominates like he should, then he takes on everyone else that happens to be around.

For those who remember listening to Stan Bush’s ‘The Touch’ and cheering as Optimus decimated the ranks of the Decepticons in the original Transformers the Movie, that’s the Prime we get in Revenge of the Fallen.


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Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen
Reviewer: Nick de Semlyen - EMPIRE

A notable moment occurs during the dementedly frenetic final act of Transformers 2. A robot-on-robot fracas is unfolding around Egypt’s Giza Necropolis, with Devastator, an especially massive mechanoid comprised of several construction vehicles, set on clawing its way to the peak of a pyramid. As it lumbers up the dusty colossus, a shot tilts up to its mid-section, revealing two wrecking balls dangling down. Yes, Michael Bay, the man who brought us cyber-micturition in this movie’s predecessor, has one-upped himself: Decepticon testicles.

If the thought of that gag makes you laugh, chances are you’ll have a ball with Revenge Of The Fallen. If not… well, Bay really doesn’t care. His first and only sequel since Bad Boys 2 is, like that film, marked by swaggering confidence, wild excess and a string of bad-taste jokes. Dogs hump each other, robots hump human legs and the camera spends so much time ogling Megan Fox’s torso you start to wonder if it’s being operated by a 13 year-old boy. There are now 42 robots, including one that looks like a jaguar, one that can turn into ball bearings to access high-security areas and one in the form of a Dyson vacuum cleaner.

It all looks good on paper, as does the added-value 150-minute run time. But it’s a case of same meal, bigger portion, with the flaws of the first not only present but accentuated. You’ll be even more hard pressed at the end of this one to remember which robot’s which — there are three or four new Gremlin-esque ones that chitter and skitter about like the first movie’s Frenzy — and few get more than a scene before Bay’s attention flits elsewhere. Even the Fallen, an Emperor figure to Megatron’s Darth Vader, who can hurl tanks around with the aid of his jagged staff, is only blandly nefarious.

The plot, meanwhile, is as baffling as before, not only bringing back the abstruse Allspark but throwing in a new MacGuffin called the ‘Matrix of Leadership’. It tries harder to be funny but is actually less so, despite Shia LaBeouf working some early new-kid-on-campus schtick, Rainn Wilson amusing in a single scene as a rock-star astronomy teacher, and John Turturro doing an entertaining reprise of MIB wannabe Simmons (“What you’re about to see is top secret: do not tell my mother”). This is a film that doesn’t know where to stop — even comic-relief characters get their own comic-relief characters, like the offensively irritating Twins, who bicker in hip-hop slang, or Wheels, a turncoat Decepticon who for some reason talks like a ‘30s screen gangster.

What saves it, just about, are the effects. At times the frame is so packed with whirring cogs and twirling cranks that you could replicate the effect by staring at the innards of a domestic appliance, but when these CG moto-men from another world duke it out, the images are often so screwy it’s impossible to do anything but sit and stare. The Shanghai-set opening sequence is lunatic fun, with Optimus Prime leaping onto the face of a colossal, rampaging unicycle and ordering it to, “Pull over”. And while Prime’s later forest face-off against a trio of Decepticons suffers by comparison to a recent film’s spar between a big ape and three dinosaurs, there are more flawlessly rendered money shots in the last 40 minutes alone than in a dozen less ambitious blockbusters.

It’s just a shame there aren’t more ideas behind the spectacle, since we’re not given much in the way of compelling reasons to root for one pixelly pugilist over another. Long before the final minute it’s become a numbing, wearying viewing experience. Next time could we have less balls and more brains?

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A super-sized second helping, but the novelty factor and some of the charm’s gone. Hey, at least there’s more Megatron / Starscream squabbling this time round.

*** 3 Stars

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Old 06-16-2009, 08:30 PM   #112
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To quote Optimus Primal ..."NOW THAT'S JUST PRIME" !!!! I can't wait for ROTF now .
Optimus Prime from the cartoons had been around for several seaons..this is like the first time he's interacting on this new planet. He may be good at what he does on Cybertron, but he's walking on eggshells in the first movie because he doesn't want to cause too much wanton destruction. In part two, the humans know what he's about, so he cuts loose.

