Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[Dark Knight]

Some (especially Bay fans) are content with the way Bay targets the lowest common denominator of the general movie audiences intelligence in his films.

Others are just completely insulted by what he does and are not fooled.

[SsM]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

I was talking with a friend yesterday who had just saw the movie and he liked it despite the flaws. As we were talking he brought up some valid points about people whinning and complaining about the film and the humor. First the humor that is in this movie is also in Movies like 40 year old virgin, Superbad, etc. People love The Hangover but it as a guy in a man thong it the first 5 mintues or so of the movie and FULL male nudity later on the naked Asian guy in the trunk of the car. Even Family guy has immature and sometimes in bad taste jokes on the show as well. But this movie has that kind of humor in and all of a sudden its a crime and awful etc. Well you should hate all the movies and show that I mention above. I know the haters will come with bs saying that this is a action movie or whatever but still the humor is the same as some other movies. ( I like the family guy and the movies that was listed FYI).

Second the general public seems to love these movies because FIRST and Foremost they are meant to entertain NOT to be taken SUPER SERIOUS like you haters would anyalze every aspect of it. The general public does not see this movies solely for a story they see them to be entertained and to watch Robots fight each other. Its kind of like people who saw the new friday the 13th movie they just wanted to see people get killed. That movie had a paper thin story and was top at the box office. Sure this movie had plot holes but NO movie is perfect. Even the Dark Knight had plotholes and things that were not really nesscary. Example Gordon says Two- Face killed 5 people but they NEVER show or mention WHO those 5 people were. We only see Two- Face kill 2 maybe 3 people (We dont know if Maroni survived the car crash). Also the Hong kong scenes while cool were not really nesscary to the overall story. Lou was just a minor character, Also the the Resse arch with him finding out that Bruce was batman really could have been cut they could have waited and used that story arch for the 3rd movie. I also would have liked to have know a little bit of the Jokers background/ Origins we get two different stories from the joker but who knows which is the truth lol. ( And yea I know its from the killing joke graphic novel).

So you see any movie can be nitpicked and analyzed if you WANT to look for things to complain and whine about. The Transformers movies may be chessy and have flaws with the story but I enjoyed it and so did LOTS of other people as well. 200 million at the box office is very strong and it shows that people didnt care what the critics said about the movie ( The movie got HUGE applause at both sold out showings that I went to over the weekend). The movie dosent take its self seriously it should be obvious by the humor it meant to ENTERTAIN people!! Haters lighten up not every movie has to be like a oscar contender or a dark knight to be good. End Rant!!

This argument isn't valid at all, all of these were marketed as DIRTY COMEDIES.

If The Hangover was marketed as a big summer action movie, I would have been pretty pissed with what I got.

[Dark Knight]

Well I'll be seeing Public Enemies and taking my nephews to see Ice Age 3 before I see Transformers 2 again in the theater thats for damn sure.

[BlackLantern]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Some (especially Bay fans) are content with the way Bay targets the lowest common denominator of the general movie audiences intelligence in his films.

Others are just completely insulted by what he does and are not fooled.

...but I would only accept that from Michael Bay....if Michael Mann or Coppola was directing Transformers and made the exact same film, I'd be so pissed

as the internet and information gets out there, we all of a sudden care about who's directing this or who's writing that and some people like to use that to damn a film before during and after its release...I find it a bit unfair sometimes but that is how it is

[Godman]

Originally Posted by Nathan

He scanned a Military F-22, not some stunt plane. Military Jets aren't very colorful.

And what's with all the Soundwave ****ing in here? So he doesn't sound exactly like the G1 version. Big whoop. I thought it actually sounded better.

Soundwave was just underused and undeveloped like the rest of the title characters, the TRANSFORMERS.

Ur correct about the colors not being bright reds etc so why not a shade of green and tan? Just something TOTALLY different from Megatron. The designs are diff but not as unique as Optimus vs Bumble bee

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Originally Posted by SsM

This argument isn't valid at all, all of these were marketed as DIRTY COMEDIES.

If The Hangover was marketed as a big summer action movie, I would have been pretty pissed with what I got.

I know but just because this marketed as a action movie it can't have comedy? There is a Action/Comedy genre like Rush Hour. The movie used the same kind of jokes that the other comedies used and people liked it so its a problem here because its an action movie?

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

I know but just because this marketed as a action movie it can't have comedy? There is a Action/Comedy genre like Rush Hour. The movie used the same kind of jokes that the other comedies used and people liked it so its a problem here because its an action movie?

no because it wasnt funny.

Im all for raunchy humor as long as its funny where in ROTF IMO it was not

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

I know but just because this marketed as a action movie it can't have comedy? There is a Action/Comedy genre like Rush Hour. The movie used the same kind of jokes that the other comedies used and people liked it so its a problem here because its an action movie?

There's probably a better horse to strap your wagon to than the Rush Hour films...

[SsM]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

I know but just because this marketed as a action movie it can't have comedy? There is a Action/Comedy genre like Rush Hour. The movie used the same kind of jokes that the other comedies used and people liked it so its a problem here because its an action movie?

