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Old 01-17-2012, 05:24 AM   #51
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Indeed;

and Honestly, i thought that continuing on with the anime in Dragon Ball GT was a bad mistake.

I mean with the buu saga, they literally raised the stakes as high as they could with the threat level being presented at its greatest. After that, everything in GT felt so..repetitive of that, and I never got the same threat level sense as I did back in the buu saga, despite the fact that the villains presented in GT were technically stronger than Kid Buu.

Hell if they really wanted to continue the franchise in some form, I would have opted towards seeing the future adventures of Future Trunks in his timeline, with him encountering new foes and allies due to the differences in his timeline versus the main one.

Not to mention that I find it pretty depressing to think that Goku had permanently left his family forever at the end of GT, with them thinking that they'd see him again shortly when really, they probably never saw him again until they all died of old age.

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Old 01-17-2012, 05:27 AM   #52
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Yeah the ending of GT is really depressing actually. Pretty sure Goku doesn't even go to Spirit World but literally becomes one with Shenron or something outlandish like that.

Although what I found funny about that was that Vegeta took it the hardest.

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Old 01-17-2012, 08:33 AM   #53
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Gohan got much better though after the Saiyan/Frieza saga. He's a complete boss during the Cell saga.
Eehhh not really. If it weren't for GOku showing Gohan just how Cell was fighting , GOhan just wouldn't have been able to defeat Cell.
Hell if it weren't for Vegeta's blast , Gohan would've been dead.
Vegeta's blast caused Cell to focus his attention just for a split second on him , giving GOhan the edge .
Seriously if you wanna talk repetitive try Gohan only being able to "win" a fight when some event happens that causes his hidden powers to be awakened .
Piccolo was right *****slapping GOhan when they were fighting Nappa

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Well from what I had read, the author of DB/DBZ had tried to retire Goku's character in the series, while trying to shift the focus onto potential new protagonists like Goten and Gohan, but fans at the time apparently weren't happy with that, thus he was forced to bring back Goku.
True. GOhan would've been GOku's successor however the fans just wanted oku back.


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Yeah the ending of GT is really depressing actually. Pretty sure Goku doesn't even go to Spirit World but literally becomes one with Shenron or something outlandish like that.

Although what I found funny about that was that Vegeta took it the hardest.
One of the few redeeming things about GT.
Well that and some cool fights...

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Old 01-17-2012, 09:01 AM   #54
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I actually really enjoy Gohan as a character though he did annoy a bit when he was younger. His genuine nature similar to Goku makes him pretty easy for me to root for.

GT will forever remain a travesty in my eyes except for maybe the Vegeta episode. Total cash grab by emulating the original series that just completely did not work.

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Old 01-17-2012, 09:39 PM   #55
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The only character I can say ever really annoyed me was Chichi.

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Old 01-18-2012, 02:33 AM   #56
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Like i said before i'm currently watching all the episodes .
This time with the japanese dub. It's weird to suddenly like certain characters when you watch them either with the Eng dub or the Jap dub.
Personally i like the english dub of Vegeta better simply because the voice somehow suits his character. Whereas i prefer the japanese dub when watching Mr Satan. Seriously he's a complete moron and that's why he's so damn likeable

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Old 01-19-2012, 02:27 AM   #57
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As much as I loved Dragon ball and DBZ, the inconsistency in their continuity and plot holes at times drove me crazy.lol

I mean, we had so many different versions of Kami's origins and how he had eventually come to separate himself from his evil half. Then there's the question of why he didn't confront King Piccolo when he was able to physically confront Piccolo Jr.

Not to mention, the inconsistency dealing with Planet Vegeta's destruction and how we had like 2-3 different takes on it.

And of course, the anime says that King Kai could use instant transmission, yet there are so many times where that trick would have been handy to use for Goku during dire times previously.lol

Finally, there's the whole logic behind on why everyone didn't follow Bulma's advice on not simply just calling the Dragon for help in order to find Gero and stop him from unleashing the androids to begin with.

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Old 01-20-2012, 12:55 AM   #58
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As much as I loved Dragon ball and DBZ, the inconsistency in their continuity and plot holes at times drove me crazy.lol

I mean, we had so many different versions of Kami's origins and how he had eventually come to separate himself from his evil half. Then there's the question of why he didn't confront King Piccolo when he was able to physically confront Piccolo Jr.