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I don't know what was so incoherent about the action in Transformers. I've seen incoherent action (I'm looking at you Batman Begins), and there was nothing incoherent the sequences in the first TF flick, IMO.

If anything, the way it was shot helped hide any of the spotty CG spots, though there were VERY few of those.
A lot was also shot from the vantage point of a human and seeing towering robots fighting was part of the theme of the movie. Michael Bay isn't the best of the best but he does do some things good. I never once went...hey what is going on during the first movie

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Optimus Prime from the cartoons had been around for several seaons..this is like the first time he's interacting on this new planet. He may be good at what he does on Cybertron, but he's walking on eggshells in the first movie because he doesn't want to cause too much wanton destruction. In part two, the humans know what he's about, so he cuts loose.
Optimus in the first film had one great scene as the badass warrior he is known as in the mythology . And that was his fight with Bonecrusher . His fight with MEGATRON was pathetic. He was thrown around like a ragdoll by Megatron , that's not Prime . Now that preview clip of the forest battle PRIME vs. MEGATRON in ROTF, Optimus appears to not only to be holding his own against Megs, Starscream & Blackout. But he's doing it with style .

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"I was a kid and had transformers in my hands, I would act out cool scene and fake cannons and nothing along the lines of discussions of the complexities of existence

here we have a film that is nothing more then that and but in many cases it is too little to late

we have grown up and now we have nothing but contempt for our younger selves and thier idea of fun"

if we were all kids again, I wonder what kinda debates we'd be having now

how much ass can optimus kick in 20 mins no doubt

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Man I love TDK.........I'm sorry, what were you saying?
TDK is the best Summer movie blockbuster of 08 . ROTF Will be The Best in 09

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Come on guys,are you trying to get my thread closed? This is a TF:ROTF
related thread not Spiderman 3,Harry Potter 6,or TDK. If you want to talk about those 3 movies take it somewhere else please.


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To quote Optimus Primal ..."NOW THAT'S JUST PRIME" !!!! I can't wait for ROTF now .

also from that same review..(i think this whole review was a good read as well)

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So what makes Transformers Revenge of the Fallen the movie that the first Transformers should have been? Firstly, as stated, Optimus Prime doesn’t have his character watered down. He’s brave, he’s tough and he’s willing to take on the entire Decepticon army if need be. Secondly there are no stupid character inconsistencies used to further the plot, like in the first film when the US military took the All Spark to a populated city for extraction.

The relationship between Shia and Megan is well played and the two have genuine chemistry, even if some of Shia’s lines towards Megan wouldn’t work in the real world. I certainly won’t be taking relationship advice from him.

The editing on the Transformers is much slower, meaning you can see what’s going on during the action and not lose track of which bot is which. That was a problem in the first Transformers.

Michael Bay has probably produced his best work in Revenge of the Fallen, and assured Transformers fans that there will be a third movie, probably in 2011.

^^ but i guess he's in a minority as well.....cuz according to some of u...the fighting scenes could be seen just fine....


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Is it really that serious.. are u reallly that concern???
Yes. It is that serious. And yes. I am concerned.

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So me saying that I will really like ROTF but will probably love HBP was deletion worthy? Someone said that ROTF would be the best movie of 09...I disagreed

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Reviewer: Nick de Semlyen - EMPIRE

A notable moment occurs during the dementedly frenetic final act of Transformers 2. A robot-on-robot fracas is unfolding around Egypt’s Giza Necropolis, with Devastator, an especially massive mechanoid comprised of several construction vehicles, set on clawing its way to the peak of a pyramid. As it lumbers up the dusty colossus, a shot tilts up to its mid-section, revealing two wrecking balls dangling down. Yes, Michael Bay, the man who brought us cyber-micturition in this movie’s predecessor, has one-upped himself: Decepticon testicles.



*** 3 Stars

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Yes. It is that serious. And yes. I am concerned.

Stay on topic, please.

1. have done that and

2. post wasn't address to you....????

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Well 2 summers ago the Silver Surfer was given a shiny package clearly visible. Why can't a robot have balls?

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