Yeah, I understand but the movies you quoted (with the exception of FG) are all R rated, dirty comedies with NO action.

TF doesn't need that much comedy.

[BlackLantern]

Originally Posted by Episode29

There's probably a better horse to strap your wagon to than the Rush Hour films...

agreed...I wouldn't use the Rush Hour films as an argument for or against anything

[Godman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

I know but just because this marketed as a action movie it can't have comedy? There is a Action/Comedy genre like Rush Hour. The movie used the same kind of jokes that the other comedies used and people liked it so its a problem here because its an action movie?

was there ever a full 5 mins of serious moments in Transformers without some kind of humerous aspect to the dialogue or scene? The Matrix had Humor and so did The Dark Knight, but u wouldn't call them action comedies and neither should transformers b. Transformers should have had more of Bay's The Island feel where it's a serious enough tone with a few chuckles. Not a comedy that has action like Rush Hour. When I watched the cartoons I never got a feel of Rush Hour AT ALL. These are supposed to be seriously toned WAR based themes more on the lines of The Matrix, Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings Indiana Jones which is full of humor but never strays from the concept behind his explorations with depth.

Even Harry Potter takes it's self more serious than Transformers 2

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by BlackLantern

...but I would only accept that from Michael Bay....if Michael Mann or Coppola was directing Transformers and made the exact same film, I'd be so pissed

as the internet and information gets out there, we all of a sudden care about who's directing this or who's writing that and some people like to use that to damn a film before during and after its release...I find it a bit unfair sometimes but that is how it is

Hmm....or we can say that yeah, Michael Bay knows what the "general movie going public wants to see" and made a Transformers film that attracts that audience.....so does that mean Michael Bay knows his audience are naive and like to see a stupid lame stuff in his films?

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by Godman

Harry Potter takes it's self more serious than Transformers 2

Heck, Crank: High Voltage practically takes itself more seriously than Transformers...

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Originally Posted by Blackman

no because it wasnt funny.

Im all for raunchy humor as long as its funny where in ROTF IMO it was not

I like movies like 40 year old virgin, Superbad etc but some of the jokes in those movies were not funny or didnt work in my opinion. Like the jokes in the hangover with alan in a man thong and the naked guy in the trunk of the car pieces were not funny in my opinion. And the guy in American pie sticking his penis in a pie was cringe worthy in my opinion.

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

And the guy in American pie sticking his penis in a pie was cringe worthy in my opinion.

Too close to home, huh...

[Blackman]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Too close to home, huh...

[BlackLantern]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Hmm....or we can say that yeah, Michael Bay knows what the "general movie going public wants to see" and made a Transformers film that attracts that audience.....so does that mean Michael Bay knows his audience are naive and like to see a stupid lame stuff in his films?

either or?? I know that BO really doesn't reflect the quality of a film...but the first one grossed about 720 mil and this one has scored over 200 mil already....Bay probably sees it as "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and Im sure Paramount and Dreamworks feel the same way

on a side note....if no one here has not seen either Frost/Nixon or Good Night and Good Luck, you are missing out

[SsM]

Good night and Good luck is one of my favorites. Haven't had a chance to catch Frost/Nixon

[BlackLantern]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

And the guy in American pie sticking his penis in a pie was cringe worthy in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Episode29

Too close to home, huh...

damn....I watched an interview with Jason Biggs and he talked about that scene and how he didn't want to do it at all and his agent told him "You **** that pie, you **** the **** out of that pie" I can't be mad at that

[Mr. Para-Normal]

lol nope it was more like what??? why would anybody do something that stupid. Rush hour was something that poped in my mind it was one of the first movies that I saw that was marketed as a action comedy movie. The 3rd one was AWFUL though.

[BlackLantern]

Originally Posted by SsM

Good night and Good luck is one of my favorites. Haven't had a chance to catch Frost/Nixon

Good Night and Good Luck is a near perfect film IMO....cast is great, David Straitharn(sp?) blows it out of the water, I can't say enough good things about it

[SsM]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

lol nope it was more like what??? why would anybody do something that stupid. Rush hour was something that poped in my mind it was one of the first movies that I saw that was marketed as a action comedy movie. The 3rd one was AWFUL though.

TF isn't marketed as an action/comedy. It is marketed as a full blown ACTION movie with bit comedic parts.

[Blackman]

I liked all the Rush Hour movies...The 2nd was the best

[Mr. Para-Normal]

All I am saying is the humor is immature and chessy but hey some people like it. In both showings of the movie I saw the audience burst out laughing at every joke. I am not saying a laughed at everyone but sometimes its fun to let go and relax and laugh at immature jokes lol.

[SsM]

Originally Posted by Mr. Para-Normal

All I am saying is the humor is immature and chessy but hey some people like it. In both showings of the movie I saw the audience burst out laughing at every joke. I am not saying a laughed at everyone but sometimes its fun to let go and relax and laugh at immature jokes lol.

I understand your point but you seem to be missing mine, If I want to relax and laugh, I'm going to a COMEDY, not an ACTION movie.