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Old 10-23-2009, 05:39 PM   #51
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Wasn't aware of the Hebrew translation of his Kryptonian name.

Fair enough then but I think turning him into a Jesus like character on screen is in a way making him a Golden Calf.

I think making him too "Jesus" is doing exactly that, and is why I think it is important to at least stay away from any messiah Superman stuff.

The people attempting to worship him situation has happened in the comics, but for a movie turning him into the Golden Calf is not really where I want to see things go.
never liked it myself either. i prefer the "best a man can be" version than the "god-like" version.

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Old 10-23-2009, 07:38 PM   #52
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I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......

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totally that would be great parallels for clark and lex.

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In real life if superman only had his power of flight he would be venerated as some sort of messiah by alot of people out there.

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yeah, it would be pathetic at all the cults that would form.

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I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......
i like this. sounds good to me.

JorEl shouldn't send him to help humans. he did it to save kalel, and it is kalel that takes on the role.

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never liked it myself either. i prefer the "best a man can be" version than the "god-like" version.
Problem is that no matter how noble any man could be or whatever any man could do, he would never be super-powered ad invulnerable like Superman is. Superman is God-like but not God.

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Problem is that no matter how noble any man could be or whatever any man could do, he would never be super-powered ad invulnerable like Superman is. Superman is God-like but not God.
while in a sense you are right, if you really delve into the character, theh have done creative ways of showing that all the goodness is him as a person independent of his powers . 1) when he doesn't have his powers, he still acts the exact same way , or 2) when other people have his powers, they greatly abuse it. 3) they show him being raised in alternate realities where he wasn't raised with the values and morals.

i like this discussion.

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it would be interesting to see what they would do with that.

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oh totally some things should be left open and not fully explained. But in my mind certain things should be explained a little bit.
fair enough, but i don't think the initial 3 questions are necessary

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I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......
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from blackest night;

'clark slouches, wears clothes two sizes too big for him and raises his voice an octave'

hal talking to barry

that is a good enough disguise for someone who has spent any real time with superman (normal civilian) or someone who has spent time with clark kent (superhero) but eliminates virtually everyone except probably lois lane.

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from blackest night;

'clark slouches, wears clothes two sizes too big for him and raises his voice an octave'

hal talking to barry

that is a good enough disguise for someone who has spent any real time with superman (normal civilian) or someone who has spent time with clark kent (superhero) but eliminates virtually everyone except probably lois lane.
nice. and maybe lana too. i think it was superman for all seasons when lana sent clark a letter saying, as soon as i saw the news with the feats of superman, i knew it was you. something like that.

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they really should next go around play into how/way clark develops his metropolis like and act compared to his hero look and persona.

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Old 10-25-2009, 05:25 PM   #65
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his need to eat/sleep should be addressed..

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oh dear...

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Also, whether he has a penis or not. That's of vital importance.

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I suppose I can understand it to a degree, but for an acclaimed investigative reporter, it doesn't reflect well on Lois that she can't figure out Clark Kent and Superman are the same two people. Even with glasses.

As for eating and sleeping (not sure if that's a real question), I don't see why not. Anything could be explored/addressed and I certainly wouldn't mind. Wouldn't surprise me if both are different from humans.

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while it is true they can be explored, remember we are talking about a 2 hour movie. now if we are talking about a trilogy or series, those things can be explored, way too short for a single movie.

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oh totally i think most of us are talking about things we like to see get addressed done over a course of a series of films.

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Old 11-03-2009, 08:41 PM   #71
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here are three reasons why i would like how superman's suit is made be addressed:

1)so it feels like something clark is wearing when turning into superman rather than a costume the actor is wearing when playing the role of superman. the suits origin needs to be addressed so it basically feels like its part of the world.

2)so the look and materials of the suit look like they were chosen by clark rather than the costume department. would clark really have chosen to have the \s/ put on the bottom of his boot and have tiny superman emblem's engraved into the main emblem?

3)so we finally gets answers as to why does he wear underwear on the outside of his suit and why does he wear a cape if he can fly without it.

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I suppose I can understand it to a degree, but for an acclaimed investigative reporter, it doesn't reflect well on Lois that she can't figure out Clark Kent and Superman are the same two people. Even with glasses.

As for eating and sleeping (not sure if that's a real question), I don't see why not. Anything could be explored/addressed and I certainly wouldn't mind. Wouldn't surprise me if both are different from humans.

You should read some of the other posts on this thread, they go into detail on how his secret is kept from Lois, and how this coudl be translated to a movie.

The reason does not need to be perfect, but just direct the audience away from it.

Easiest reason is how people build up their heros with mental exaggeration.

The other issue is that identity is much less about specific facial features, and more body language, speech patern, voice etc... Non-Verbal is for example about 90% of human communication.

Other issues are a seeming 3-4" height difference with Clark and Superman.

As Clark, he would slouch -2 or -3 inches, and wear flat sole shoes -1 inch compared to normal footwear every one else has on.

As Superman he would stand with good posture, and wear boots with a normal 1.5 inch heel, and 0.5 inch padding on the inside of the boot. The result is him seeming 4"-5" taller than Clark. That is a big contrast.

Add that to voice and body language and it should be convincing enough.

The last thing to add to it, is that because Superman does not wear a mask, no body looks for his secret. By not wearing a mask he gives the impression he is superman fulltime.

That way, as Clark, he could wav it in their face, and claim to be Superman, and people would think he is joking. Humans refuse to see what they are not looking for.

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totally valid point there.

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How would your write a scene into a film that addressed these topics?

"thank you for saving me Superman..by the way..what is your suits logo made from?"

I think it depends on Superman's own personal knowledge, how would superman know how he flies?

* Doesn't mean that i wouldn't want the director and writer to think about these things and maybe tell us in blogs during the filming

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well costume could be told by us when we see it being made and all that. As for the other stuff i dont know.

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