Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread - Page 73

The Guard · 07-01-2009, 01:13 PM

Why not both on some level.

A common trick of film is that comedy or lighthearted moments are often used to alleviate tension (I've never understood why this is particularly neccessary, save for people's sensitivities at a fictional event). This is an incredibly tense, loud and fast movie. Is there a perfect balance of humor and tension? No, but there is something at work here. They didn't just put comedy into the movie for the hell of it in most places.

Colossal Spoons · 07-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Exactly. I'm a huge fan of that "Stiffler" comedy but it had no place in a TF movie, IMO. The jokes in the 1st movie were perfect.

Blackman · 07-01-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Colossal Spoons

Exactly. I'm a huge fan of that "Stiffler" comedy but it had no place in a TF movie, IMO. The jokes in the 1st movie were perfect.

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BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guard

Why not both on some level.

A common trick of film is that comedy or lighthearted moments are often used to alleviate tension (I've never understood why this is particularly neccessary, save for people's sensitivities at a fictional event). This is an incredibly tense, loud and fast movie. Is there a perfect balance of humor and tension? No, but there is something at work here. They didn't just put comedy into the movie for the hell of it in most places.

It's because you're such an intense guy

The Guard · 07-01-2009, 01:27 PM

No, I'm serious, though. Can audiences like, not handle the intensity of fictional events?

SsM · 07-01-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Colossal Spoons

Exactly. I'm a huge fan of that "Stiffler" comedy but it had no place in a TF movie, IMO. The jokes in the 1st movie were perfect.

I agree. They had something pretty decent going on in the first one but decided to blow it out of proportion.

Primal Slayer · 07-01-2009, 01:33 PM

Why were there so many Decepitcons and so few Autobots? And it was weird that the Autobots couldnt do half the things the Dcons could.

Saint · 07-01-2009, 01:35 PM

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I disagree. I think you're simplifying it to make your point. And I get where you're coming from, but while there's not a lot here, there's a lot more than "skeleton" here. It would be like me saying that because Bruce and Rachel's "love scenes" only last a few minutes each, and there are only a few of them, that there's no love story, or point to the love story in THE DARK KNIGHT.

I don't agree that the situations are comparable. The distinction is that though the actual romance is scarce, it drives at least part of the films. Besides the Macguffin, very little drives Transformers.

And, of course I was simplifying, but you understand the point.

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Surely an entire cadre of Transformers fans, many of them die-hards, could/would/should have some idea what they would like to see beyond "Sam Witwicky and The Matrix of Leadership", right?

I don't know. That's not my qualm.

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I don't think it's neccessary for the end result they wanted, which is Dent being out of the picture, Gotham feeling hopeless, and Batman on the run. I think it does a disservice to the mythos a bit.

But does it work? Yes. It serves as the logical, realistic conclusion to his "I won't kill" arc in THE DARK KNIGHT. The reality of the situation is, he probably couldn't avoid doing so, and not see innocents suffer.

Now, I prefer a Batman who, morality notwithstanding, may actually be flawed in the sense that he doesn't realize how much his inability to kill potentially harms Gotham.

But yes, it works.

We largely agree.

BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guard

No, I'm serious, though. Can audiences like, not handle the intensity of fictional events?

well I see it as movies are supposed to be an all encompassing experiences, well at least the good ones, and in some cases you do get movies that are super intense all the way through....and some don't call for that....I don't think a movie about giant robots calls for wall to wall intensity

AVEITWITHJAMON · 07-01-2009, 01:37 PM

Saw this again, yesterday, thought it was still amazing, going to see it again tonight.

BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Primal Slayer

Why were there so many Decepitcons and so few Autobots? And it was weird that the Autobots couldnt do half the things the Dcons could.

I liked it...even in the cartoons the Autobots were always outnumbered....its that whole "fighting against the odds" type thing

GhostPoet · 07-01-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLantern

I liked it...even in the cartoons the Autobots were always outnumbered....its that whole "fighting against the odds" type thing

Only in this movie...the autobots are apparently completely worthless for the most part and need the humans to survive.

