The Clinton Thread

[Super_Ludacris]

Bubba!

Words cannot express how much it hurts my soul to see my 2 favourite brothers beefing . Chillax Barack and Bill. Lets get some thick white broads and call it an evening...

[ANTOINE X]

Originally Posted by Matt

LFAMO! I thought it was a story about him cheating on his wife again!

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by jmanspice

Maybe as annoying. Those are pretty big boots to fill...

No he's more annoying. Cellslim is just ignorant and keeps promoting that ignorance. Venom's Dad does the exact same thing but in a more annoying fashion with his stupid ass Clinton Media Machine (CMM) and then tells people who disagree with him that deep down they actually do agree with him and know that he's right.

[Super_Ludacris]

Heated Political threads in the Hype.....ah, just like the good old days. Where's Jonty and Paladin when you need em.

[rdh007]

I like to think Paladin watches over us like an angel named Sparky...

[Super_Ludacris]

Originally Posted by rdh007

I like to think Paladin watches over us like an angel named Sparky...

*Pours a little liquor for him*

[Gilpesh]

And he should get out of the spotlight because he's just the attack dog. It's clear that he is around so he can say s**t and Hillary can't be blamed for it and later deny it.

He blantantly lied about Obama's comment and isn't taking it back.

[Venom'sDad]

Look, when it’s all said and done, when people log on/off the Hype and other community sites, with their own personal views, persuasion, and level of intelligence, or whatever in ones particular livelihood, does not change the fact that REAL things are going on in this world, this nation, that may or may not be oblivious to the populous. Real people are planning and doing real things that geared toward ease the nation, in turn, ease the world towards centralized control, without having to move the nations of the world forcefully. Most people in this nation and on this planet, knows this or are waking up to this, yet pretend it’s not so, baseless, or unfounded. To each their own.

However, to say I’m making pointless or baseless allegation, and that many of you are not, is completely absurd. I know we don’t see eye to eye, have a different belief system, and different political persuasion; but many of you make similar pointless and baseless allegations on different scale of the spectrum. Many of you argue your points as fact. And because there are many of you believing most(not all) of the same persuasion, does not mean that many of you are right. Some of you are blinded by your own BS. Many of you make the baseless assertion that President Bush lied about WMD. You don’t know that and cannot produce evidence to the contrary. Many of you are just repeating whatever persuasion you choose to believe, like a mouthpiece. That was just one example, I can list dozens, as many of you probably could do me and others, you disagree with.

There are REAL things happening that are not so hidden anymore, which boggles the mind why huge percentage of people in this nation and this world, are accepting this more blatant transparency easing to centralize control. The reason why I say, the Majority, the real proponents of this system, desire the model the Europeans have already established. LOL, when there was many distracters saying there wont be a European Union, as the say now, about a North American Union. I realize many of you will try to hide your support of hillary; it the political correct thing to do. Pretend to be in the middle, as she does… hell it works apparently. Bill Clinton supported and sign NAFTA, yet, hillary claims to the public it was a mistake. However, with the policies she is proposing, she tends to completely support NAFTA & CAFTA. She make no bones about Government control and mandates of Healthcare; yet, tried to hide the fact she want to centralize banks and other financial institutions. OMG! The Bush and Clinton Power Brokers are selling this country sovereignty to Elites that wish to have central control over the world.

Technically, as we speak, this country is already owned by the International Elites and the North American Union already exist in principle. The New Constitution, is currently being written, the new Tax Code and Social Security Code are written, but is slowly being merged. That why you been hearing talk since 93 about a Flat Tax(not fair tax, that’s bogus) and savings accounts tied to Social Security, Universal Healthcare(self explanatory) covering “undocumented workers(not called illegals)”. That what the national ID card would rid(undocumented workers). By International Law with the agreement Bill Clinton sign in NAFTA and George W sign in CAFTA, America cannot kick out these so-called “undocumented workers. This is what Ross Perot, a Billionare and Businessman, tried to tell America. Apparently, Americans wanted it. Why do you think the American Government does nothing with illegal coming from Canada, Mexico, Latin & South America, but are strict and enforce the Immigration Laws with the rest of the world, whom country has no such agreement with America yet. Come on.

