The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread - Page 4

Genesis 1.0 · 10-13-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFerret

Gen, you see why I hate new power developments in a lot of characters? When "probability control" turns into "transmutation into legos", there's a problem.

Yes and No, SF.

On the one hand, I see what you mean about radically different powersets that seem to contradict a character.

On the other, for big events or times whem things need to change in your company, I'd raher have a known, beloved character have a massive upgrade or change in personality rather than bringing in a long line of disposable villans to fill he void.

Am I more likely to give a damn about Wanda's powers evolving and her snapping or some reality warping midget from the planet Douche-11A bent on revenge for the Hulk eating his planet.

SuperFerret · 10-13-2009, 09:40 PM

How about another pre-existing character that actually can alter reality?

Johnny Blaze · 10-13-2009, 09:50 PM

Because then they couldn't **** up an already good character by completely reversing her personality, making her bat**** crazy, and all of sudden, hey, now she can warp reality too.

bkhedr · 10-14-2009, 03:45 AM

See to me her power upgrade is somewhat reasonable. Let's not forget that Busiek turned her into the Avengers all purpose beat the big bad guy weapon long before Bendis every got a hold of her.

I mean nobody complained when she went from useless to able to hurt Ultron and Nefaria, and summon Wonderman from the dead. It all made sense, hadn't Wanda already demonstrated her untapped potential by literally willing two baby boys into existence?

Bendis took it a step further, and while I don't agree with him making her have a breakdown and go crazy, given all that's she been through in her life, its not that far fetched. Just like her power upgrade from Chaos magic wielder able to full blown reality manipulator is not that far fetched either.

Now as for the fight in question, I don't see how DC wins. Consider that all power reality manip Wanda is not just me picking to consider her to be at her most powerful, there's nothing random about it, her last confirmed display of power (the last time she used her powers as far as anybody knows, and therefore the powers we should assume she has right now) she rewrote reality despite the fact that Doc Strange and Xavier were actively trying to prevent her from doing so.

If Xavier and Strange combined couldn't control her why would Arthur fare any better? He's not the telepath Xavier is, or the magic wielder Strange is, let alone both working together.

Hell not only did she completely rewrite reality, she was able to resurrect people at will.

Like it or not Wanda is the biggest baddest mofo of the six involved in that battle.

With a thought Wanda rewrites reality so that her opponents never even existed. How do the three DC'ers beat that?

Marvel Wins

Majic Walrus · 10-14-2009, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkhedr

See to me her power upgrade is somewhat reasonable. Let's not forget that Busiek turned her into the Avengers all purpose beat the big bad guy weapon long before Bendis every got a hold of her.

I mean nobody complained when she went from useless to able to hurt Ultron and Nefaria, and summon Wonderman from the dead. It all made sense, hadn't Wanda already demonstrated her untapped potential by literally willing two baby boys into existence?

Bendis took it a step further, and while I don't agree with him making her have a breakdown and go crazy, given all that's she been through in her life, its not that far fetched. Just like her power upgrade from Chaos magic wielder able to full blown reality manipulator is not that far fetched either.

Now as for the fight in question, I don't see how DC wins. Consider that all power reality manip Wanda is not just me picking to consider her to be at her most powerful, there's nothing random about it, her last confirmed display of power (the last time she used her powers as far as anybody knows, and therefore the powers we should assume she has right now) she rewrote reality despite the fact that Doc Strange and Xavier were actively trying to prevent her from doing so.

If Xavier and Strange combined couldn't control her why would Arthur fare any better? He's not the telepath Xavier is, or the magic wielder Strange is, let alone both working together.

Hell not only did she completely rewrite reality, she was able to resurrect people at will.

Like it or not Wanda is the biggest baddest mofo of the six involved in that battle.

With a thought Wanda rewrites reality so that her opponents never even existed. How do the three DC'ers beat that?

Marvel Wins

Adnaw eid!

bkhedr · 10-14-2009, 06:22 AM

Wanda trumped Doc Strange and Xavier combined dude. No doubt she trumps Zatanna.

In any case she'll think Zatanna into oblivion before Zatanna can speak the words

bkhedr · 10-14-2009, 06:31 AM

On another note, the more I think about it, the more I think there's no reason Sue can't beat Hal straight up.

Hound55 · 10-14-2009, 09:31 AM

To me Wanda was always going to eventually have a massive power upgrade to epic proportions, it was only a matter of time.