Not to mention, the inconsistency dealing with Planet Vegeta's destruction and how we had like 2-3 different takes on it.

And of course, the anime says that King Kai could use instant transmission, yet there are so many times where that trick would have been handy to use for Goku during dire times previously.lol

Finally, there's the whole logic behind on why everyone didn't follow Bulma's advice on not simply just calling the Dragon for help in order to find Gero and stop him from unleashing the androids to begin with.
Concerning the different takes on Kami's orgins and Planet Vegeta's destruction, I'm assuming you're referring to stuff brought up in the movies (Garlick Jr., Broly, etc.). Personally, I don't consider those official cannon, just a collection of bonus stories and what if's.

Kami didn't fight King Piccolo because doing so would've resulted in him dying one way or another. And that would've resulted in the dragonballs being lost as well, preventing Goku from using them to undo the damage Piccolo did. When he confronted Piccolo Jr., his intention was just to imprison him, but that backfired. Yes, I admit I'm stretching a bit on that one.

I don't remember King Kai ever saying he could use instant transmission. I remember him saying that he knew of the technique and Planet Yardracht, but I don't think he ever learned how to do it. If memory serves correctly, he didn't fully master the spirit bomb either.

It's hard to defend that last one. As full blooded Saiyans, Vegeta and Goku both were looking forward to the chance of a really good fight.

Plus, Goku had the minority report logic that was against punishing someone for something he hadn't done yet. However, this logic falls apart when you consider Gero's ties to the Red Ribbon Army.

Plus, even with super speed, teleportation, etc., it would still take some time to collect the dragonballs. Time that would've been put to better use preparing for the battle in the event that for some contrived reason, helping them find Gero wasn't within the Dragon's power.

You could also throw in the reason that considering what little information they actually had, any further preemptive action might've screwed up history more than they already had, like possibly preventing Trunk's birth.

Yes I do put a lot of thought in the Dragonball Universe.

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As much as I loved Dragon ball and DBZ, the inconsistency in their continuity and plot holes at times drove me crazy.lol

I mean, we had so many different versions of Kami's origins and how he had eventually come to separate himself from his evil half. Then there's the question of why he didn't confront King Piccolo when he was able to physically confront Piccolo Jr.

Not to mention, the inconsistency dealing with Planet Vegeta's destruction and how we had like 2-3 different takes on it.

And of course, the anime says that King Kai could use instant transmission, yet there are so many times where that trick would have been handy to use for Goku during dire times previously.lol

Finally, there's the whole logic behind on why everyone didn't follow Bulma's advice on not simply just calling the Dragon for help in order to find Gero and stop him from unleashing the androids to begin with.
I love thw fact that the Kai's are supposed to know what is going on in the Universe ( or at least their section of the Universe) yet King Kai doesn't know that Planet Vegeta was destroyed by Frieza...though he does know who Frieza is.
I mean seriously .
He actually says to Goku that Planet Vegeta was destroyed by a giant meteorite wheras a dumb runt like Dodora tells Vegeta who really destroyed his planet.

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Concerning the different takes on Kami's orgins and Planet Vegeta's destruction, I'm assuming you're referring to stuff brought up in the movies (Garlick Jr., Broly, etc.). Personally, I don't consider those official cannon, just a collection of bonus stories and what if's.

Kami didn't fight King Piccolo because doing so would've resulted in him dying one way or another. And that would've resulted in the dragonballs being lost as well, preventing Goku from using them to undo the damage Piccolo did. When he confronted Piccolo Jr., his intention was just to imprison him, but that backfired. Yes, I admit I'm stretching a bit on that one.

I don't remember King Kai ever saying he could use instant transmission. I remember him saying that he knew of the technique and Planet Yardracht, but I don't think he ever learned how to do it. If memory serves correctly, he didn't fully master the spirit bomb either.

It's hard to defend that last one. As full blooded Saiyans, Vegeta and Goku both were looking forward to the chance of a really good fight.

Plus, Goku had the minority report logic that was against punishing someone for something he hadn't done yet. However, this logic falls apart when you consider Gero's ties to the Red Ribbon Army.

