Can someone please destroy Activision?

[Isildur´s Heir]

And it´s not close, but utterly destroy, so, if they return, start to be a little more humble.
Since they merged with Blizzard, and became the all powerful publisher, they are becoming more and more of a thread than a good thing, to the point of making the two years go evil empire EA look like Dr.Evil.
And it it´s much worst than the stupidity of wanting that Modern Warfare 2 to crush Halo 3 and GTA 4 as the most grossing video game this generation (minus the WIi, of course).

Activision just threatened to stop supporting Sony consoles if they don´t cut the price on their platforms.

Speaking with The Times, Kotick said "I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation"."They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates are likely to slow", he continues. "If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony...When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console - and the PSP [portable] too".

Who the f**k does Bobby Kotick think he is?
When was the last time a game company threatened a console manufacturer?
If it happens (i don´t believe it will), others will follow, it´s a certainty, and who wants Sony platforms to end?
And, after that, who is to follow?
So, when a gaming company is not happy with something, they will start with threats....this is just ridiculous.

[Paradyme]

Don't developers say its harder to develop for the PS3. Or its more difficult? If it is then you would have to dedicate your team longer to a certain game on that system. If that system takes way more hours to produce that the others and you sell less copies. Wouldn't you find the whole process to be pointless?

That is if thats the case. I can see where he stands from a business standpoint but I'm not sure he needed to issue a statement declaring this.

[Tron Bonne]

It was the case, about 2 years ago. It's still a harder machine to work with then the 360/PC, but people were saying the exact same thing about the PS2 when it was first released and people got use to it and could develop on it as easily as any other system. You just have to put work into it

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Paradyme

Don't developers say its harder to develop for the PS3. Or its more difficult? If it is then you would have to dedicate your team longer to a certain game on that system. If that system takes way more hours to produce that the others and you sell less copies. Wouldn't you find the whole process to be pointless?

That is if thats the case. I can see where he stands from a business standpoint but I'm not sure he needed to issue a statement declaring this.

Valve recently said they dont make PS3 games bc its too hard. That might have been a valid excuse 2-3 years agoun during its launch year but for any developer to still state that claim and stand by it, only makes them look lazy and stupid. Doesnt say much about your developing abilities if you cant make a game for the PS3 yet tons of other companies (even smaller ones) are doing it and doing it well

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont see any problem with it. He's basically just saying that it's not continuing to be worth their while to develop games for Sony. It's difficult to develop games for the PS3 and since Sony refuses to lower the pricing, the consoles arent as numerous and game companies arent selling enough units to cover their productions costs in many cases.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, there's no 'problem' with it, it's Activisions money and franchises and they can do what they want with them. I'm assuming their games don't do much in the Japanese market, and I guess they figure that the European 360 market will pick up the slack despite the close race. If they do drop out I don't really believe it'll start some type of domino effect or anything.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

Yeah, there's no 'problem' with it, it's Activisions money and franchises and they can do what they want with them. I'm assuming their games don't do much in the Japanese market, and I guess they figure that the European 360 market will pick up the slack despite the close race. If they do drop out I don't really believe it'll start some type of domino effect or anything.

Activision wont. As greedy as they are, they still make money on the PS3....they just wish it were more

[Wiseman]

You know what, I hate Activision and I applaud them for this. Sony is getting what it deserves. They had no right coming out with a piece of crap like the PS3 and charging $600 like they did. And it's pretty obvious that they haven't lowered the price enough since then.

[amazingfantasy15]

Originally Posted by Isildur´s Heir

And it´s not close, but utterly destroy, so, if they return, start to be a little more humble.
Since they merged with Blizzard, and became the all powerful publisher, they are becoming more and more of a thread than a good thing, to the point of making the two years go evil empire EA look like Dr.Evil.
And it it´s much worst than the stupidity of wanting that Modern Warfare 2 to crush Halo 3 and GTA 4 as the most grossing video game this generation (minus the WIi, of course).

Activision just threatened to stop supporting Sony consoles if they don´t cut the price on their platforms.

Who the f**k does Bobby Kotick think he is?
When was the last time a game company threatened a console manufacturer?
If it happens (i don´t believe it will), others will follow, it´s a certainty, and who wants Sony platforms to end?
And, after that, who is to follow?
So, when a gaming company is not happy with something, they will start with threats....this is just ridiculous.