You can't have a relatively piss weak character left that way with so much potential high-end power (if you were to take her literal power into consideration) without eventually exploring the full extent of what could happen with that character...

Look at Dark Phoenix... Its a running theme, the sleeper...

That said, I'll still take the DC three, because I'm assuming that version of Scarlet Witch was not the one that has been considered (although if it hasn't its a blowout in the other direction, in terms of powersets, anyway...)

Blacklight · 10-14-2009, 03:37 PM

If my counting is correct, the final tally is 7-1 for DC!

Next match up later today

SpiderByte · 10-14-2009, 03:41 PM

I nominate Deadpool for the Marvel side!

Blacklight · 10-14-2009, 04:34 PM

Next match:

SOLOMON GRUNDY, FIRESTORM (Rusch) and DEATHSTROKE

vs.

HULK, HUMAN TORCH and DEADPOOL

Genesis 1.0 · 10-14-2009, 06:02 PM

SF, the other 2 guys went even further in explaining my view so I don't see a need to continue in that thread.

Current Match:

Much more even than the last.

HUlk def. Grundy

Firestorm def. Torch

Deathstroke & Deadpool effectively cancel each oher out for the duration of any 1 battle.

Hulk ges badly burned, regenerates, gets more pissed, Firestorm goes SPLAT.

Marvel

Majic Walrus · 10-14-2009, 07:41 PM

Hulk kills everyone.

Marvel wins.

Franklin Richards · 10-14-2009, 07:52 PM

Johnny teaches them the ol' switcheroo.

Hulk takes out Firestorm.
Deadpool takes out Grundy.
Torch takes out Deathstroke.

or

Hulk takes out Deathstroke
Deadpool takes out Firestorm
Torch takes out Grundy

Franklin Richards · 10-14-2009, 07:53 PM

Johnny teaches them the ol' switcheroo.

Hulk takes out Firestorm.
Deadpool takes out Grundy.
Torch takes out Deathstroke.

or

Hulk takes out Deathstroke
Deadpool takes out Firestorm
Torch takes out Grundy

SuperFerret · 10-14-2009, 08:52 PM

Firestorm has the potential to end everyone in this match easily, he just won't realize it. The Hulk and Grundy are as much of a liability to their own teams as they are threats to their opponents, hell, this match up looks like a six man free-for-all. It's a sad day when the most responsible sane individual in the match is Johnny Storm. I honestly can't say who wins.

Gen, let's just drop it and agree to never use Wanda in any match ever again, k?

Johnny Blaze · 10-14-2009, 09:00 PM

Yeah, if this was the Rusch/Stein Firestorm, or Ronnie Raymond, then I'd give it to them. He'd then have the experience and know-how to use his awesome powers effectively and it'd get really ruff for team Marvel.

SuperFerret · 10-14-2009, 09:08 PM

Firestorm still can't affect living tissue, right?

Johnny Blaze · 10-14-2009, 09:26 PM

Don't know, been a few years since I stopped buying new comics. Even still, he could affect **** inside one's body, like gases, food, etc.

SuperFerret · 10-14-2009, 09:29 PM

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. What good is it being 70% water if it all spontaneously turns into chlorine or some junk?

Johnny Blaze · 10-14-2009, 09:38 PM

Don't think he'd be that ruthless, but there's plenty of other **** he can transmute it to to put Deadpool or Torch out of the match. Hulk, I don't think he'd be able to do too much to, other than piss him off.

Which is why I vote for the Marvel boys as I think Hulk will be the last one standing after he beats the **** out of the DC team, and his two teammates.

SuperFerret · 10-14-2009, 09:47 PM

I know he's not that ruthless, but it's just stuff I'm thinking up that he could feasibly accomplish.

bkhedr · 10-15-2009, 03:00 AM

Marvel. Hulk's presence is the deciding factor.

PemLam · 10-15-2009, 02:07 PM

Marvel...solely because of the Hulk (who I don't care for).

SpiderByte · 10-15-2009, 03:10 PM

Deadpool's almost invincible. He'll just shoot at whatever gets in his way.

While eating a taco.

BLINDFOLDED.

Hulk will just beat the hell out of...well....probably Deadpool. And Solomon.

Firestorm could take out Johnny, but Johnny could probably fry Deathstroke.

Marvel for me.

10-13-2009, 09:40 PM	#77
SuperFerret Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SuperFerret's Shoebox of Solitude Posts: 32,559	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread How about another pre-existing character that actually can alter reality? __________________ Faster than a speeding hamster. -----More powerful than a box of tissues. ----------Able to leap off of tall buildings and hit the ground.

