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Old 04-20-2013, 12:47 AM   #776
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. A monologue Freeman's character gives about how awesome Cruise's character is was so lousy, so trite, I damn near covered my face in embarrassment.
I hated it to. It was cringe worthy. It felt like the film makers realized the audience probably has zero idea what's going on right now because our screenplay is so convoluted so let's throw this awful heroic monologue in for exposition.

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This is a movie to me where...if you decide to be harsh on it, yeah there are things that can make it fall apart. And it's clearly a hodgepodge of a ton of better sci-fi movies.

That said, having read a few reviews beforehand, I decided not to be harsh on it and just kind of let the visuals and music wash over me, and it was an enjoyable experience.

This one probably goes in the guilty pleasure pile for me. It'd he hard for me to give a full recommendation for, but it was definitely a sugar rush of sci-fi tropes and on some level I can definitely enjoy that.

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Old 04-20-2013, 02:41 AM   #778
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Is it on par with Tron Legacy? I enjoy that film in spite of its numerous flaws.

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Old 04-20-2013, 03:21 AM   #779
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Nah. But then Tron had a lot more going for it. Like, the whole legacy thing. Assuming you liked the first movie obviously. Oh and Daft Punk.

This is more like a bad 70's sci fi flick with good special effects.

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I don't like the original Tron. Just never could get into it.

Legacy I enjoyed the world, the design, the effects, daft punk, and olivia wilde.

This film seems to have an interesting world, design, effects, score and some female eye candy. I guess I'm gonna have to take my chances and hope for the best.

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Tom Cruise was a far more charismatic lead than Hedlund, so there's that.

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Can't believe the hate on this one. My only beef was ultimately relying on exposition to pull the curtain back on the mysteries so well-established. I'll give credit a million times over to Joe for crafting the closest thing to a Philip K. Dick story since Philip K Dick. It was better than all but 2 or 3 of the movies adapted from his works, anyway. The visuals were stunning. The performances were top notch. The score was just perfect in conjunction with the visuals. I like for my sci-fi to just ooze a sense of surrealism, and this lived up to that. For me, the only problem was that damn exposition.

Oh, 9/10.

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The opinions here don't bode well for an old sci-fi fan like myself. When I say I've seen it all I mean I've see quite enough and read enough.

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Also, the pacing was awful, it felt like double it's length. It was so wordy, because it had to be, to keep the audience up with its' unnecessarily complicated plot twists which felt like twists for the sake of twists eventually. I heard so many groans in my crowd when
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I noticed groans then too, but to the honest I'm not convinced it was completely due to pacing.

From the very start of this ad campaign I was telling my friend that this better not be about clones. The modern audience responds to the "clone reveal" and reveal being key word here in a different way than they did back in the 90's early 2000's. It's played out and wholly unoriginal at this point. It's why Spiderman better stay the hell away from it.

Moreover, this movie's pacing makes 2001space odyssey feel like the marathon it is. But then again, this isn't kubrick or a good movie with big original themes so it's different I suppose.

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Just saw this yesterday. Damn, this movie is gorgeous. Probably the best sci-fi aesthetic in a long time. And Tom Cruise and Morgan Freeman as always turn in solid performances.

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I didn't mind the twists, but out of the four big ones (the "scavs" are human, who Julia is, what Jack is, and the Tet's true nature), one got spoiled in the the trailer, the 2nd and 4th you could more or less see coming, and that third...I just didn't get it. The drones that the Tet creates seem so much more efficient and capable at wiping out large portions of humanity (as portrayed by the scene right after Morgan Freeman's monologue), why bother creating a bunch of mind-wiped clones as an army (maintenance crew made more or less sense, but as an invasion force it seemed inefficient)? Or, if memory erasure isn't just a side-effect of cloning blues, why not capture and re purpose the resistance fighters?

Maybe I missed something at the end, but why didn't "Sally" blast Jack out of the sky the second she realized he was lying AND was carrying another passenger? Or even just keep the escort drones on hand so he can't, you know, pull an Independence Day on her ass?

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-Anyone else get flashes of Ripley when Julia gets woken up in the...house/compound?
-I really wish Nikolaj had gotten something more to do. The man's got snark, and so little of it was used.



I just wish the movie had had enough faith in the pre-twist premise as I feel more could have been done with it. Granted, ending the movie by leaving Earth barren except for steadily deactivating drones isn't much of a summer tentpole blockbuster. I don't know. It was still entertaining.

Although what the hell Tom Cruise? You only ran full-speed like one time.


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That actually explains things a bit more, Thanks Hunter, I found the part you explained in the first paragraph a little confusing in the movie and it really shouldnt have been as its not that complicated, this was down to Kosinski and his direction for me. If the guy keeps improving though, he could be a hell of a director at some point. Very little dissapointed me about the movie but what did happened to dissapoint me greatly, for example the questions I mentioned in the spoilers above.
No problem man, I think he needs to direct something he hasn't written, it would be interesting to see if people still had the same complaints.

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Ended up seeing this tonight and it was disappointing. It is gorgeous to look at and sounds very pretty, but it really crumbles under the weight of its' own plot and big revelations.

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As someone else mentioned, an alien AI so advanced it destroys planets and has hydro sucking machines...but needs to clone humans to do it's dirty work? And to keep a tiny resistance at bay? Why construct this massive back story about an alien invasion? It makes ZERO sense to me that an alien AI would do this. Also, how did the TET not pick up on it being Morgan Freeman's character and not Julia before seeing him? I mean come on...I'm all for suspension of disbelief but the TET is the stupidest alien AI ever. I also hated that the second Jack comes back at the end. Ruins the importance of our Jack we spend the entire movie with
The importance of the clones seemed more pivotal to the initial attack, It's probably easier(for these aliens) to find resources to clone millions of humans than it is to build drones. Humans grow from seeds, drones need an equal amount of material..material perhaps that would be found on a planet post invasion rather than pre invasion. Long story short, the AI didn't have the resources for an army before earth.
It's a plot contrivance...similar to asking why the AI needs humans, given they admit that they don't actually need them...but they do.