Humphrey Bogart · 07-01-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLantern

damn....I watched an interview with Jason Biggs and he talked about that scene and how he didn't want to do it at all and his agent told him "You **** that pie, you **** the **** out of that pie" I can't be mad at that

That is hilarious...

BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 01:44 PM

I seem to remember the few episodes I saw of Beast Wars and even Armada that there were always more Decepticons than Autobots

SsM · 07-01-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLantern

I seem to remember the few episodes I saw of Beast Wars and even Armada that there were always more Decepticons than Autobots

Armada started out with like three Autobots, every time they would get a new autobot, the decepticons seemed to get two new soldiers.

The Guard · 07-01-2009, 01:57 PM

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I don't agree that the situations are comparable. The distinction is that though the actual romance is scarce, it drives at least part of the films. Besides the Macguffin, very little drives Transformers. And, of course I was simplifying, but you understand the point.

Yes, I understand your point. But there are different kinds of stories. Some stories have the main characters mostly reacting to things, and some have characters actually doing things to drive the story forward, and in some, there's a combination of elements. I think this is the latter. In this story, the characters do things based on a discovery, and then, in the course of them doing things, they discover more things that they must react to and make decisions about that inform their next actions. The basic stories of REVENGE OF THE FALLEN is Sam's quest to discover his role in the Transformers struggle, and the Decepticon's revenge (Mikaela's bit is in there, as is the government stuff, and there's a small subplot with Sam's parents, which is mostly tied to Sam's "leaving home and growing into his role" element). And there are very clear "drives" to both stories. Sam drives his own story for the most part (although he doesn't get to choose his route) as do Megatron and the Decepticons. The main issue I have with it is that everything is painted in broad strokes, so the story ends up feeilng a bit haphazard. Which it almost had to, or it would feel even more contrived.

What do you mean by there being nothing that drives the story? There are several elements that do. Do you mean they never crystallize a reason for Sam to doubt himself and his role in the struggle early on, therefore it sort of comes out of nowhere?

I think there's a decent balance of Sam's actions driving the story, though, him reacting to changing story elements, and moving forward through the story. It's the pieces of the story that are the problem. The shard imprinting itself on Sam's mind isn't a terrible idea, if an over the top one. Most of the story unfolds fairly logically, until The Tomb of the Primes which is just, it feels like the writers ran out of ideas and needed a roadblock to give the characters. Even that scene, though, has some value, in the crumbling Matrix and Sam's rededication to his quest. And after that, random or not (which makes it a bit more realistic, I think), obstacles feel fairly genuine, given the story that's been built around them.

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I don't know. That's not my qualm.

I know. I keep hoping someone else will chime in. People scream foul, but then when you ask "What would be better in terms of the actual storyline", there's nary a peep.

GhostPoet · 07-01-2009, 01:58 PM

I could write a better story. No really...I could.

CEREBRAL.... · 07-01-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Some (especially Bay fans) are content with the way Bay targets the lowest common denominator of the general movie audiences intelligence in his films.

Others are just completely insulted by what he does and are not fooled.

well said....

CEREBRAL.... · 07-01-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostPoet

I could write a better story. No really...I could.

be easy..bay's fans will hold you to it..

BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 02:05 PM

Im sure if you let a hardest of the hardcore Transformers fan write a film, you'd probably have 50 people that actually got it, the other 96 percent of the movie viewing public would go see 'The Hangover' again

GhostPoet · 07-01-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CEREBRAL....

be easy..bay's fans will hold you to it..

I wish...believe me.

I tried to get into the industry writing screenplays, but it's next to impossible. It's more about who you know and not so much the quality of your work in many ways.

Blackman · 07-01-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLantern

Im sure if you let a hardest of the hardcore Transformers fan write a film, you'd probably have 50 people that actually got it, the other 96 percent of the movie viewing public would go see 'The Hangover' again

Thats exactly what would happen

Anytime you make something on a previous based material you need to make it so that nonfans of the series, book, comic, etc. can enjoy it as well.

