Making Superman More Than a Superhero Movie

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by afan

Very true.....but
"That which we call a rose.........."

When qualified by Truth and Justice I feel it's clear that the words "and the American Way" refer specifically to the lofty ideals, so go ahead and replace them with "and the right of all individuals to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
However it's fixing something that isn't broken.

I don't want "and the American way" in his slogan for this reason:

Originally Posted by Dave_W

Is it only America that has these values? Is America the only democratic country out there? I find that mentality quite insulting. Although Supes is an American icon, he should stand for everyone.

Quite frankly, I think justice can cover the concept of people being entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." For years, Superman just stood for Truth and Justice and his fans were fine with that. I'd rather go back to that.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by afan

Star Trek or 2001?

Superman is science fiction by definition. The character was created as sci-fi , but success was so big that created his own genre.. super-hero.

Superman has all elements os sci-fi. Civilization from another planet, travels across the universe, super powered hero fighting against strange enemies (brainiac, metallo, etc).

Sci-fi isnt about just spaceships (star trek, 2001, star wars). There is other types of sci-fi (robots, travel through time, high tecnology, etc)

Superman has almost everything.

[Anubis]

While I wouldn't start off a franchise with it, i'd love to see a War World adaptation.

[afan]

Originally Posted by Sam

Superman is science fiction by definition. The character was created as sci-fi , but success was so big that created his own genre.. super-hero.

Superman has all elements os sci-fi. Civilization from another planet, travels across the universe, super powered hero fighting against strange enemies (brainiac, metallo, etc).

Sci-fi isnt about just spaceships (star trek, 2001, star wars). There is other types of sci-fi (robots, travel through time, high tecnology, etc)

Superman has almost everything.

My comparison of the two is not based on the hardware, but rather the substance. Star Trek being a sci-fi adventure genre, and 2001 being a more cerebral Sci-Fi approach.

If the focus of a Superman film were to be the sci-fi aspect of the character I believe it would belong in the Star Trek sci-fi arena.

[Dave_W]

THESE capture the essence of what a Superman film should be about! If they can turn these two pictures into a 2 hour movie and still maintain their essence, it'll be dynamite!




These two just ooze everything that makes a Superman film great!

[JamalYIgle]

Originally Posted by Dave_W

THESE capture the essence of what a Superman film should be about! If they can turn these two pictures into a 2 hour movie and still maintain their essence, it'll be dynamite!




These two just ooze everything that makes a Superman film great!

they already did.

i'm being a bit snarky but it's true. People may want to make fun of the campier elements but Superman the movie captured the essence of Superman as a character. Any new production will be unfairly compared to it, just like Superman Returns was.

[The Guard]

Yeah, the only "essence" those pictures shows...it's been done. That's just the very basics.

[Excel]

I know for real; the next superman film has to be something DIFFERENT. Geez.

[dark_b]

i agree. that pics tells me ''been done already''

do some fans want a remake or what?

[Dave_W]

Yeah I can see what you're all saying, but I meant if the movie could capture the FEELING of those pictures it would be ace. I'm not saying copy the scenes or anything, as that's already been done, but if it should capture the 'feel good' factor. Kinda like Iron Man and Spidey, instead of the more gritty Incredible Hulk and Dark Knight.

[The Guard]

What feeling? Golden Age and the movies rolled together? Chalk drawings.

They're just pictures. Lois is slightly hotter than usual...I don't get much "feel good" from them beyond that. It looks like the basics of Superman.

[GreenKToo]

Its hard to say what they need to do. Just look at this site, so many of us here want something different.
Some still want a sequel, some want a reboot but with routh, and some want a reboot with all new actors.

IMVHO, which means absolutely nothing, I think they'll reboot in a couple ( or more) years with ALL NEW ACTORS and, I think it will also have a new score to separate itself from the previous films.

And quite honestly, unless lightning strikes or something, I doubt we hear anything Superman related for a long while yet. It sucks, but imo, everything points to development hell once again.

[The Guard]

They need to find a balance. It's really that simple. Someone with a great knowledge of Superman, Pre-Cris, Post-Crisis, movie and comics, needs to come along who can not just put what THEY want on film, but find a balance amongst all the source materials to put the best distilled version of Superman they can onscreen.

[Crook]

Originally Posted by GreenKToo

Its hard to say what they need to do. Just look at this site, so many of us here want something different.
Some still want a sequel, some want a reboot but with routh, and some want a reboot with all new actors.

It's pretty easy to choose. The latter yields the highest possibility of the best reaction. The other two hold baggage from previous endeavors, and starts off with alienating non-fans of those products from the get-go.

Originally Posted by The Guard

They need to find a balance. It's really that simple. Someone with a great knowledge of Superman, Pre-Cris, Post-Crisis, movie and comics, needs to come along who can not just put what THEY want on film, but find a balance amongst all the source materials to put the best distilled version of Superman they can onscreen.

And one more key ingredient: make it modern aka fresh.

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by GreenKToo

Its hard to say what they need to do. Just look at this site, so many of us here want something different.
Some still want a sequel, some want a reboot but with routh, and some want a reboot with all new actors.

IMVHO, which means absolutely nothing, I think they'll reboot in a couple ( or more) years with ALL NEW ACTORS and, I think it will also have a new score to separate itself from the previous films.