As for why keep the clones, obviously a two person human team can do things their drones alone can't. Seems dumb, but one need only watch the movie to see it in action.

Morgan Freeman was in a pod...
If he was in the cock pit that'd be hard to argue, but he wasn't.
Perhaps this is why the TET didn't capture the pods in the first place...


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so is this another style over substance for kosinski?

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No problem man, I think he needs to direct something he hasn't written, it would be interesting to see if people still had the same complaints.
Yea, like most other celebrated directors, he probably just needs a good script.

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Watching the film the first time through, I was getting more and more frustrated, at the acting choices and non answers she was giving. I was like, not more of this "Lost" BS. If you know an answer to a question, please just give it.

I would have loved to see Ridley Scott do this movie. It was a great deal better than his last. And the lighting would have been so tragic.

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so is this another style over substance for kosinski?
Given the state of modern film critics(where filmmaker reputation precedes substance), I'd say that's what you're going to be hearing.

Joe better thank his lucky stars he's not more high profile, otherwise this would be deemed the worst movie the the year or at the very least the genre. He can breath easy, M. Night has a film coming out this summer and it's nothing but high profile.

I do wonder what people would say if there was no style. I suppose "garbage over substance", or "nothing over substance".
Or perhaps they would just call it bad.

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who teached Jack repairing the drones? they were created by TET correct? so how could he know and understand the components?

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They probably sent down an instruction manual.
It's also possible they simply put it in his head(very possible).

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Considering how advanced they made the TET seem, they just slipped it into their minds.

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Considering how advanced they made the TET seem, they just slipped it into their minds.
that makes sense. to bad that the TET was advanced but not smart. maybe they could pick new humans and replace them with clones. that could destroy them all in less then 10 years.


about the ending. the Jack that we get in the movie is the only one who remembered so much from the past right? he asked also questions and was curious. he was different. the sacrifice that he makes at the end is big. isnt the whole emotional ending destroyed when Kosinski ends the movie with a close up on a new clone. he looks the same and has the same memory from Earth before ti was attacked. but its not the same jack that found out everything in the last 48 hours. its not the same Jack that saved Julia. i guess i am asking myself if maybe Kosinski in the last 4 years completely failed as a storyteller and doesnt even realize it?

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about the ending. the Jack that we get in the movie is the only one who remembered so much from the past right? he asked also questions and was curious. he was different. the sacrifice that he makes at the end is big. isnt the whole emotional ending destroyed when Kosinski ends the movie with a close up on a new clone. he looks the same and has the same memory from Earth before ti was attacked. but its not the same jack that found out everything in the last 48 hours. its not the same Jack that saved Julia. i guess i am asking myself if maybe Kosinski in the last 4 years completely failed as a storyteller and doesnt even realize it?
So what you're suggesting is that Julia can only love...or rather be with the "jack" that helped her the past 40 or so hours? That sounds like cliche audience thinking there.

The joy of sci fiction is the questions it asks. Such as, none of these Jacks are hers, but if they have his memories, is that enough. Also what makes the movie jack all that special compared to these other jacks? Given the same circumstances, who know what would happen. Maybe all these jacks would side with the TET...

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I liked the movie overall, but yeah, I do have to agree it was a bit of a letdown. The main thing was the
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In other words, we need an Attack of the Jacks prequel to explain all that.

I did like the twist that the TET and the drones were under alien control. I didn't see that coming, mainly because I just figured it was going to turn out that there were no aliens and humanity had just turned on itself or machines had evolved, like in Terminator. But then, that also creates some problems because why not just have repair drones to fix the battle drones that go awry or get attacked? Why use human clones at all? I don't know.


Anyway, I liked Cruise and the two female leads a lot, and Melissa Leo provided a good villain (sort of). Jaime Lannister was completely wasted though, and yeah, Freeman phoned it in. The visuals were stunning though, and it's really worth seeing the film just for those. But the pacing wasn't the best and at times it did make the film feel longer than it was. All in all, a decent movie but far from a great one (which is what I was hoping for).

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So what you're suggesting is that Julia can only love...or rather be with the "jack" that helped her the past 40 or so hours? That sounds like cliche audience thinking there.

The joy of sci fiction is the questions it asks. Such as, none of these Jacks are hers, but if they have his memories, is that enough. Also what makes the movie jack all that special compared to these other jacks? Given the same circumstances, who know what would happen. Maybe all these jacks would side with the TET...
she can be with who she wants to be. but i think it is wrong that she could be with new version of Jack.

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I enjoyed the movie, 8/10. There were some parts I just didn't care for like some of you guys have pointed out. Mainly Dark_b pointed out my major flaw. To me, the whole scene when Jack puts Julia into the pod is ruined when we find out morgan freeman is actually in it. I get what they were going for since it was hinted at before but to me that POD scene was amazing when you're thinking they are both going up to destroy the ship. I don't think all the Jack's are the same since we hear the line early on saying that the interrogations didnt work on the others. But then we see when the two Jacks fight the new one has on a kind of bandana around his neck so to me that kinda is the same as the NY hat. There were some other minor flaws but I went into this movie looking for great imagery which I got, mild action, and a good story. One thing I did get that I was not expecting was the scores! The soundtrack for this film is freaking amazing, if any of you guys are into the soundtracks I would get this one NOW. 30 scores for like $12.99

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Yeah I really love the score, I haven't stop listening to it every day. It's almost like if Daft Punk's and Zimmer's music had a baby.

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