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Old 10-21-2009, 04:01 AM   #1
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I'm watching Superman Returns as I write this. And there's something about the movie that has botrhered me since the movie was released. A misconception that I desperately hope the next writers do not repeat in the forthcoming movie ...if there ever is going to be one.

Do NOT write Superman like he's some kind of trophy collecting dust on a mantlepiece. That is to say, do not make the mistake of writing Superman only as some disembodied demi-god. Do not make the mistake that Superman Returns made - the entire movie danced around Superman without spending much effort on Kal-el himself. Just as if Superman was everyone's prized posession that sat stale underneath a glass dome in the middle of the room. As everyone danced and fluttered around him, all eyes fixed on Superman. But not really interacting with him. As if the movie was more interested in dealing with the CONCEPT of Superman's world rather than the man himself.

The reason I chose to post this here is that I desperately hope someone reads this and takes away my one true hope in the next Superman movie - please, please write Superman's character as if he's a real breathing person. Of all the characters in Superman Returns, Brandon Routh had just about the least amount of lines in the entire movie. Do not be afraid to let Clark speak! Do not be afraid to let Superman's humanity show through his superpowers. There's a scene in Superman II that perfectly sums up what I want every writer to recapture in Superman - the scene where the bus full of commuters is thrown at Superman. You could see for one terrible moment the very human-like panic in Christopher Reeve's performance.

...okay, okay. Maybe it was the weakness in Brandon Routh's acting. Maybe it was a weakness in the script and screenplay. Maybe it was a weakness in the directing. There's no way I can say whose fault it was since I'm just a lowly fanboy sitting here at 4 in the morning watching movies.

Clark may be a Kryptonian. But he's a man who wears many hats. At the core of who he is, is a son to two families, a small town farm boy at heart. And he's a stern demi-god saviour of us all, a stone hearted Kryptonian, a lover and a goofy reporter. All at once. It should be fun watching him attempt to be all these things at once . As if you're watching him choose these proverbial "hats" like he's trying to use a slide rule to to solve a math problem.

In short, don't be afraid to give him lines. Real meat-and-bones dialog.

Show him mad.

Show him happy.

Show fear in him.

Show desire, lust in him. Don't be afraid to show Clark as a hunk.

Show his emotional weaknesses.

Show his strength.

Show his courage.

Show him as a man.

Yes, As a Demi-God.

Show him as your uncle. Your brother. Your Dad. Your teacher.

Show him growing as a person.

Show his wisdom.

But dog gone-it, make Superman chew some dialog for once.


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Old 10-21-2009, 04:06 AM   #2
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Agreed and agreed.

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Old 10-21-2009, 08:19 AM   #3
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As do I...very well put sir.

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Old 10-21-2009, 09:56 AM   #6
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Thank you for the kind words.

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Old 10-21-2009, 11:46 AM   #7
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I think SUPERMAN RETURNS showed a lot of that stuff, just not very in depth. But most movies don't go real indepth. I agree, Superman was a bit detached as a character in SUPERMAN RETURNS, which needs to be corrected in future films.

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I think SUPERMAN RETURNS showed a lot of that stuff, just not very in depth. But most movies don't go real indepth. I agree, Superman was a bit detached as a character in SUPERMAN RETURNS, which needs to be corrected in future films.
I actually have to agree with this.

Superman Returns TRIED to show these things, it was just done in a very lethargic, flat manner with an actor that quite frankly didn't have the range to pull off these elements. And in my opinion, a good majority of the male model actors out there(Welling) won't have the range either. Thats why I'm willing to sacrifice a bit with the "look" to get an actor with top notch range and ability.

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Old 10-21-2009, 12:12 PM   #9
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We need something like this as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJ2Bd41zsw

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Yes, totally agreed. Maybe it was a fault on Routh's acting skills and Singer made the best he could with him. Hopefully he will have grown as an actor for the sequel. Drop the halo, put some real emotion.

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I rather they did Superman Returns as a stand alone film like no relations to the original...But with Superman as a pro in crime fighting.

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Old 10-21-2009, 05:58 PM   #13
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I wholeheartedly agree with Fresh Prince.

Really, I have to resist the urge to talk about all the sore points in Superman Returns. Something I sometimes fail to do is give Bryan Singer the credit he deserves. He's a brilliant director who has a style of storytelling that is uniquely his. And I have to thank him for at least loving Superman as much as we do.

By no means do I not hate Tom Welling but I honestly think a fresh plank of Eastern Pine could act with the same level of adeptness as Tom Welling.

And dear Lord, I really feel sorry for the director of the next movie. He or she has to find an actor who is handsome, towering and who can act. All at once.

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How can Superman be an uncle?

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Old 10-21-2009, 06:43 PM   #15
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Sorry.

Uncle, as in avuncular - a mentor.

I should have said it that way - a stern, loving mentor.

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No the uncle thing was cool actually since uncle's are the coolest family members.

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oh totally i want to see clark kent be the real person, have that humanity and struggles of human life. While being a super powered "god like" icon and all that. That is why i would like clark to be the real person, and superman is just what he can do.

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Excellent post markaudette . Singer had scenes where we would have gotten a glimpse of Superman's mindset but those scenes ended up on the cutting room floor eg. The Return to Krypton scenes, reading the papers in the barn, its not easy keeping secrets, even scrapping Superman showing rage when he saw the crystals were gone If he left those things in, it would have given us a new insight into the character, what its like to be him, the man underneath.


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oh totally i want to see clark kent be the real person, have that humanity and struggles of human life. While being a super powered "god like" icon and all that. That is why i would like clark to be the real person, and superman is just what he can do.


I totally want to see them approach the next movie with Clark Kent be the real person, Superman is more than a one dimensional character.

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totally that is something i did like in lois and clark and for smallville that clark is the real person, and the hero is just what he can do and wants to do.

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Can we get an actor who is bulky but can act to play Clark/Superman.

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well like supermike has pointed out, if we got someone like a clint walker in his prime he could easily still make a reason looking clark kent look. I do want to see someone with a good muscle mass/size on him. But like others have said we dont need to see roid size guys. Sure it would be great to see how that would look. But most of those guys are a bit to extreme.

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I wholeheartedly agree with Fresh Prince.

Really, I have to resist the urge to talk about all the sore points in Superman Returns. Something I sometimes fail to do is give Bryan Singer the credit he deserves. He's a brilliant director who has a style of storytelling that is uniquely his. And I have to thank him for at least loving Superman as much as we do.

By no means do I not hate Tom Welling but I honestly think a fresh plank of Eastern Pine could act with the same level of adeptness as Tom Welling.

And dear Lord, I really feel sorry for the director of the next movie. He or she has to find an actor who is handsome, towering and who can act. All at once.
Nice original post- I too have to resist the urge to 'talk about all the sore points in SR.'

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My preference would be for them to get an actor that has some real experience so he can carry himself well.
One that maybe has been in a few films already as a minor character, and one that has acted on TV a good bit. known, just not WELL known if that makes sense.

IMVHO I dont think they'll be looking for a reeve or routh clone the next time around,
so at this point I don't think you can rule anyone in or out as long as they are the right height and build.

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well like supermike has pointed out, if we got someone like a clint walker in his prime he could easily still make a reason looking clark kent look. I do want to see someone with a good muscle mass/size on him. But like others have said we dont need to see roid size guys. Sure it would be great to see how that would look. But most of those guys are a bit to extreme.
While I understand where this is coming from, Clint Walker is at 6'6", just too big.

His build on a 6'3" frame would be ideal tho.

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