What do you think happened with the N64, Nintendo stuck with a cartridge-based system, all of the sudden they had little to no third party support. Activision is just making business decisions that are advantageous to them, higher production costs and lower return on investment, what do you expect them to do? Also, why are you complaining about them wanting Modern Warfare 2 to be the best selling game of the generation, that's what every company wants, that's why you're in the business to sell the game.

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, well, I knew the fanboys would get whiff of this thread eventually. It was inevitable I suppose

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

Oh, well, I knew the fanboys would get whiff of this thread eventually. It was inevitable I suppose

ahahaha, Fanboys? I have a PS1 and a PS2, plus a PSP. I'm sorry that Sony got to arrogant when they made the PS3 and thought they could sell the average person a box of crap and get away with it. Microsoft took all the criticisms of the X-Box and fixed them for the 360. With the exception of the red ring of death there is nothing you can say they haven't done right this time. Sony decided that they were gonna do whatever they wanted and not care about the actual consumer that buys their product. They thought the Playstation brand was so strong that everyone would just go out and buy one and praise whatever Sony does.

[Isildur´s Heir]

You guys don´t see any problem with it?
Try thinking, no Call of Duty, no Guitar Hero, no Tony Hawk; like those franchises or not, they are big names.
And they don´t say anyhting about being difficult to make games for Sony consoles, what they say is, it´s expansive and because they don´t cut the price of their consoles, the revenues are not that high as in comparison to the 360 and the Wii.
So, basically what Kotick is saying is, either they cut the price so we can sell more copies of the game on the PS3 or we pull the plug, basically, that´s an ultimatum.
It wouldn´t make sense to say that is difficult to make games for the PS3, when they have released plenty of those already.
It´s all about money.

Valve is a diferent ball game, and i respect their choise.
What Gabe Newell said was that he is in the business to make great games and great experiences, not to spend a lot of time cracking the best way to make games for a certain dificult console.
By other words, Valve cares more about the games than the money they can make by making it multiplaform, and that, deserves some respect.

Valve is Microsoft´s third party (and don´t be caught off guard if, one day, they become first party), and nothing will ever change that.

[Tron Bonne]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

ahahaha, Fanboys? I have a PS1 and a PS2, plus a PSP. I'm sorry that Sony got to arrogant when they made the PS3 and thought they could sell the average person a box of crap and get away with it. Microsoft took all the criticisms of the X-Box and fixed them for the 360. With the exception of the red ring of death there is nothing you can say they haven't done right this time. Sony decided that they were gonna do whatever they wanted and not care about the actual consumer that buys their product. They thought the Playstation brand was so strong that everyone would just go out and buy one and praise whatever Sony does.

I agree that it was overpriced originally, but to call it a piece of crap is simply an inaccurate statement to say the least. It's a very well built console. Also, thanks to the PS3, Sony was able to gain significant ground with their Blu-ray format. It's entirely arguable that without the PS3 the HD battle would have gone another way or at least dragged on for a lot longer. Unless you mean PS3 is a piece of crap game-wise, which is, once again, inaccurate. They have a good line-up of 1st party games and almost all 3rd party titles are muliplat.

Yes, Sony did get arrogant and thought the PS brand was unstoppable, like Nintendo did with the N64, but the PS3 itself is not a "piece of crap" just like the N64 itself was not a "piece of crap"

[Isildur´s Heir]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

ahahaha, Fanboys? I have a PS1 and a PS2, plus a PSP. I'm sorry that Sony got to arrogant when they made the PS3 and thought they could sell the average person a box of crap and get away with it. Microsoft took all the criticisms of the X-Box and fixed them for the 360. With the exception of the red ring of death there is nothing you can say they haven't done right this time. Sony decided that they were gonna do whatever they wanted and not care about the actual consumer that buys their product. They thought the Playstation brand was so strong that everyone would just go out and buy one and praise whatever Sony does.