There is certainly more examples I can give, but many of you get the picture. So go ahead make fun, result to name calling, and whatever. You are going to get what you desire and the rest is going to get what we don’t deserve. Supporting Socialist openly or not like hillary and what few(on the Hype) that support RudyG is a vote for acceptance of centralize government.

Remember this however, the presidency is a figurehead/puppet, he does has power, but it the Legislating Branch that exercise will power. They are the ones that suspend the Constitution and pass new laws that are in line with International Law. What who you vote for while you still have a vote. There is no difference between a Liberal and a Conservative other than name, they both wish to lead the country to centralize government point blank.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

Look, when it’s all said and done, when people log on/off the Hype and other community sites, with their own personal views, persuasion, and level of intelligence, or whatever in ones particular livelihood, does not change the fact that REAL things are going on in this world, this nation, that may or may not be oblivious to the populous. Real people are planning and doing real things that geared toward ease the nation, in turn, ease the world towards centralized control, without having to move the nations of the world forcefully. Most people in this nation and on this planet, knows this or are waking up to this, yet pretend it’s not so, baseless, or unfounded. To each their own.

However, to say I’m making pointless or baseless allegation, and that many of you are not, is completely absurd. I know we don’t see eye to eye, have a different belief system, and different political persuasion; but many of you make similar pointless and baseless allegations on different scale of the spectrum. Many of you argue your points as fact. And because there are many of you believing most(not all) of the same persuasion, does not mean that many of you are right. Some of you are blinded by your own BS. Many of you make the baseless assertion that President Bush lied about WMD. You don’t know that and cannot produce evidence to the contrary. Many of you are just repeating whatever persuasion you choose to believe, like a mouthpiece. That was just one example, I can list dozens, as many of you probably could do me and others, you disagree with.

There are REAL things happening that are not so hidden anymore, which boggles the mind why huge percentage of people in this nation and this world, are accepting this more blatant transparency easing to centralize control. The reason why I say, the Majority, the real proponents of this system, desire the model the Europeans have already established. LOL, when there was many distracters saying there wont be a European Union, as the say now, about a North American Union. I realize many of you will try to hide your support of hillary; it the political correct thing to do. Pretend to be in the middle, as she does… hell it works apparently. Bill Clinton supported and sign NAFTA, yet, hillary claims to the public it was a mistake. However, with the policies she is proposing, she tends to completely support NAFTA & CAFTA. She make no bones about Government control and mandates of Healthcare; yet, tried to hide the fact she want to centralize banks and other financial institutions. OMG! The Bush and Clinton Power Brokers are selling this country sovereignty to Elites that wish to have central control over the world.

Technically, as we speak, this country is already owned by the International Elites and the North American Union already exist in principle. The New Constitution, is currently being written, the new Tax Code and Social Security Code are written, but is slowly being merged. That why you been hearing talk since 93 about a Flat Tax(not fair tax, that’s bogus) and savings accounts tied to Social Security, Universal Healthcare(self explanatory) covering “undocumented workers(not called illegals)”. That what the national ID card would rid(undocumented workers). By International Law with the agreement Bill Clinton sign in NAFTA and George W sign in CAFTA, America cannot kick out these so-called “undocumented workers. This is what Ross Perot, a Billionare and Businessman, tried to tell America. Apparently, Americans wanted it. Why do you think the American Government does nothing with illegal coming from Canada, Mexico, Latin & South America, but are strict and enforce the Immigration Laws with the rest of the world, whom country has no such agreement with America yet. Come on.

There is certainly more examples I can give, but many of you get the picture. So go ahead make fun, result to name calling, and whatever. You are going to get what you desire and the rest is going to get what we don’t deserve. Supporting Socialist openly or not like hillary and what few(on the Hype) that support RudyG is a vote for acceptance of centralize government.

Remember this however, the presidency is a figurehead/puppet, he does has power, but it the Legislating Branch that exercise will power. They are the ones that suspend the Constitution and pass new laws that are in line with International Law. What who you vote for while you still have a vote. There is no difference between a Liberal and a Conservative other than name, they both wish to lead the country to centralize government point blank.

No one has a problem with you saying your opinion. The problem is you saying what the opinion of OTHER PEOPLE is. Someone will say something like "I support Edwards." and you will respond with "I know you are really a Clinton supporter. Your charade doesn't fool me." You can't tell people THEIR opinion is. That is why people think you are an ass. Not because you have a different opinion, but because you are an ass hole about other people's.