BlackLantern · 07-01-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostPoet

I wish...believe me.

I tried to get into the industry writing screenplays, but it's next to impossible. It's more about who you know and not so much the quality of your work in many ways.

That's most any industry in Hollywood....my cousin works as a lighting tech at NBC/Universal....he got the job because his fiance is best friends with one of the union heads assistants

GhostPoet · 07-01-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLantern

Im sure if you let a hardest of the hardcore Transformers fan write a film, you'd probably have 50 people that actually got it, the other 96 percent of the movie viewing public would go see 'The Hangover' again

Agreed.
I think there has to be a balance...and it would be really easy to please MOST fans by keeping it as close to G1 as possible, while still maintaining a level jump on point for people who don't even know what an autobot is.

I still think Iron Man is one of the greatest examples of how to bring either a cartoon or a comic to live-action. Keep it close to the source material, but keep the writing strong, the humor witty and the action diverse with easy jump on points for non-fans.

CelticPredator · 07-01-2009, 02:14 PM

Look at this....

AvP, written by a fanboy, directed by a fanboy. ****.

Freddy Vs. Jason (weather you think it was good or bad) directed by non fan, but created a movie that respected BOTH characters. And for what it was, it worked.

Dont get a hardcore fan boy to make a movie, unless they can throw their fan crap out, and focus on the movie.

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07-01-2009, 01:13 PM	#1801
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Why not both on some level. A common trick of film is that comedy or lighthearted moments are often used to alleviate tension (I've never understood why this is particularly neccessary, save for people's sensitivities at a fictional event). This is an incredibly tense, loud and fast movie. Is there a perfect balance of humor and tension? No, but there is something at work here. They didn't just put comedy into the movie for the hell of it in most places. __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night Last edited by The Guard; 07-01-2009 at 01:16 PM.

07-01-2009, 01:14 PM	#1802
Colossal Spoons :argh: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: A bar on Oa Posts: 61,194	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Exactly. I'm a huge fan of that "Stiffler" comedy but it had no place in a TF movie, IMO. The jokes in the 1st movie were perfect. __________________ Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris

07-01-2009, 01:27 PM	#1805
The Guard Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,119	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread No, I'm serious, though. Can audiences like, not handle the intensity of fictional events? __________________ Writer and Lyricist of GOTHAM'S KNIGHT: THE BATMAN MUSICAL And if I'm right The future's looking bright A symbol in the skies at night

07-01-2009, 01:33 PM	#1807
Primal Slayer Lima Heights Adjacent Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,583	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Why were there so many Decepitcons and so few Autobots? And it was weird that the Autobots couldnt do half the things the Dcons could.

07-01-2009, 01:37 PM	#1810
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,400	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Saw this again, yesterday, thought it was still amazing, going to see it again tonight. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

07-01-2009, 01:44 PM	#1814
BlackLantern Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 77,196	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread I seem to remember the few episodes I saw of Beast Wars and even Armada that there were always more Decepticons than Autobots

07-01-2009, 01:58 PM	#1817
GhostPoet Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6,442	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread I could write a better story. No really...I could. __________________ If you live for yourself, you live for nothing.

07-01-2009, 02:05 PM	#1820
BlackLantern Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 77,196	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Im sure if you let a hardest of the hardcore Transformers fan write a film, you'd probably have 50 people that actually got it, the other 96 percent of the movie viewing public would go see 'The Hangover' again

07-01-2009, 02:14 PM	#1825
CelticPredator Banned User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 9,156	Re: Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread Look at this.... AvP, written by a fanboy, directed by a fanboy. ****. Freddy Vs. Jason (weather you think it was good or bad) directed by non fan, but created a movie that respected BOTH characters. And for what it was, it worked. Dont get a hardcore fan boy to make a movie, unless they can throw their fan crap out, and focus on the movie.

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