You are right, and i´ve said it plenty of times, Sony was extremely arrogant with the PS3, thinking that people would sell their houses to buy a Playstation brand.
They got to the point of saying, before the PS3 got out: Now, people will see a true next gen console.
It was the most pathetic thing i ever seen anyone say...but that still doesn´t give Activision any right put down a Ultimatum.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Isildur´s Heir

So, basically what Kotick is saying is, either they cut the price so we can sell more copies of the game on the PS3 or we pull the plug, basically, that´s an ultimatum.

Sony will drop the price when they are ready to. I beleive they will this year. What looks bad is that now that Activision has made this threat people will think Sony is caving into them when they do drop the price.

Or they can get really stubborn and not want to look like they are giving into Activision and delay dropping the price. In the end gamers get screwed over as the 2 companies play tug of war with each other

[Tron Bonne]

Originally Posted by Isildur´s Heir

You guys don´t see any problem with it?
Try thinking, no Call of Duty, no Guitar Hero, no Tony Hawk; like those franchises or not, they are big names.
And they don´t say anyhting about being difficult to make games for Sony consoles, what they say is, it´s expansive and because they don´t cut the price of their consoles, the revenues are not that high as in comparison to the 360 and the Wii.
So, basically what Kotick is saying is, either they cut the price so we can sell more copies of the game on the PS3 or we pull the plug, basically, that´s an ultimatum.
It wouldn´t make sense to say that is difficult to make games for the PS3, when they have released plenty of those already.
It´s all about money.

No one said there wasn't a problem in that sense, it would be a bad thing for Sony and the PS3 to lose those franchises, but I don't believe it would start some type of domino effect or anything. It would hurt yes, but Activision is only one company after all

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

I agree that it was overpriced originally, but to call it a piece of crap is simply an inaccurate statement to say the least. It's a very well built console. Also, thanks to the PS3, Sony was able to gain significant ground with their Blu-ray format. It's entirely arguable that without the PS3 the HD battle would have gone another way or at least dragged on for a lot longer. Unless you mean PS3 is a piece of crap game-wise, which is, once again, inaccurate. They have a good line-up of 1st party games and almost all 3rd party titles are muliplat.

Yes, Sony did get arrogant and thought the PS brand was unstoppable, like Nintendo did with the N64, but the PS3 itself is not a "piece of crap" just like the N64 itself was not a "piece of crap"

In the first year and a half the PS3 was out there was maybe one or two games that could be considered must have. They've lost most of their exclusives because of how poorly it sold because of the price. And in this economic crisis most of the world is facing and the popularity of the 360, the only way Sony has a chance is to lower it's price, bite the bullet on costs and get some goodwill back with consumers and 3rd party companies.

[Tron Bonne]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

In the first year and a half the PS3 was out there was maybe one or two games that could be considered must have.

That's pure opinion

They've lost most of their exclusives because of how poorly it sold because of the price. And in this economic crisis most of the world is facing and the popularity of the 360, the only way Sony has a chance is to lower it's price, bite the bullet on costs and get some goodwill back with consumers and 3rd party companies.

And this makes the PS3 a piece of crap..how? So, you didn't mean it was a bad system, just that it didn't sell well or was overpriced.

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

That's pure opinion



And this makes the PS3 a piece of crap..how? So, you didn't mean it was a bad system, just that it didn't sell well or was overpriced.

I didn't mean it's a piece of crap in terms of technology. But in terms of price and how much use it actually got from most owners for the entire first year it was out, it's almost like having a $600 paperweight. By the time the PS3 had any sort of a half-decent library of games(not opinion, fact) the 360 was already out for 2 years, was $200 cheaper then the PS3, had an enormous library of must have games, a better system set-up, and a better online set-up. So while the word crap may seem like a bit much for you, compared to what was offered by it's competition, it's close enough. I can count 5 exclusive PS3 titles that are "system sellers" or "game of the year" material. 360 has a hell of a lot more then that.

[Tron Bonne]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

I didn't mean it's a piece of crap in terms of technology. But in terms of price and how much use it actually got from most owners for the entire first year it was out, it's almost like having a $600 paperweight. By the time the PS3 had any sort of a half-decent library of games(not opinion, fact) the 360 was already out for 2 years, was $200 cheaper then the PS3, had an enormous library of must have games, a better system set-up, and a better online set-up. So while the word crap may seem like a bit much for you, compared to what was offered by it's competition, it's close enough. I can count 5 exclusive PS3 titles that are "system sellers" or "game of the year" material. 360 has a hell of a lot more then that.