And for the record...Bush did lie. He made a claim (There are WMDs in Iraq). This was proven false (as it is has been 5 years and we have found no WMDs). Therefore, whether intentional or not, he lied.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

And he should get out of the spotlight because he's just the attack dog. It's clear that he is around so he can say s**t and Hillary can't be blamed for it and later deny it.

He blantantly lied about Obama's comment and isn't taking it back.

That is fundamentally the problem that is getting me steamed. Basically the added negative comments can be made by Bill and get more coverage than if she said it even, and she doesn't get the baggage that goes along with it. He takes care of the dirty work as she attempts to stay a little more clean...

[Venom'sDad]

Matt, you misunderstood the thesis of my post. I don't care what any of you think about me, because that does not change what is real and actually happeningin this nation, and the world. Make fun all you want, I don't care. Your lack of understanding in what you read should be more of a concern, than disagreeing with me.

Now, you and others make the same assertions as you say I make; so WTH are you talking about. That's part of arguing a point, by making the assertions that your action speaks louder than your words. You know, the same tactics that Bill is using right now, saying Obama inserted the race issue, when, like that report that somebody posted states, is really coming from hillary and bill. So come off this high-horse you pretend you on. The same can be said about nearly all of us who come here.

BTW, if it was proven that Bush lied, charges and some attempt to impeach, would have happen by now.... come off it. Bush is no different from Clinton..... both of them.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

Matt, you misunderstood the thesis of my post. I don't care what any of you think about me, because that does not change what is real and actually happeningin this nation, and the world.

A lot of people don't agree with you because of your preposterous assertions that Americans want a European socialist state when they don't and the nonexistent Clinton Media Machine.

Make fun all you want, I don't care. Your lack of understanding in what you read should be more of a concern, than disagreeing with me.

This is why a lot of people find you to be arrogant here.

Now, you and others make the same assertions as you say I make; so WTH are you talking about. That's part of arguing a point, by making the assertions that your action speaks louder than your words. You know, the same tactics that Bill is using right now, saying Obama inserted the race issue, when, like that report that somebody posted states, is really coming from hillary and bill. So come off this high-horse you pretend you on. The same can be said about nearly all of us who come here.

No it really isn't comming from Hillary and Bill. Hillary made a comment on how Lyndon Johnson was needed in order for the Civil Rights Act to become a reality, which is true by the way. Obama made the ridiculous claim that Clinton was underestimating the efforts of Martin Luther King Jr., which she wasn't. Then the media completely blew it out of proportion. Then Clinton and Obama made even more stupid comments that made this issue even worse. Then you see Bill Clinton getting pissed off because they're making Hillary look like the bad guy when she really isn't, making him look like a bad guy, making him even more pissed off.

It's really the media's fault more than Obama's and Clinton's in this damn issue.

BTW, if it was proven that Bush lied, charges and some attempt to impeach, would have happen by now.... come off it. Bush is no different from Clinton..... both of them.

It's not that simple.

First of all, the Democrats just don't have the numbers in Congress to get rid of Bush. It would be a vain attempt.

Second, if the Democrats started serious attempts (not the attempts by Kucinich) to impeach Bush and Cheney it would make them look pathetic by trying to get rid of a President who has less than a year in office and installing an unelected, extremely liberal, Democratic President before the Presidential election (Nancy Pelosi would be President if Bush and Cheney were removed). It would severely hurt their chances of getting the White House and keeping or expanding their majority in Congress in 2008.

Also Pelosi wanted impeachment proceedings after the the Democrats took power before the 2006 elections, but they made her take it off the table so that way their chances of winning would improve.

[hippie_hunter]

I gotta sympathise with Bill on this one. I can completely understand why he's getting pissed off at the media for blowing up the race and gender issues that started off by Hillary making a rather logical comment and Obama simply misquoting her to make her look a little bad and it ended up being a horrible mudslinging fight because of this media blow up.

[Gilpesh]

Hey Double HH. I'm talking about Bill saying that Obama was a Reagan supporter because Obama simply said that Reagan got people to come together and work on a problem. Obama never said what he did was right, just that he did it.

