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Old 07-22-2009, 10:46 PM   #101
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^What laws have Superman broken?
I just finished reading some of the classic stories from 1939-1940, and based on those, I'd have to say:

-Trespassing
-Vigilantism
-Breaking & entering
-Assault & battery
-Grand Larceny

...at least!

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Old 07-22-2009, 11:55 PM   #102
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^What laws have Superman broken?
Vigilantism.

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Old 07-23-2009, 09:20 AM   #103
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I just finished reading some of the classic stories from 1939-1940, and based on those, I'd have to say:

-Trespassing
-Vigilantism
-Breaking & entering
-Assault & battery
-Grand Larceny

...at least!
At that time perhaps, but you are focussing on one year out of seventy.

Re. vigilantism........
Being vigilant is not a crime........however
a vigilante.........by definition somebody who punishes lawbreakers personally rather than relying on the legal authorities, is.
How does that apply to Superman?

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Old 07-23-2009, 09:51 AM   #104
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Also didn't the newer comics have him be authorised by the Metropolitan Police in some way? Plus I don't know if it's official but I think the JLA have some sort of international backing. Possibly also American. I could be wrong. Is he still part of that? If not there's the U.N. and the Federal Government that could give him authorisation in some things. Although does insurance pay out act of supervillain or hero payments?

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Old 07-23-2009, 11:01 AM   #105
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a vigilante.........by definition somebody who punishes lawbreakers personally rather than relying on the legal authorities, is.
How does that apply to Superman?
The strict definition is one who defies the law to further justice. Violence is not a requirement. There are plenty of cases where the cops "should" have been the ones to handle things, but Supes ends up doing all the work.

It's a bit tricky to interpret since he's superpowered, but by definition he fits the criteria.

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Old 07-23-2009, 12:51 PM   #106
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Superman in 1939-1940 was agressive.

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Old 07-23-2009, 02:44 PM   #107
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Vigilantism.
Somehow real-life "superheroes" like Master Legend get away with it.

If I were Superman, I'd argue I was making a citizen's arrest:

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I guess we should assume Superman hasn't violated anyone's civil rights yet.

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Old 07-23-2009, 02:46 PM   #108
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Also didn't the newer comics have him be authorised by the Metropolitan Police in some way? Plus I don't know if it's official but I think the JLA have some sort of international backing. Possibly also American. I could be wrong. Is he still part of that? If not there's the U.N. and the Federal Government that could give him authorisation in some things. Although does insurance pay out act of supervillain or hero payments?

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I wouldn't be surprised if the writers decided to cover Superman's behind that way.

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Old 08-09-2009, 03:24 PM   #109
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A receptive audience that is not hell-bent on rehashing what it has already seen before.

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Old 08-11-2009, 10:36 AM   #110
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How about making a story set in the future? Or in the past, for that matter. But it may not be possible to create a completely new story unless the surroundings are completely changed.

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Old 08-11-2009, 02:49 PM   #111
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Yeah have the movie take place in 2000 in a futuristic world.

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Old 08-11-2009, 04:53 PM   #112
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:25 PM   #113
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if Iron man with a haggard Downey Jr and a leatherfaced comeback king Mickey Rourke can excite people with that leaked footage, then there is no reason why Superman cannot do the same.

For starters, the cinematography, and everything needs to be spectacular.

It has to be greater than The Dark Knights. Whoever comes on board needs to film in IMAX, make it an event that the general audience cannot afford to miss.

Also, the colors need to be crisp and clear, bright reds and bright blue.

No need for the 50s style color pallette that was in Superman Returns.
I mean, technically, Superman Returns visually was perfect for its directors own vision, was was a sort of 50s style color scheme with muted stylings and schemes.

But the general audience didn't seem overly enthusiastic.

So to bring Superman into the 21st century.
Give him an epic battle with an enemy, some fist fighting.
We need to see beatiful flying scenes, around earth, in space, close up shots, visual shots that will make your gonads drop.

Take a leaf out of Kubricks 2001 for how to concentrate on objects and bob will be the uncle and fanny the aunt. We want to see Superman take off in full view, not from the waist up, and floating like he is being held by a string.

In superman returns we didn't get a single decent take off scene, Superman 3 wiped the floor with it, thats how rubbish they were!

A must is also to film in IMAX for specific battle scenes just to give the fanboys and geeks some mild excitement, and force them into IMAX like The Dark Knight.

Preferably hire Vangelis to do the score, especially since it seems they won't want to use the John Williams score themes. I see no other person worthy of making a score to match Williams other than the God himself, Vangelis!

Please.

If we get all those, the big bucks will come rolling in. I would bet Megan Fox's underwear on it.

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Old 08-11-2009, 06:53 PM   #114
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Movie was like it took place in 1950s.

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Old 08-11-2009, 07:00 PM   #115
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some nice points u bring up daywalker.

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Old 08-11-2009, 10:19 PM   #116
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WTF does RDJ's "haggard" face and MR's "leather" face have to do with anything?

People are excited about the footage because the footage was good and the first movie was damn good fun so we are hoping for seconds.

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Old 08-11-2009, 10:25 PM   #117
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Superman doesn't need reinvention. He needs compeling and fun storytelling.

Superman needs to be shown right for once on the big screen. And when i mean right, i mean the themes, the story needs to lift us and show us how one man can make a difference. We need to leave the theaters feeling damn good about being humans and how everyone on earth is special and worth saving: 'Cause if an alien cares so much about us and is willing to sacrifice everything for us, then we all should.

We need to leave the theaters feeling we all can fly. We can all be better if we chose to. THe neverending battle.

This is what Superman does to me.

If we are able to believe in the american dream as portrayed by norman rockwell, in the human spirit and capacity for greatness, than the filmakers have done their job right.

That's all we ask.

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I to hope they next time around make it a more well rounded film with better themes, include the better known/liked comic elements, etc.....

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Preferably hire Vangelis to do the score, especially since it seems they won't want to use the John Williams score themes. I see no other person worthy of making a score to match Williams other than the God himself, Vangelis!
Interesting suggestion. But, as much as I like Vangelis too, he is completely wrong for this kind of movie. A Superman movie, which is about a character larger than life, needs big epic music of a kind that Vangelis cannot or will not produce, not even when he's in symphonic mode. "Mythodea" was close, but would not fit in a movie.

No, they need to bring back John Williams, or someone of his grandness.

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Well now with siegels getting more of the origin elements they have alot more to work with if they do take the character away from wb/dc comics. Though really would majority of supes fans want to see a 60-70% superman at another company compared to 100% supes at dc???? Could it be as sucessful as the character has been or would it ultimately fail?

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Old 08-14-2009, 10:39 PM   #122
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What Is Needed To Bring Superman Into The 21st Century?

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Yea wb/dc need a better laywer at this rate.

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Old 08-15-2009, 05:40 AM   #124
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As I've been saying it's called make a deal.

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Old 08-15-2009, 06:57 AM   #125
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It saddens me to think that SR could be the last time we see Superman on film as we know him.
I really hope an agreement is reached between the parties so that can be avoided.

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