10-13-2009, 09:50 PM	#78
Johnny Blaze Freethinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Reality Posts: 21,097	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Because then they couldn't ** up an already good character by completely reversing her personality, making her bat crazy, and all of sudden, hey, now she can warp reality too. __________________ "Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."**

10-14-2009, 03:45 AM	#79
bkhedr Man of Mayhem Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frak!!! Posts: 3,529	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread See to me her power upgrade is somewhat reasonable. Let's not forget that Busiek turned her into the Avengers all purpose beat the big bad guy weapon long before Bendis every got a hold of her. I mean nobody complained when she went from useless to able to hurt Ultron and Nefaria, and summon Wonderman from the dead. It all made sense, hadn't Wanda already demonstrated her untapped potential by literally willing two baby boys into existence? Bendis took it a step further, and while I don't agree with him making her have a breakdown and go crazy, given all that's she been through in her life, its not that far fetched. Just like her power upgrade from Chaos magic wielder able to full blown reality manipulator is not that far fetched either. Now as for the fight in question, I don't see how DC wins. Consider that all power reality manip Wanda is not just me picking to consider her to be at her most powerful, there's nothing random about it, her last confirmed display of power (the last time she used her powers as far as anybody knows, and therefore the powers we should assume she has right now) she rewrote reality despite the fact that Doc Strange and Xavier were actively trying to prevent her from doing so. If Xavier and Strange combined couldn't control her why would Arthur fare any better? He's not the telepath Xavier is, or the magic wielder Strange is, let alone both working together. Hell not only did she completely rewrite reality, she was able to resurrect people at will. Like it or not Wanda is the biggest baddest mofo of the six involved in that battle. With a thought Wanda rewrites reality so that her opponents never even existed. How do the three DC'ers beat that? Marvel Wins __________________ Cedat Fortuna Peritis - Skill is better than luck "Kneel before Zod!"

10-14-2009, 06:22 AM	#81
bkhedr Man of Mayhem Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frak!!! Posts: 3,529	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Wanda trumped Doc Strange and Xavier combined dude. No doubt she trumps Zatanna. In any case she'll think Zatanna into oblivion before Zatanna can speak the words __________________ Cedat Fortuna Peritis - Skill is better than luck "Kneel before Zod!"

10-14-2009, 06:31 AM	#82
bkhedr Man of Mayhem Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frak!!! Posts: 3,529	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread On another note, the more I think about it, the more I think there's no reason Sue can't beat Hal straight up. __________________ Cedat Fortuna Peritis - Skill is better than luck "Kneel before Zod!"

10-14-2009, 09:31 AM	#83
Hound55 Byfar The Most Evil Thing Join Date: May 2009 Location: Merry old land of Aust. Posts: 10,053	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread To me Wanda was always going to eventually have a massive power upgrade to epic proportions, it was only a matter of time. You can't have a relatively piss weak character left that way with so much potential high-end power (if you were to take her literal power into consideration) without eventually exploring the full extent of what could happen with that character... Look at Dark Phoenix... Its a running theme, the sleeper... That said, I'll still take the DC three, because I'm assuming that version of Scarlet Witch was not the one that has been considered (although if it hasn't its a blowout in the other direction, in terms of powersets, anyway...)

10-14-2009, 03:37 PM	#84
Blacklight Revamped and Renegade. Join Date: May 2007 Location: East City Posts: 6,776	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread If my counting is correct, the final tally is 7-1 for DC! Next match up later today

10-14-2009, 03:41 PM	#85
SpiderByte Banned User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tacoville Posts: 6,114	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread I nominate Deadpool for the Marvel side!

10-14-2009, 04:34 PM	#86
Blacklight Revamped and Renegade. Join Date: May 2007 Location: East City Posts: 6,776	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Next match: SOLOMON GRUNDY, FIRESTORM (Rusch) and DEATHSTROKE vs. HULK, HUMAN TORCH and DEADPOOL

10-14-2009, 06:02 PM	#87
Genesis 1.0 Thread Overlord's Minion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 8,549	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread SF, the other 2 guys went even further in explaining my view so I don't see a need to continue in that thread. Current Match: Much more even than the last. HUlk def. Grundy Firestorm def. Torch Deathstroke & Deadpool effectively cancel each oher out for the duration of any 1 battle. Hulk ges badly burned, regenerates, gets more pissed, Firestorm goes *SPLAT.* Marvel __________________ The Baltimore Ravens: Stab N' Grab World Champions "What is Dead may never Die."

