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Golden Age 8 21.05%
Weisinger version 6 15.79%
Donnerverse 5 13.16%
John Byrne Reboot 28 73.68%
Johns/Frank version 26 68.42%
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:50 PM   #51
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wiki is your friend...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Weisinger

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Old 09-01-2009, 03:22 PM   #52
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Old 09-02-2009, 03:18 AM   #53
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Looking at the poll options who was Weisinger, and what did he do with superman?
Mort's Superman was by FAR the most successful version ever and is the definitive version. People argue over it, but numbers do not lie and the fact that everything since is reworkings of what was done under him support this.

That said, I would mix things up somewhat, although the Byrne castrations have to go. But the Dan Jurgens material is crucial and has to be adapted sometime.

If I was in charge and full reign, my first phone call would be to Elliot S! Maggin actually.


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Old 09-02-2009, 04:00 AM   #54
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I agree with this. And my opinion on Krytonite is I think it's overused. I'm not saying it doesn't have it's place in the SM mythos. I'm just just saying I want a villan besides a non superpowered guy with a green rock.
I will say as much as I think Kryptonite is overused I would love to see the scene from Superman/Batman: The Search for Krytonite where Lana release all of the microscopic Krytonite into the air and SM basicly tells her the reason he chose Lana was because Lois would have never pushed the button to release the Kryptonite either on in one of the dtv releases or in a SM film. To me that scene says a lot about Lois and Clark/SMs relationship. and just to let everybody know I'm not up to date on what's going on in the SM comics, S/B: TSFK is the newest SM or Batman comic/tpb I own.

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Mort's Superman was by FAR the most successful version ever and is the definitive version. People argue over it, but numbers do not lie and the fact that everything since is reworkings of what was done under him support this.

That said, I would mix things up somewhat, although the Byrne castrations have to go. But the Dan Jurgens material is crucial and has to be adapted sometime.

If I was in charge and full reign, my first phone call would be to Elliot S! Maggin actually.
Do you get bothered too when people act like Donner's Superman is the same as these two just because they were pre crisis?

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Old 09-02-2009, 10:21 PM   #56
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I still say best thing to do next go around is mix and match the best stuff from the 30s-present day, and add the modern lex, and make an all original story or have the film be based on elements from say two or 3 best stories of superman but still be original. Like how folks say bb and tdk was based on such and such story and they pulled things from those but made an all original story.

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Old 09-02-2009, 10:56 PM   #57
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I think you could do a lot with the current Johns run--great mix of silver-age concepts and compelling, human stories. I'd also add some of the characterization from Byrne, Birthright, TAS, and For All Seasons, with light sprinkles of Morrison's crazy silver-age madness in All-Star Superman.

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Eh...I can see what it was trying to do, but I always thought the way that Superman "took down" the Elite kind-of negated his point.

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Yup find what worked the best out of all the better known eras of the character and find a good story to wrap around and bam their you go.

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Old 09-03-2009, 02:05 AM   #59
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Do you get bothered too when people act like Donner's Superman is the same as these two just because they were pre crisis?
Yes, it annoys the hell out of me. Clark Kent was never a Woody Allen ripoff in the comics. Hell, half the time in the 70's he was making Lombard look like an idiot and chuckling over it to himself.

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I like Byrne's take. Clark Kent wasn't a nerd. He was scoring touchdowns!




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Yes totally need to drop the whole clark kent persona is a nerdy/idiot/fool. You can easily make him a regular guy and still make his clark persona be vastly different then his superman persona.

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Eh...I can see what it was trying to do, but I always thought the way that Superman "took down" the Elite kind-of negated his point.
That much is true. In AC775 Superman didn't so much as show the Elite why they were wrong as he did beat them up. That's one of the tweaks that would be needed. I could see the tweak being the final confrontation taking place in Metropolis instead of in space. Superman would ask them to take it away from a populated area because of the damage that could be caused, but the Elite would refuse since they want everyone to see them kicking Superman's ass. The crowd would start out cheering for the Elite, but as they see how little the Elite really care for them and how much Superman does, they'd change over to rooting for Superman and the tide of the fight would turn. Or something like that.

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Yes totally need to drop the whole clark kent persona is a nerdy/idiot/fool. You can easily make him a regular guy and still make his clark persona be vastly different then his superman persona.
It depends on how it is done. Morrison and Quitely did it very well in All Star Superman. I could see it being played that Clark is a big, somewhat clumsy farm boy who played offensive line in high school football and isn't the smoothest or sophisticated of people while still being competent and smart.

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Mort's Superman was by FAR the most successful version ever and is the definitive version. People argue over it, but numbers do not lie and the fact that everything since is reworkings of what was done under him support this.

