The Twins: Racist?

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by chaseter

Who wouldn't want to be Tyrese or Will Smith? Every movie has dumpy sidekicks like Martin Lawrence and Anthony Anderson. Martin and Will were rich in Bad Boys and Anthony Anderson was a genius and Tyrese is a military hero...don't see the point.

Movies like Friday are racist but it is meant to be funny and satirical.

Wow. You honestly sorta scare me. Please don't procreate.

[Golgo-13]

I've noticed that in alot of bay films he tends to have his black actors play up the whole black stereotype. Sometimes it gets rather uncomfortable as it feels forced (i'm black btw).I dunno maybe Bay is a secret wanna be black guy...?

Anyhow, after reading this:

....they make Jar Jar Binks look like he belongs in a production of A Raisin in the Sun

I couldn't read any further.

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

I remember on Chud they had a thread talking about how racist the Back to the Future movies were.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by Grievous

I believe you have it the other way around.

How so? The only ones griping about this are white reviewers. True, there aren't any black movie reviewers around that aren't really well known, but I have yet to see any black people online gripe about this, or in person upon seeing the commercials.

[The Lizard]

I live in Atlanta, and the movie theater I saw the advance screening of TF:ROTF in was probably about 60% black viewers (I'm white, BTW).

Most of the Twins' gags got moderate laughs from the crowd, and there were some laughs for their "We don't do much readin'" line, but there were also some African-Americans around me that I heard say "Huh?" and "Um...what?" at that line.
So I don't know if it's quite as easily dismissed as some are claiming.

[Bunker]

Originally Posted by The Lizard

I live in Atlanta, and the movie theater I saw the advance screening of TF:ROTF in was probably about 60% black viewers (I'm white, BTW).

Most of the Twins' gags got moderate laughs from the crowd, and there were some laughs for their "We don't do much readin'" line, but there were also some African-Americans around me that I heard say "Huh?" and "Um...what?" at that line.
So I don't know if it's quite as easily dismissed as some are claiming.

Interesting...

Did you hear anyone say anything about the twins when everyone was leaving the theater?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Wow. You honestly sorta scare me. Please don't procreate.

I honestly don't care what you think. If those roles were racist and slanderous towards blacks, why would Will Smith, Tyrese, or Anthony Anderson play them?

[tekken]

i dont get it, what's the problem?
stereotypes have always been a part of transformers culture. look at jazz and soundblaster.

well i'm asian, so im not sure if i get any say in this...but im pretty sure they're only there for humor, not attacks against black people. i really liked jazz in the first movie.

seeing that it's a kids/teens movie, i'm sure the twins were there for them. the kids might find them funny while the adults bicker about how racist they are.

[Blackman]

apparently elmayimbe found them offensive too.
I'll just wait and see the movie

[chaseter]

Shrek is racist! OMG!!! Everything is racist................................

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by chaseter

I honestly don't care what you think. If those roles were racist and slanderous towards blacks, why would Will Smith, Tyrese, or Anthony Anderson play them?

Perhaps, because they work in an industry predominantly controlled by old white men. Ever wonder why Morgan Freeman always plays wise old black men who redeem troubled white protagonists?

It's the Hollywood machine, if you want work in the mainstream field you take the roles which are afforded to you.

Why did black actors star in Song of the South?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Perhaps, because they work in an industry predominantly controlled by old white men. Ever wonder why Morgan Freeman always plays wise old black men who redeem troubled white protagonists?

It's the Hollywood machine, if you want work in the mainstream field you take the roles which are afforded to you.

Why did black actors star in Song of the South?

HAHA...the white man controls everything. Please stfu...please.

[Blackman]

white men do own Hollywood....
its not really even debatable

I think ppl should calm down on both side. Wait and see the movie for yourself to deem it racist or not

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by chaseter

HAHA...the white man controls everything. Please stfu...please.

Nice deflection, Tex, but my point was hardly invalid.

[chaseter]

Saying Will Smith and Tyrese do stereotypical roles because they don't get offered anything else is asanine. Thinking that a council of white men own Hollywood is also asanine.

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by chaseter

Saying Will Smith and Tyrese do stereotypical roles because they don't get offered anything else is asanine. Thinking that a council of white men own Hollywood is also asanine.

Name me some high-ranking African-American producers or studio heads, then.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Nice deflection, Tex, but my point was hardly invalid.

20 or more years ago you would be right.

[bunk]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Ever wonder why Morgan Freeman always plays wise old black men who redeem troubled white protagonists?

Can we do this without insulting great actors?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Episode29

Name me some high-ranking African-American producers or studio heads, then.

Who the **** follows producers We are talking about actors, you were talking about actors. The debate was over sterotypical roles being filled by actors. You want to go off on a tangent? Look at the president, an African American.

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by bunk

Can we do this without insulting great actors?

I'm not insulting the actor. Freeman is one of our finest talents. However, if you examine the roles he is offered and plays there is a very distinct pattern apparent.

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by chaseter

Who the **** follows producers We are talking about actors, you were talking about actors. The debate was over sterotypical roles being filled by actors. You want to go off on a tangent? Look at the president, an African American.

You seem confused. The producers and studio heads are the ones that more or less dictate the rules within the industry.

By the way, Obama ain't green-lighting summer blockbusters. He's got more important jobs to do.

[bunk]

Originally Posted by Episode29

I'm not insulting the actor. Freeman is one of our finest talents. However, if you examine the roles he is offered and plays there is a very distinct pattern apparent.

No. You're insinuating he has little to no control of his career, and that the characters he plays are not of his choosing, but rather a by-product of some ridiculous notion he is merely a puppet on the strings of others. Don't throw people you don't know under the bus to make a point.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Episode29

You seem confused. The producers and studio heads are the ones that more or less dictate the rules within the industry.

By the way, Obama ain't green-lighting summer blockbusters. He's got more important jobs to do.

I know the hierarchy of film production. Will Smith, Halle Berry, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, Denzel Washington, Sidney Poitier, Jamie Foxx etc...control their films. They are huge forces in Hollywood and they are offered tons of scripts and they play the part of whatever they want to. The 'White Man' doesn't make them do anything.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by bunk

No. You're insinuating he has little to no control of his career, and that the characters he plays are not of his choosing, but rather a by-product of some ridiculous notion he is merely a puppet on the strings of others. Don't throw people you don't know under the bus to make a point.

Exactly. Apparently he/she thinks that black actors in Hollywood are forced to play roles that 'white Hollywood producers' choose for them.

This debate is ridiculous.

[Episode29]

Originally Posted by bunk

No. You're insinuating he has little to no control of his career, and that the characters he plays are not of his choosing, but rather a by-product of some ridiculous notion he is merely a puppet on the strings of others. Don't throw people you don't know under the bus to make a point.

I would say that the majority of the roles he gets offered are of a specific variety. He's made, for the most part, great choices in choosing the ones which have allowed him to expand them and give them an original voice.

Do me a favour, look at his filmography and tell me that there isn't a very clear trend over the last two decades.

Oh, and stop getting so over emotional about it.