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Old 06-25-2009, 10:45 AM   #351
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Further proof that Michael Bay actually hates his audience and thinks the general moviegoing public is made up of idiots.

He's not a racist, he just thinks we're ALL retards with ADD.
And the fact this thread even exists doesn't prove him wrong.
Discussing wether 2 alien robot kids are meant as a racist remark???
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If you delve into the dialogue, outside of the "bust a cap in your ass", theres really nothing stereotypical about what they're saying. It just so happens that that was how the actor chose to read the lines. ****, that might have been his real accent. He was saying regular **** in a stupified accent. I'm black and I wasn't offended. Just my intake.


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I think it says more about the person watching the movie if they see those types of characters and immediately think of black people.

Close thread.
I totally agree with you. And from what i read most of the Twins lines were improv and one of the voice actors, Reno Wilson (the one playing Mudflap), is black. Enough with the over-the-top PC nonsense.
And yes, close this thread already.


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Old 06-25-2009, 10:53 AM   #352
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There is no need to close this thread. Even the Chicago Sun-Times had an article this morning about this, so it's obviously not some troll-type story, it's national now. People are just uncomfortable talking about racial stuff, I get it.

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Old 06-25-2009, 11:02 AM   #353
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I'm not talking about weather Bay should have or shouldnt have, i'm saying, stop crying about the kids.

And no, the original fans havent grown up...or atleast a lot of them if they want Bay to die for putting flames on Prime. That **** right there is stupid. Utterly ****ing stupid.

I never stood what was wrong with that. Personally, I thought it was awesome. It gave Prime some edge, and it clashed well with the blue.

The Twins are ghetto. How is that racist? They only really look ugly because of their alt modes. The parts formed in that way to resemble a face.

Face it. in real life, robots are pretty ****ing ugly.



Look at it. It's in the MIT museum.

It's hideous. Bay was being REALISTIC for the Twins. Sideswipe HAS to look cool, he's a corvette. Prime is the main lead, he has to look good. Bumblebee is a state-of-the-art Camaro.

Skids and Mudflap, however, are small, little cars that don't fit a lot of people. There arent many parts that can form face-like features. They pick smaller alt modes because they are smaller. The Ice Cream Truck was a team effort, but an Ice cream truck split in half doesn't have many parts to it. The Two smaller cars were the same size as each Truck half, so they may have had similar parts.

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Old 06-25-2009, 11:14 AM   #354
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Sorry, that is the dumbest explanation ever. No offense. They are smaller, so the have less parts for the faces. Right...

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Old 06-25-2009, 11:20 AM   #355
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Are we seriously on the "Why are they so ugly comparatively" discussion

Because they, out of all the other Autobots, are the silly cartoony ones, people. It's not rocket science.

The wannabe gangster thing seems to obvious after watching the film. They don't even sound entirely "black", per se.

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Old 06-25-2009, 11:28 AM   #356
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I didnt like the movie and its stupid humor, but the twins were not racist.

I think they were supposed to portray teen hipsters. I personally did not see any racial overtone that was put in a negative light.

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Old 06-25-2009, 01:41 PM   #357
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sounds like more Bay hate to me.

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Old 06-25-2009, 01:49 PM   #358
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Are we seriously on the "Why are they so ugly comparatively" discussion

Because they, out of all the other Autobots, are the silly cartoony ones, people. It's not rocket science.

The wannabe gangster thing seems to obvious after watching the film. They don't even sound entirely "black", per se.
They act more ghetto and imature than anything...still thought they were funny though.

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Old 06-25-2009, 03:44 PM   #359
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Wait... wait... someone is trying to say that the Twins were not ghetto black stereotypes?

In what universe? Broken English. Big Ears. Dedicated to ignorance. Coarse slang. Impotent violence. These are ghetto personalities. I don't have to make it up to see it, that's what we've all been told is ghetto from the moment we turned on our televisions, and these two characters were rolling in it.