10-14-2009, 07:52 PM	#89
Franklin Richards Banned User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Baxter Building Posts: 23,030	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Johnny teaches them the ol' switcheroo. Hulk takes out Firestorm. Deadpool takes out Grundy. Torch takes out Deathstroke. or Hulk takes out Deathstroke Deadpool takes out Firestorm Torch takes out Grundy

10-14-2009, 07:53 PM	#90
Franklin Richards Banned User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Baxter Building Posts: 23,030	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Johnny teaches them the ol' switcheroo. Hulk takes out Firestorm. Deadpool takes out Grundy. Torch takes out Deathstroke. or Hulk takes out Deathstroke Deadpool takes out Firestorm Torch takes out Grundy

10-14-2009, 08:52 PM	#91
SuperFerret Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SuperFerret's Shoebox of Solitude Posts: 32,559	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Firestorm has the potential to end everyone in this match easily, he just won't realize it. The Hulk and Grundy are as much of a liability to their own teams as they are threats to their opponents, hell, this match up looks like a six man free-for-all. It's a sad day when the most responsible sane individual in the match is Johnny Storm. I honestly can't say who wins. Gen, let's just drop it and agree to never use Wanda in any match ever again, k? __________________ Faster than a speeding hamster. -----More powerful than a box of tissues. ----------Able to leap off of tall buildings and hit the ground.

10-14-2009, 09:00 PM	#92
Johnny Blaze Freethinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Reality Posts: 21,097	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Yeah, if this was the Rusch/Stein Firestorm, or Ronnie Raymond, then I'd give it to them. He'd then have the experience and know-how to use his awesome powers effectively and it'd get really ruff for team Marvel. __________________ "Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."

10-14-2009, 09:08 PM	#93
SuperFerret Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SuperFerret's Shoebox of Solitude Posts: 32,559	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Firestorm still can't affect living tissue, right? __________________ Faster than a speeding hamster. -----More powerful than a box of tissues. ----------Able to leap off of tall buildings and hit the ground.

10-14-2009, 09:26 PM	#94
Johnny Blaze Freethinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Reality Posts: 21,097	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Don't know, been a few years since I stopped buying new comics. Even still, he could affect ** inside one's body, like gases, food, etc. __________________ "Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."**

10-14-2009, 09:29 PM	#95
SuperFerret Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SuperFerret's Shoebox of Solitude Posts: 32,559	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Yeah, that's what I was thinking. What good is it being 70% water if it all spontaneously turns into chlorine or some junk? __________________ Faster than a speeding hamster. -----More powerful than a box of tissues. ----------Able to leap off of tall buildings and hit the ground.

10-14-2009, 09:38 PM	#96
Johnny Blaze Freethinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Reality Posts: 21,097	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Don't think he'd be that ruthless, but there's plenty of other ** he can transmute it to to put Deadpool or Torch out of the match. Hulk, I don't think he'd be able to do too much to, other than piss him off. Which is why I vote for the Marvel boys as I think Hulk will be the last one standing after he beats the out of the DC team, and his two teammates. __________________ "Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."**

10-14-2009, 09:47 PM	#97
SuperFerret Side-Kick Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SuperFerret's Shoebox of Solitude Posts: 32,559	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread I know he's not that ruthless, but it's just stuff I'm thinking up that he could feasibly accomplish. __________________ Faster than a speeding hamster. -----More powerful than a box of tissues. ----------Able to leap off of tall buildings and hit the ground.

10-15-2009, 03:00 AM	#98
bkhedr Man of Mayhem Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frak!!! Posts: 3,529	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Marvel. Hulk's presence is the deciding factor. __________________ Cedat Fortuna Peritis - Skill is better than luck "Kneel before Zod!"

10-15-2009, 02:07 PM	#99
PemLam Whoa! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,376	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Marvel...solely because of the Hulk (who I don't care for).

10-15-2009, 03:10 PM	#100
SpiderByte Banned User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tacoville Posts: 6,114	Re: The Marvel/DC "3 vs. 3" Battle thread Deadpool's almost invincible. He'll just shoot at whatever gets in his way. While eating a taco. BLINDFOLDED. Hulk will just beat the hell out of...well....probably Deadpool. And Solomon. Firestorm could take out Johnny, but Johnny could probably fry Deathstroke. Marvel for me. Last edited by SpiderByte; 10-15-2009 at 03:13 PM.

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