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Old 10-16-2009, 04:15 PM   #101
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Frankly, this "over-the-top" criticism is kind of hypocritical. If you can buy this guy in a cape and cowl can seem like a scary creature of the night to criminals, why suddenly a growly voice is too over-the-top? The point is not to sound "natural", itīs to project a supernatural beast persona.
He doesn't need to sound like a "supernatural beast persona" while talking to Gordon, Lucius, or anybody he's not meant to intimidate. It was balanced far better in Begins then it was in TDK.

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Bales voice was best in Batman Begins when he's talking to Flass. When he is talking to Gordon and Joker at the end of TDK it was just awful. Why the hell did they adjust his voice?

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Old 10-18-2009, 08:47 AM   #103
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He doesn't need to sound like a "supernatural beast persona" while talking to Gordon, Lucius, or anybody he's not meant to intimidate. It was balanced far better in Begins then it was in TDK.
Igf you want to create a persona for yourself, it has to be with you at all times as you impersonate it. Like the actor who stays in character throough the whole shooting.

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Bales voice was best in Batman Begins when he's talking to Flass. When he is talking to Gordon and Joker at the end of TDK it was just awful. Why the hell did they adjust his voice?
"The people of this city *inhale* just proved you wrong."

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"The people of this city *inhale* just proved you wrong."

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Igf you want to create a persona for yourself, it has to be with you at all times as you impersonate it. Like the actor who stays in character throough the whole shooting.
Hehe, no he doesn't. You seriously think Batman needs to growl at EVERYBODY he talks to, just so he can "stay in Bat-character"? Bale stayed in character in Begins, yet, he wasn't growling at everybody he talked to. He really only used it when he was trying to intimidate others, but when he talked to Gordon or Rachel, it was more of a deep-whisper then a full on growl.

I understand why Batman should have a different voice then Bruce Wayne, but that doesn't mean his voice has to be so muttled that everybody has a hard time understanding what he's saying. He literally sounded like he had strep-throat and asthma, while he was speaking.

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Old 10-18-2009, 02:59 PM   #108
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Did Bale get these kinds of critiques on his voice after BB?
He got some, but nothing of the magnitude it is now. I think it has to do with a few things.

1.) The voice modulation they did in TDK didn't help the problem, it made it worse.
2.) He had less scenes where he used the Bat-voice in TDK. For the first half of the movie he was all Wayne.
3.) TDK was such a big deal that many more people saw it, and so more people were exposed to it.

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Hehe, no he doesn't. You seriously think Batman needs to growl at EVERYBODY he talks to, just so he can "stay in Bat-character"? Bale stayed in character in Begins, yet, he wasn't growling at everybody he talked to. He really only used it when he was trying to intimidate others, but when he talked to Gordon or Rachel, it was more of a deep-whisper then a full on growl.

I understand why Batman should have a different voice then Bruce Wayne, but that doesn't mean his voice has to be so muttled that everybody has a hard time understanding what he's saying. He literally sounded like he had strep-throat and asthma, while he was speaking.
In his speech to Gordon at the end, for instance, I didnīt really see this "asthma" thing, there was some growl, but it just made his voice raspy, not beast-like. The same for the bank vault scene. English is not my first language and I still understood everything he said just fine.

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"The people of this city *inhale* just proved you wrong."

"He destroyed you *inhale* because you were the best of us."
He was in the middle of a fight with the Joker, who held his throat for a good while, youīd need to inhale to talk too.

Funny thing is, the growl thing didnīt start with him, Keaton started it, he just made it more intense. Donīt tell me Keaton sounds like a "normal person" saying "I`m Batman" because he doesnīt. Granted, most of the time itīs more like a whisper, still very much a forced, "persona" voice.

For some reason, fanboys seem to think itīs more "realistic" to sound like you talked all day and lost your voice...

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In his speech to Gordon at the end, for instance, I didnīt really see this "asthma" thing, there was some growl, but it just made his voice raspy, not beast-like. The same for the bank vault scene. English is not my first language and I still understood everything he said just fine.
I never had any problem understanding him either. The only person I had trouble understanding was Gordon at the end when he was giving his speech. Not because Oldman speaks strangely but because the music was so loud at my theater.

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I really don't get the hate for the Bat-Voice in TDK.

I hated, hated, hated, his Bat-Voice in Begins, but thought his Bat-Voice in TDK was a big improvement. (Especially during the end speech. It was more of a whisper than a grunt) I'd hate for the 3rd Batman to go back to the Begins grunt.

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Igf you want to create a persona for yourself, it has to be with you at all times as you impersonate it. Like the actor who stays in character throough the whole shooting.
Then why did Batman speak in his Bruce Wayne voice to Rachel when he said that "He's safe." line?

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Whereīs that scene, I donīt remember. If itīs in TDK, Rachel knows his secret identity anyway, so he doensīt need to hide or to project his persona to her.

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He was in the middle of a fight with the Joker, who held his throat for a good while, youīd need to inhale to talk too.

Funny thing is, the growl thing didnīt start with him, Keaton started it, he just made it more intense. Donīt tell me Keaton sounds like a "normal person" saying "I`m Batman" because he doesnīt. Granted, most of the time itīs more like a whisper, still very much a forced, "persona" voice.

For some reason, fanboys seem to think itīs more "realistic" to sound like you talked all day and lost your voice...


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I never had any problem understanding him either. The only person I had trouble understanding was Gordon at the end when he was giving his speech. Not because Oldman speaks strangely but because the music was so loud at my theater.
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Whereīs that scene, I donīt remember. If itīs in TDK, Rachel knows his secret identity anyway, so he doesnīt need to hide or to project his persona to her.
Calling for Alfred's help in BB? The cellular imaging room with Lucius in TDK?

As for the scene in question, it was in TDK where they land on the car after the freefall rescue. Bats hardly speaks the line, it was more of a whisper.

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One thing that slightly bothered me about Bale in TDK was not just the voice in parts but the fact that he seemed to be using over-exagerated mouth movements. Particularly during the last scene with Gordon "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian."

I love TDK and I think it works on nearly all levels but I have to admit that the voice and Bales mouth movements were distracting at times. Like Nolan should have choosen another take. But obviously that's what he wanted.

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Kevin Conroy was pretty much correct in what he had to say. Although I'm not as sunny about Bale's Bruce Wayne as he is.

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The reason Batman's voice sounds different at the end of TDK is because he has been shot and fallen off a building (or if we're discussing the Joker scene, he has just been savagely beaten). It was a rough night for Bats.

And the reason he keeps his "bat-voice" when he talks to Rachel is that its not just a digusie for him, its a persona. He is Batman all night, not just when he is around other people. Its a frame of mind he puts himself into, keeps him sharp.

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After watching that video on the Hype's front page. I can say that one positive of Bale's batvoice is that it can be hilariously spoofed.

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After watching that video on the Hype's front page. I can say that one positive of Bale's batvoice is that it can be hilariously spoofed.
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Calling for Alfred's help in BB? The cellular imaging room with Lucius in TDK?

As for the scene in question, it was in TDK where they land on the car after the freefall rescue. Bats hardly speaks the line, it was more of a whisper.
He was still out in the street when he called Alfred, and he had to be loud. If we think of the different personas of Batman, when he was talking to Rachel it was a more emotional, personal moment, it was more Bruce Wayne than Batman - plus he had just had a big fall - when he was talkiing to Lucius, he was talking as Batman.

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I liked how Gordon was trying to help him out, looking the other way for long periods of time so Batman could try to leave, and saying "Thanks Batman, we would've never found that evidence without you."

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