Does that make Bay racist? Well, does he consider the cars "black," simply because they act ghetto? Is he making a statement about what kind of mindset is drawn to a ghetto persona and slang, since, fiction-wise, Skids and Mudflap chose to be ghetto upon their arrival on Earth? We don't have enough information to evaluate any one's character, maybe not even their intentions...

But to argue that these are not racial stereotypes that are well known is being blind and ignorant. If someone tells me "You're an idiot." I don't have to think I'm an idiot to realize I'm being called an idiot. Likewise, if someone shows me a slang-talking comic relief big eared ignorant duo on a screen, I don't have to think black people, or even ghetto people are all like that to recognize the stereotype.

If you're scared to talk about it, leave the thread, but asking for something to be closed because you can't handle the reality around you, or accusing people across the country for seeing something that's not there... it's a very prolific kind of ignorance, one you should be ashamed of.

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Old 06-25-2009, 04:08 PM   #360
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If anyone should be angry, it should be the white teenagers across America who try to be black. That's the group that Skids and Mudflap were clearly designed to target.

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Old 06-25-2009, 04:15 PM   #361
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Ironhide is a black vehicle...that is so racist. Where are the white cars?

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Old 06-25-2009, 04:21 PM   #362
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Old 06-25-2009, 04:29 PM   #363
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Man I have more of an issue with the twins being IRRITATING than being ethnically stereotypical. You can't tell me anyone here wouldnt of preferred more Soundwave, Ravage, or Sideswipe screentime if it meant sacrificing any of the Twins scenes.

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Old 06-25-2009, 05:17 PM   #364
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Orci and Kurtzman on the twins. Seems as they have completely passed the buck onto Bay.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...sformers-2.php

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Cole: I heard that the gold tooth was Michael Bay’s idea, but do you have any response to those who found The Twins offensive?

Orci: Number one, we sympathize. Yes, the gold tooth was not in the script, that’s true.

Kurtzman: It’s really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it.I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, it’s their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and it’s a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we don’t control every aspect of the movie.

Cole: Were you offended by them?

Kurtzman: I wasn’t thrilled. I certainly wasn’t thrilled.

Orci: Yeah, same reaction. I’m not easily offended, but when I saw it, I thought, ‘Someone’s gonna write about that.’”

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Old 06-25-2009, 05:20 PM   #365
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lol Bay is gonna be in a real tight spot

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Old 06-25-2009, 05:26 PM   #366
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Man Bay is being thrown under the bus by Orci and Kurtzman...

At least Reno Wilson (Mudflap) claims that he wasn't intending for them to be "black" in any way but more of a parody of a wannabe gangster (of any race).

I don't think Tom Kenny wants to get involved thus him not making a comment on the issue.

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Old 06-25-2009, 05:57 PM   #367
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There you go. The screenwriters just threw Bay under the bus.

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Old 06-25-2009, 06:58 PM   #368
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There you go. The screenwriters just threw Bay under the bus.
To be honest if those twins are as annoying as everyone is saying and if I were in the writer's shoes and didn't write them that way you bet your ass I'm not going to take the blame for it.

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Indeed. But I didnt find them annoying at all....

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Hilarious. You guys are even defending it after the Orci and Kurtzman comments.

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Old 06-25-2009, 07:22 PM   #371
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And you're acting like an *******. So who cares.

Get over yourself, and discuss the movie without acting like you're better then everyone else.

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LOL

Why so serious?

So you don't think there's something wrong when the screenwriters have now basically thrown Bay under the bus and deflected blame and don't even try to defend?

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Old 06-25-2009, 07:26 PM   #373
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I dont know. Nor do I really care honestly. They made me laugh. So they did their job.

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So basically you will ignore the screenwriters' comments like they never happened and not even acknowledge them in the debate?

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Old 06-25-2009, 07:30 PM   #375
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Well...I'm done debating about THIS issue, but I decided to debate about you, and your attitude.

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