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Old 09-06-2013, 01:44 AM   #976
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This and Elysium are very similar to me. Pretty but forgettable.

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In fact, you forgot which movie you where talking about!

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Yes. I really don't like Tom Cruise's character in Robot Jox.

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Finally saw this.

Here are my thoughts...

First of all, the trailer sucked. They should have focused more on the Cruise action in the trailer, and not even shown Morgan Freeman's Morpheus-like character. It made the movie look like The Matrix. If the public had thought that this was just Tom Cruise fighting the remnants of an alien invasion, then it might have been a bigger deal at the box office, and would have allowed for a few surprises that I unfortunately already knew were coming as soon as the movie started.

Yes, the movie borrowed heavily from other movies...but I still enjoyed it for what it was. I certainly enjoyed this more than Star Trek Into Darkness (another movie built on a mystery that we all knew the answer to). This type of high tech weapons/fighting alien stuff isn't really my favorite type of sci-fi though, so I appreciated that this was more of a personal story.

I haven't really decided if there was some political commentary going on with the drones etc (heck, even Star Trek Into Darkness seemed like commentary on American foreign policy) or if it's just a dumb sci-fi film...but either way...I enjoyed the movie as it happened. I do tend to prefer to have something to grab hold of in sci-fi that keeps me thinking long after the film, so other recent sci-fi films like Upstream Color and Antiviral will stay with me longer.

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Or a Green Lantern film!

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I liked this but it felt heavily stuffed with too much going on for a rather simple invasion plot. Space sleep, aliens, clones...all of that wasn't needed. The movie was too long due to that. Because they had so many wanton twists, they created plot holes. What happened to all the stations around the Earth? Did those clones shoot themselves in the head because their home base and all humanity they thought was then gone? Why did Morgan Freeman and co. wear dumb helmets all the time to scare the fug out of Jack? They could have all been waiting down there for him when he fell down the hole. But no...they wanted to look like monsters? Why not create a message out of white rocks when he flies by?

The movie was gorgeous though. This very well could have been imo the sci-fi movie of the decade. It had a strong theme, amazing visuals, and a great story aside from the overstuffing.

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the question is why did Freeman and co. walk and jump around like animals? because of the twist that is spoiled in every trailer and poster? yes there are humans.

because Kosinski is a bad storyteler with an insane beautiful vision. yes he should direct movies because his movie looks good. but there is no hope for him with the story. he made the exact same problems like in Tron 2. its shocking.

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I got bored during this movie.

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For real, I'm waiting on some official news for it. He's 2 for 2 in my book.

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I liked this but it felt heavily stuffed with too much going on for a rather simple invasion plot. Space sleep, aliens, clones...all of that wasn't needed. The movie was too long due to that. Because they had so many wanton twists, they created plot holes. What happened to all the stations around the Earth? Did those clones shoot themselves in the head because their home base and all humanity they thought was then gone? Why did Morgan Freeman and co. wear dumb helmets all the time to scare the fug out of Jack? They could have all been waiting down there for him when he fell down the hole. But no...they wanted to look like monsters? Why not create a message out of white rocks when he flies by?

The movie was gorgeous though. This very well could have been imo the sci-fi movie of the decade. It had a strong theme, amazing visuals, and a great story aside from the overstuffing.
Just because they don't explain what happened to the other stations doesn't make it a plothole. They dressed like monsters to fool the drones and they didn't really want to talk to Cruise til after the other astronauts landed. All of that is explained in the movie

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I like to think that there were plenty of other stations around the planet, and that the Techs all eventually came together, which could lead to some interesting developments as far as what it means to be human, individuality etc. Are all the others okay with the fact that only one of them gets to be with their wife? Etc

It wouldn't make sense that there were only two, given the limited geography covered in the film.

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Just because they don't explain what happened to the other stations doesn't make it a plothole. They dressed like monsters to fool the drones and they didn't really want to talk to Cruise til after the other astronauts landed. All of that is explained in the movie
Yes it does make it a plot hole. They tried to expand on the plot in the movie with clones and then they don't care about the other ones. They could have at least went or notified the other stations filled with innocent people. But no, they likely looked up into the sky, saw the explosion, and then shot themselves in the head because their world just ended. There are possibly 50 other Jack's out there but hey, the movie ended with the other Jack coming back to replace the main Jack so that's all that matters. It's flimsy. Hell, station 52 Jack left his lady up on her station to die. No one cares?

They dressed like monsters to fool the drones? The drones were programmed to kill everything beside Jack. What does it matter if they dressed like monsters? It doesn't even make sense. The only thing that was explained and made sense was that they used old helmets to fool the drones. Why did they run around like monsters or keep their helmets on when Jack came down the hole? It's stupid and that spoiler was spoiled in the trailers anyways. All they had to do was hang out by a down drone and then Jack would have freaked out that other humans were still on Earth. But no, it's best to act animalistic??? They were running on all 4's in the trailer. Doesn't make sense. So dumb.