That said, I would mix things up somewhat, although the Byrne castrations have to go. But the Dan Jurgens material is crucial and has to be adapted sometime.

If I was in charge and full reign, my first phone call would be to Elliot S! Maggin actually.
Then he would be in favor of a SR sequel since he loved the movie,

"I liked Superman Returns. They did two things really deftly: (1) they dealt effectively with Superman's absence the day the Trade Center fell, much better than we ever did justifying his apparent absence during World War II, and (2) the disposition of the relationship with Lois was, I thought, just perfect and appropriately bittersweet. I hope the movie continuity progresses from that point."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comi...terview_maggin


He also said this,

IDEAS: Have you seen the new film? What did you think?
MAGGIN: I loved it! Isn't that appalling? There have been dozens of us writing this character over the past 70 years, and what the makers of this movie did was take the questions we've been asking and begin to answer them. I don't want to spoil it, but they resolved the Lois and Superman relationship much better than I would have ever had the chance to do. And I was glad to have Clark back to being bumbling, because that's the way I used to write him. The manners are the disguise, not the glasses or the clothes, and Brandon Routh did a great job with that.


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He might be, but I doubt WB would be....At this point its looking like none of us get what we want.

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Yea and if things go totally south we might not have anything, which would be so darn disapointing. If they cant get things up and going.

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Then he would be in favor of a SR sequel since he loved the movie,

"I liked Superman Returns. They did two things really deftly: (1) they dealt effectively with Superman's absence the day the Trade Center fell, much better than we ever did justifying his apparent absence during World War II, and (2) the disposition of the relationship with Lois was, I thought, just perfect and appropriately bittersweet. I hope the movie continuity progresses from that point."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comi...terview_maggin


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IDEAS: Have you seen the new film? What did you think?
MAGGIN: I loved it! Isn't that appalling? There have been dozens of us writing this character over the past 70 years, and what the makers of this movie did was take the questions we've been asking and begin to answer them. I don't want to spoil it, but they resolved the Lois and Superman relationship much better than I would have ever had the chance to do. And I was glad to have Clark back to being bumbling, because that's the way I used to write him. The manners are the disguise, not the glasses or the clothes, and Brandon Routh did a great job with that.


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ide...liot_s_maggin/





Well, Maggin did always take a very humanized approach to Superman, but I'd personally reboot and start with an adaption of his Last Son of Krypton novel. Nobody has ever written the young Clark material even close to as well as what Maggin did in that novel and it's sequel Miracle Monday.

The bumbling Clark is a Donnerverse creation...the Silver/Bronze age Clark was more of a cross between that character and the George Reeves version.

Byrne's Clark was rubbish and is a direct spit in the face of Jerry Siegel. It's unacceptable and disgusting.

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Yes totally need to drop the whole clark kent persona is a nerdy/idiot/fool. You can easily make him a regular guy and still make his clark persona be vastly different then his superman persona.
Some of that HAS to be there. The whole idea and appeal of Superman is being so godly under a meek exterior. Siegel intended for that to be the way Clark is.

However, it can be developed past that, especially if Lois knows his secret. I'd like a close-ish adaptation of Maggin's novel leading up to a certain point. I also wouldn't mind seeing parts of K-Metal in a future movie and the idea of Krypton's explosion creating other superpowered people is interesting. That and the future JSA appearance are probably the best things to come out of Smallville.

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I see that but we dont need to have clark be a nerdy blumbly guy all the time when he is clark kent.

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Old 09-05-2009, 06:58 AM   #72
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Clark Kent is just ordinary farm boy in a big City.

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Old 09-05-2009, 08:42 AM   #73
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I was just thinking about this. With all the crap of the siegel lawsuit and what the studio can and can't use , just how much of Kingdom Come is usable if you consider all the things that need to be removed ( kent farm etc. ).

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Some of that HAS to be there. The whole idea and appeal of Superman is being so godly under a meek exterior. Siegel intended for that to be the way Clark is.

However, it can be developed past that, especially if Lois knows his secret. I'd like a close-ish adaptation of Maggin's novel leading up to a certain point. I also wouldn't mind seeing parts of K-Metal in a future movie and the idea of Krypton's explosion creating other superpowered people is interesting. That and the future JSA appearance are probably the best things to come out of Smallville.

Meek does NOT mean nerdy or geeky. It means quiet and easily fading into the background. I'm all for that but if I see any more comedic nerdy bumbling Clark... well, I'll be done with any film franchise that perpetuates that.

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Definitely the STAS version is the most realistic and down to earth. This would resonate well with the mainstream public, and the success of the series itself is testament to how well it would play out on the big screen.

I'd love to see Bruce Timm write a trilogy that led up to Legacy for the big screen.

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