Bill has completely lied about what Obama said and is now playing the high road card with that pissed off at the media talking about him.

[Venom'sDad]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

And he should get out of the spotlight because he's just the attack dog. It's clear that he is around so he can say s**t and Hillary can't be blamed for it and later deny it.

He blantantly lied about Obama's comment and isn't taking it back.

Of course, that’s what he’s doing. She cannot run a campaign on her own merrits. She needs help from him, because all she has is the Clinton name. Every time she opens her mouth, her unfavorable rise. She has no experience, although the Clinton Media Machine(CMM) would have you believe otherwise. “I am the most qualified candidate for President.” What! This is how weak the Demo’s are, because wussies like Dodd, Richardson, Biden, whom have more experience, are to afraid to challenge her on that assertion.

Obama is busy campaigning against Bill, when he should ignore him and stay focus on issues and hillary’s iniquities…. which was a winning formula for him. Not only is Bill a distraction for Obama; but also, a strong message to the Repub’s Nominee. The Clintons and their seragants will put untrue and disinformation out there; and Obama and the eventual Repub Nominee, at some point, has to realize they are campaigning against cut-throat professionals. This is what they do and is the name of the game for them. This is their formula.Obama should take the offensive, because the Clinton legacy is full of scandal and lies and they should be challenge on that. Hell, hillary is intent on spliting the Party for the sake of her ambitions. How can anyone trust a person like that to run a country many say they love.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

Hey Double HH. I'm talking about Bill saying that Obama was a Reagan supporter because Obama simply said that Reagan got people to come together and work on a problem. Obama never said what he did was right, just that he did it.

Bill has completely lied about what Obama said and is now playing the high road card with that pissed off at the media talking about him.

Yeah, he did say that but both the Obama and Clinton camps are waist deep in the mudslinging right now that I feel that it really doesn't matter.

It wouldn't have happened if Obama was acting like he was running for the Democratic primaries not the general election and if the media didn't play that soundbite again and again and again. The fact is that Obama was kinda stupid in giving kudos to the Republicans in a primary election. Reagan is the anti-Christ for the Democrats and giving him any type of praise in an election where only DEMOCRATS pretty much vote in is just dumb. Such a comment should have been saved after he secured the nomination to woo independent and Republican voters.

I really do think that the media here is to blame on why the Democratic nomination has resulted into this petty fighting by blowing up both Clinton's and Obama's statements.

The differences we're seeing here is that Hillary and Obama continue to do so while you see Bill getting pissed off at the source. It's things like this which are going to make the Democrats look bad in the general election.

[Gilpesh]

Mudslinging is twisting facts and omitting.

Bill FLAT OUT LIED. That's a big difference that makes it matter.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad

Of course, that’s what he’s doing. She cannot run a campaign on her own merrits. She needs help from him, because all she has is the Clinton name. Every time she opens her mouth, her unfavorable rise. She has no experience, although the Clinton Media Machine(CMM) would have you believe otherwise. “I am the most qualified candidate for President.” What! This is how weak the Demo’s are, because wussies like Dodd, Richardson, Biden, whom have more experience, are to afraid to challenge her on that assertion.

The media has come off as rather neutral and/or pro-Obama in the Clinton/Obama feud. They just seem to enjoy what is going on because it's providing juicy stories.

The only times we see so many times that Clinton has the experience comes from herself and her campaign staff, not the actual news stations themselves. Plus compared to her only serious challenger, she is the candidate of experience.

She'll probably drop this part of her campaign if she runs against McCain who has far more experience than her.

Obama is busy campaigning against Bill, when he should ignore him and stay focus on issues and hillary’s iniquities…. which was a winning formula for him. Not only is Bill a distraction for Obama; but also, a strong message to the Repub’s Nominee. The Clintons and their seragants will put untrue and disinformation out there; and Obama and the eventual Repub Nominee, at some point, has to realize they are campaigning against cut-throat professionals. This is what they do and is the name of the game for them. This is their formula.Obama should take the offensive, because the Clinton legacy is full of scandal and lies and they should be challenge on that. Hell, hillary is intent on spliting the Party for the sake of her ambitions. How can anyone trust a person like that to run a country many say they love.