Most consoles get little use in the first year, that's really nothing uncommon for the most part. There wasn't a huge amount of game in the very first year of the 360 either.

Also, I hate to break this to you, but what your opinion of what a decent game and GOTY material is not fact. Even if those titles sell well and get praise I can still disagree with that it's a decent game or a GOTY. That would be my opinion

When you use the term "piece of crap" towards a console I don't know what you expect people to think you mean. That obviously implies that the hardware is crap and just looks and sounds like a fanboy waving his fists at his 'competition'.

[ProjectPat2280]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

That's pure opinion.

Originally Posted by Teardrop

Unless you mean PS3 is a piece of crap game-wise, which is, once again, inaccurate

So is that.

[Tron Bonne]

Haha, touche. Then the 360 would also have to be a piece of crap game-wise, since the games are so similar and there's so few exclusive titles between the two. That's what I was getting at

Oh, wait, also context. I was talking about general gaming as is currently (in the second quote) and he was talking about the first year of the PS3 (first quote).

[Isildur´s Heir]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

They've lost most of their exclusives because of how poorly it sold because of the price.

No, i have to disagree.
They lost most of their exclusives because it was bound to happen, even if the PS3 had the same price tag of the Xbox.
RE, FF, GTA...all those games could never continue being exclusives, they only did last gen because Microsoft was still taking their first steps in the console business.
People seem to forget that Sony never had real competition for two generations in a row, not taking away their merit, but that was the big reason why the PS1 and PS2 sold like they did.
MGS was the only one missing, but not anymore, now all big third party franchises are multiplatform.

Originally Posted by Teardrop

It would hurt yes, but Activision is only one company after all

Activision is the biggest publisher out there, so, it´s big and it can very well make a domino effect

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by Teardrop

I hate to break this to you, but what your opinion of what a decent game and GOTY material is not fact. Even if those titles sell well and get praise I can still disagree with that it's a decent game or a GOTY. That would be my opinion

When you use the term "piece of crap" towards a console I don't know what you expect people to think you mean. That obviously implies that the hardware is crap and just looks and sounds like a fanboy waving his fists at his 'competition'.

The consensus from all the different reviews on every site and videogame magazine prove my first point. Look at the scores of most of the PS3 games as opposed to 360 games. Look at how many exclusives on the 360 are rated 9 or 10 compared to how many exclusives on the PS3.

And your whole argument just sounds like an upset fanboy. The only people who start out by saying something so stupid as "Oh, well, I knew the fanboys would get whiff of this thread eventually. It was inevitable I suppose". Is clearly showing themselves to be a fanboy that can't take criticism of your precious game system. I've spent more of my actual hard earned money on Playstation products then you probably have so don't tell me I'm a fanboy of anybody simply because I am not blindly following Sony.

[Tron Bonne]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

The consensus from all the different reviews on every site and videogame magazine prove my first point. Look at the scores of most of the PS3 games as opposed to 360 games. Look at how many exclusives on the 360 are rated 9 or 10 compared to how many exclusives on the PS3.

You mean games like Gears and Halo. Yeah, I don't think there GOTY material or should have those scores. My opinion is wrong because of that, huh?

And your whole argument just sounds like an upset fanboy. The only people who start out by saying something so stupid as "Oh, well, I knew the fanboys would get whiff of this thread eventually. It was inevitable I suppose". Is clearly showing themselves to be a fanboy that can't take criticism of your precious game system. I've spent more of my actual hard earned money on Playstation products then you probably have so don't tell me I'm a fanboy of anybody simply because I am not blindly following Sony.

Ah, there's what I was waiting for. Every time you call someone out on fanboyish behavior the likely hood of having the fanboy card thrown at you becomes closer and closer. That really should be an internet law.

You came in, called the PS3 a piece of crap, bashed Sony, then bashed their games, uplifted the 360's library and then said they were getting what they deserved. What kind of behavior does that seem to imply to you? Maybe I did mistake your intentions, but can you really blame me. You can call me a fanboy if you want, but I've defended other companies like I have Sony here now but whatever, you are free to believe as you wish. According to another poster I use them as a 'lightening rod for my hate of MS', I guess I can be a Sony fanboy too while I'm at that