And quite honestly, unless lightning strikes or something, I doubt we hear anything Superman related for a long while yet. It sucks, but imo, everything points to development hell once again.

Even though I like Routh, this is what I see happening too.

[The Guard]

And one more key ingredient: make it modern aka fresh.

To a point. They need balance in all aspects. They need to balance the older portrayals of the character and the classic feel with modern elements.

[Webhead2006]

Originally Posted by GreenKToo

Its hard to say what they need to do. Just look at this site, so many of us here want something different.
Some still want a sequel, some want a reboot but with routh, and some want a reboot with all new actors.

IMVHO, which means absolutely nothing, I think they'll reboot in a couple ( or more) years with ALL NEW ACTORS and, I think it will also have a new score to separate itself from the previous films.

And quite honestly, unless lightning strikes or something, I doubt we hear anything Superman related for a long while yet. It sucks, but imo, everything points to development hell once again.

Yes so true that it sucks for supes fans with all the waiting and nothing going on stuff.

[mjbull23]

They have some very difficult decisions that have to be made.
There are so many possible paths we can follow here.

1) Continue on with the Donnerverse, Keep Routh, put out a story that is tightly paced, ramp up the action....(Sequel or Reboot)

2.) Burn it all down. Recast everyone. Start afresh. New take on Supes, new intrepretation of the character, his methodologies, his duality, new musical scores, new costume....(Reboot)

3.) Smallville the Movie - For all the TW Fans out here.

There are multiple variations to every one of those aforementioned options of course.

Some want Routh Back, but with a new slate. Some want Routh back in a sequel. Some want a new actor for the Role...

There's no way to draw a concensus opinion amongst the hardcore superman fans. So forget it. We are too divided. Pander to the general audiences.

The challenge is seperating audiences from their preconceived notions of the past, and presenting the character in a new light. But as other's have said, there are core themes that must still remain with the character.

Romance, Hope, Justice.

[RachelDawes]

Originally Posted by mjbull23

They have some very difficult decisions that have to be made.
There are so many possible paths we can follow here.

1) Continue on with the Donnerverse, Keep Routh, put out a story that is tightly paced, ramp up the action....(Sequel or Reboot)

2.) Burn it all down. Recast everyone. Start afresh. New take on Supes, new intrepretation of the character, his methodologies, his duality, new musical scores, new costume....(Reboot)

3.) Smallville the Movie - For all the TW Fans out here.

There are multiple variations to every one of those aforementioned options of course.

Some want Routh Back, but with a new slate. Some want Routh back in a sequel. Some want a new actor for the Role...

There's no way to draw a concensus opinion amongst the hardcore superman fans. So forget it. We are too divided. Pander to the general audiences.

The challenge is seperating audiences from their preconceived notions of the past, and presenting the character in a new light. But as other's have said, there are core themes that must still remain with the character.

Romance, Hope, Justice.

WB should do that anyway, even if the fans were all on the same page. It's the GA that's going to make or break the movie. Now we just need to think of what the GA would like to see.

[Webhead2006]

Ya maybe they should do with superman what paramount and jj did with trek make it for the general fans but also please the hardcore fans with keeping the standard mythos things going, while adding their own spin on things.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by afan

My comparison of the two is not based on the hardware, but rather the substance. Star Trek being a sci-fi adventure genre, and 2001 being a more cerebral Sci-Fi approach.

If the focus of a Superman film were to be the sci-fi aspect of the character I believe it would belong in the Star Trek sci-fi arena.

Oh, ok. Yes, definetly sci-fi adventure.

[daywalker2007]

what we need in the next superman movie is a freaking giant robot,
then we can the box office money explode!

metallo here we come!

[Webhead2006]

well if metallo ever makes it to a supes movie, i rather have it be human size metallo and not a freakin huge skyscrapper sized metallo.

[GreenKToo]

Originally Posted by RachelDawes

WB should do that anyway, even if the fans were all on the same page. It's the GA that's going to make or break the movie. Now we just need to think of what the GA would like to see.

And that really wouldnt be hard for them to do imo. They should have a look at the most recent, successful CB films and see what made them tick.
What was it about Spider-Man that made it such a hit with the public? What about I.M.? Batman?

Was it because they were new? Imo, I dont think so. If that were the case then B.B. wouldnt have created such an interest in Batman again that lead on to it's sequel, TDK..

I think in Spider-man and I.M.'s case, it was simple. They were good films. The Director chose to make them bright, upbeat, and action filled, and they pretty much stayed true to the characters and source material with MINOR exceptions of course. Regardless of any changes tho, the public ate them up. Three Spidey films and a soon to be released sequel to IM dont lie.

As for TDK, well that was more of an event than a film. A perfect storm of a film. The anticipation for it reminded me of what happened with the first Star Wars back in the 70's. just friggin' unreal. No way should we dare to hope for that kinda anticipation with Superman, that wont happen, but there shouldnt be any reason we couldnt have, or get, I.M. or Spider-man type hype.

It will all fall on the directors shoulders to get it right. And I really hope they (the WB) hire a director that creates instant hype with his name with us AND the public right from the start.
And I pray to God he gets Superman.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully they can find that best suited guy.