Hey! We finally somewhat agree on something. I do agree that the Democratic Party will end up being split if Clinton gets nominated because Obama supporters are most likely not going to want to support Clinton after all this dirty mudslinging. Plus they'll lose the vast majority of independent and Republican voters if Clinton gets nominated. They'll flock to McCain if he gets nominated.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

Mudslinging is twisting facts and omitting.

Bill FLAT OUT LIED. That's a big difference that makes it matter.

They're both guilty of mudslinging. Bill's done it. Hillary's done it. Obama's done it. They're all equally guilty. They've become puppets in the media's hands

However Obama comes off worse in my eyes because he tried to make his campaign as if he were above such things when he isn't at all.

[Gilpesh]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

They're both guilty but Obama comes off worse in my eyes because he tried to make his campaign as if he were above such things when he isn't at all.

He isn't above that.... but the CLINTONS LIED. For real this time. Not about some blowjob.

They lied about what Obama said to smear him. And now Bill is trying to do exactly what Obama is doing by playing it off like he was above something like that.

So you hate a politician for trying to look better than he is.... but forgive one that is lying, what politicians need to stop doing.

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

He isn't above that.... but the CLINTONS LIED. For real this time. Not about some blowjob.

They lied about what Obama said to smear him. And now Bill is trying to do exactly what Obama is doing by playing it off like he was above something like that.

So you hate a politician for trying to look better than he is.... but forgive one that is lying, what politicians need to stop doing.

I don't like either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but Obama and the media has made this far worse. And now we're seeing both sides in a horrible mudslinging war.

Obama is smearing them too. None of this wouldn't have happened if Obama kept his stupid mouth shut saying that Clinton was underplaying Dr. King's role in the Civil Rights Movement.

And you know what I'll add this in too:

F**k Obama. I never thought I'd hate a candidate more than freaking Hillary Clinton until he pretty much started this bullcrap and the media overblown it.

[Gilpesh]

I'm not trying to push Obama. But the Clintions really are lying. It's misguided to say it is Obama's fault because he should have not gone dirty but who knew that the Clintons would lie so blantantly.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told South Carolina's The State newspaper that former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, are lying about him and his record purposefully.

“There is a concrete strategy by the Clintons,” Obama said.

Any objective review of how Bill and Hillary Clinton have been twisting comments Obama made about Ronald Reagan and the Republican party would concur.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...v-clinton.html

[hippie_hunter]

Originally Posted by Gilpesh

I'm not trying to push Obama. But the Clintions really are lying. It's misguided to say it is Obama's fault because he should have not gone dirty but who knew that the Clintons would lie so blantantly.



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...v-clinton.html

I'm not saying that the Clinton's aren't because they are. They twisted Obama's comments just like Obama twisted theirs. They're guilty and horribly so.

But Obama is more guilty because he pretty much started it with his damn comments on how Clinton was underplaying Dr. King's role when she didn't. I'm willing to bet that if he didn't do that, we wouldn't be seeing the animosity as bad as we are seeing it right now.

And the reason why I sympathise with Bill (not Hillary) is because he's been portrayed as the bad guy in this. His words have been twisted too (the "fairy tale"). And he knows why it's like that (the media). What makes it even worse is that Hillary is using him to do her dirty work.

Plus I agree with Clinton's fairy tale comments. Though I take it a step further, all of Obama's campaign is nothing but a dumb fairy tale. He's not some great uniter. He's not an outsider. He won't bring change.

[Gilpesh]

Did you not read where it was a complete lie? Where people who aren't even for Obama say it was a lie?

Just cause "he started it" as a five year old would say, does that suddenly mean the Clintons can say anything?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by hippie_hunter

I don't like either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but Obama and the media has made this far worse. And now we're seeing both sides in a horrible mudslinging war.

Obama is smearing them too. None of this wouldn't have happened if Obama kept his stupid mouth shut saying that Clinton was underplaying Dr. King's role in the Civil Rights Movement.

And you know what I'll add this in too:

F**k Obama. I never thought I'd hate a candidate more than freaking Hillary Clinton until he pretty much started this bullcrap and the media overblown it.

Amen to that. Obama claims that he is better than the smear campaigns and mudslinging, but here he is. And for someone who is "Not playing the race card" his Dr. King comment certainly seemed like an attempt to pander to me. Especially since he knew that was not Clinton's intention at all.