Plus, even with super speed, teleportation, etc., it would still take some time to collect the dragonballs. Time that would've been put to better use preparing for the battle in the event that for some contrived reason, helping them find Gero wasn't within the Dragon's power.

You could also throw in the reason that considering what little information they actually had, any further preemptive action might've screwed up history more than they already had, like possibly preventing Trunk's birth.

Yes I do put a lot of thought in the Dragonball Universe.
lol; well the thing is though:

1. We had Raditz saying in the first episode on how their planet was supposedly destroyed by a Asteroid only 5 years before Raditz's arrival (that was in the ENG Dub). Then when Goku first came on King Kai's planet, King Kai said that the Saiyan planet was destroyed by the planet's own guardian because the guardian saw the race as corrupt and evil. And finally, we got the permanent one where Frieza was the one that destroyed it.

Speaking of which, when one of Frieza's men told Vegeta that Frieza was the one that destroyed his planet, he looked surprised, yet we saw in a flashback that was shown way later on of Vegeta telling Nappa in the past that he already knew about that.

2. King Kai in the anime, showed that he was able to do instant transmission when Goku was on his planet trying to look for New Namek's location.

3. In the anime, It took Goku less than 10 days to find the Dragonballs, during the period when he was looking for Dende's new ones. And gero wasn't innocent to begin with since he was already guilty of his involvement with the RR..plus, I doubt that it would have been beyond the Dragon's powers to find him since he was probably still human then.

4. As for King Piccolo and Kami, during the time period where Roshi and Crane Hermit were young and when they along with their master confronted King Piccolo, who was destroying most of Earth, Kami as the new guardian should have intervened since from the sounds of things, no one used the Dragon balls to revive anyone after King Piccolo was sealed away, so it doesn't make sense as to why the supposed Guardian of Earth would want to say away from his evil counterpart when he's supposed to be willing to sacrifice himself in order to protect the planet if needed be.

The role of guardian of the earth really meant nothing since the only thing that the two guardians in the DBZ canon were good for were being alive for the dragon balls..nothing more.

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So Dragonball GT is on Nicktoons now...should I watch or continue to cover my eyes and ears when it is mentioned?

I don't think I ever saw the ending of DBZ. I gave up somewhere after the Cell tournament. Majin Boo or whatever his name is I saw some of that.

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I've never seen the end of DBZ either. I stopped after the whole fusion crap started and Goku and Vegeta were stuck in Buu's belly.

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A 20 minute special just came out a sequel to Bardock's story and here it is:

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Very nice dude. I really loved that.

Although I don't know, this feels like Akira Toriyama wrote it. I love the original Bardock special so this was pretty great.

Had no idea they were making this.

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Also Orb I just looked it up and it was streamed for free by JUMP vista so it's fine.

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I liked those purple guys.

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Anyone a fan of the movies? Everywhere I go the fandom hates the movies, I don't. I love em. My two favorite DBZ villains are from the movies. Brolly, and Hildegarn.

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Same here. I just take them as "Elseworld/What if?" stories.

My favorite is Coolers Revenge. It has to be one of my all time favorite scenes. Goku brings back a bird to life by turning SSJ and goes on to school Cooler. Coolers revelation at the end was the cherry on top. The use of music and everything is incredible:

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I've only seen a few, but I liked them.

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They're pretty entertaining.

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They're pretty entertaining.
I like to call them "long episodes". They pack in all the great action, but still have the right amount of build up and dialog as the standard episodes. Movies leave nothing to be desired from me. They get the job done.

Another favorite of mine is Super Android 13, god I loved that villain. Imagine if Cell had absorbed him....

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Has anyone been buying the Blurays of Dragonball Z? at only 17 episodes in each set the whole thing won't be completed in about 3-4 years.

I'll probably wait for the eventual entire release box set if it's discounted huge online since I pretty much spent an arm and a leg getting the entire Orange brick season sets.

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Funimation actually stopped the Blu Ray production. It is now trying to find a more efficient way of doing it because apparently it was to arduous for them.

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^ Seriously?! LOL!

I'm pretty sure the hardcore fans are mighty pissed at this, a few years back Funimation was releasing the first 67 episodes with a newl redub of DBZ billed as the "Ultimate Edition" but they had released a handful of episodes before stopping production and releasing the orange brick season sets.

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