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I like to think that there were plenty of other stations around the planet, and that the Techs all eventually came together, which could lead to some interesting developments as far as what it means to be human, individuality etc. Are all the others okay with the fact that only one of them gets to be with their wife? Etc

It wouldn't make sense that there were only two, given the limited geography covered in the film.
I think there were at least 52 based on the numbers of their station...probably a lot more. Each separated by fake radiation zones so they don't find out about each other. It should have shown at least all the other stations being notified by a transmission or 52 Jack going to each station...it would have taken like 10 seconds to show but they ended the movie with 52 Jack going to the woods. It's like all the other stations didn't exist anymore. As I just mentioned above, they even left Vika up at station 52 because Jack found him some wife in the woods. Hell, she definitely killed herself thinking all humanity just exploded and Jack never came back.

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I don't mind that they didn't show everyone. That isn't a plot hole so much as another story that could be told somewhere else. I'm not a guy who has to need every detail happen on screen, as surely things are happening elsewhere that have nothing to do with the story being told. Heck, my first issue with the film was the overly long voice-over that set up the situation...I felt like some of that could have either been explained in conversations, or just shown throughout the story so we kind of figure details out as we go.

There was another recent sci-fi movie called Upside Down (a very stupid romance/sci-fi, with an incredibly implausible yet very cool idea that looked awesome on screen)...and that film had a LOOOOOOONG voice-over in the beginning that could have been a 2 hour prequel in itself. By the way, for the concept and visuals alone, I recommend that movie. Like Oblivion, it used up a cool concept in one film rather than let the concept breathe naturally into a few films.

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But it kinda matters since all the clones were under the impression that they were going home in 2 weeks. When 'home' blows up...it's kinda a plot hole not to show what happens to those other bases since it's likely to assume their ending is grim. We even see another Vika and no one knows what happens to her because 52 Jack had a happy ending. That's sloppy.

Agreed that things can be introduced or explained or resolved with simple voice overs or a 10 second scene. They had too many things going here and it over complicated the movie and then they don't resolve everything at the end.

It was a promising movie that just fell short.

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We never saw what happened to all of the Scav people during the attack...and I'm fine with that. In fact, we never see what happens to all of the people affected by the things that happens in movies.

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But all the Scav were in the forest at the end...with one of the clones..............

You never once thought...hmmm....wondered what happened to that other Vika that we saw that 52 Jack cared about for however long that suddenly no longer cares about her because he found his wife that another clone loved. I bet the after scene credit was a skeleton of her 3 years later just up there dead. Hell, she has no way of getting down since 52 Jack took the aircraft. I am sure the home base was supplying them with food so with that exploded, she likely just starved to death or she jumped off and went splat. Resolution!

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No, ALL the Scavs likely were not. Some of them probably died in the attack. We never even learned their names, and I accept that...because it was not important to THIS story...and if needed their story could be told in some other way.

Yeah, I kind of wondered what happened to her. Frankly, I wondered that before the end, as surely she ad started to wonder why he was gone for so long (ad probably should have reported that to the base). But ultimately, it doens't really matter what happened to her. Maybe she met some other guy on earth and lived happily ever after...but the story of that really wasn't the point of this movie.

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That's my problem with both of Kosinski's movies, the film focuses on the story that is far less interesting.

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because Kosinski is a bad storyteler with an insane beautiful vision. yes he should direct movies because his movie looks good. but there is no hope for him with the story. he made the exact same problems like in Tron 2. its shocking.
I dont think there's an ounce of logic in the whole story. And i think they didnt even care. Things exist so that they are presented like that , no matter the situation.

Kosinski needs to find better scripts.

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Yes it does make it a plot hole. They tried to expand on the plot in the movie with clones and then they don't care about the other ones. They could have at least went or notified the other stations filled with innocent people. But no, they likely looked up into the sky, saw the explosion, and then shot themselves in the head because their world just ended. There are possibly 50 other Jack's out there but hey, the movie ended with the other Jack coming back to replace the main Jack so that's all that matters. It's flimsy. Hell, station 52 Jack left his lady up on her station to die. No one cares?

They dressed like monsters to fool the drones? The drones were programmed to kill everything beside Jack. What does it matter if they dressed like monsters? It doesn't even make sense. The only thing that was explained and made sense was that they used old helmets to fool the drones. Why did they run around like monsters or keep their helmets on when Jack came down the hole? It's stupid and that spoiler was spoiled in the trailers anyways. All they had to do was hang out by a down drone and then Jack would have freaked out that other humans were still on Earth. But no, it's best to act animalistic??? They were running on all 4's in the trailer. Doesn't make sense. So dumb.

They don't trust Jack at that point. They're trying to capture him yes but they don't know he's different than the rest at that point and time. Hence they stayed costumed. Its not the movie's fault things are spoiled in the trailers. While filming they don't know what is going to be in the trailer and what isn't, that's just a stupid argument to bring up. I think its safe to say that they didn't want the aliens to know that there were humans on the planet because then they'd send a big army down to take them out instead of just having the drones do it.

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Tell me why they thought it was a good idea to appear animalistic and to always wear helmets when they aren't talking to try and win over Jack, who tries to always kill them because he thinks they are dangerous monsters? Running on all 4's isn't to confuse the drones that would kill them regardless. Tell me how that makes sense. It doesn't. The AI knew the Scavs were human...because it always wanted to kill them even if they weren't shooting guns.

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Lol im hearing the soundtrack of this and bam , a part of bane's motif theme in it mixed with some other bat's stuff.

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