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Linear Story with flashbacks interweaved in first part (Batman Begins) 15 38.46%
Brief flashbacks in beginning, then get to main story (Star Trek) 12 30.77%
Smallville kid stuff and then flash forward to established hero (Daredevil 1 2.56%
Complete Linear Story (Spiderman, Iron Man) 11 28.21%
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:28 AM   #26
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Here's the draft of the script i've read:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movi...n-JJAbrams.pdf

Mtv (reliable or not) said abrams might still be interested in directing:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/10/26...ld-be-a-blast/

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The review of it I read was awful but JJ did say that he;d done a few drafts after that didnt he? I liked his basic idea and if the problems had been fixed then it is a shame that it never got made.
That was the first draft that good bad reviews here is a review of the second draft.

http://www.latinoreview.com/script-r...man-returns-11

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The entire 140 page pdf is online. I've read the entire first draft and it's not bad. Never found the other drafts, please point me in the right direction, i'd love to read them.

I posted this on dc comics site:

I've read it and it's not great but his characters are at least there. They have presence and personality, they are well thought out and have solid dialogue. yes a lot of the actual plot is lame but at least he nailed the characters, all he needs is a team to help him flesh out a better plot.

Plots in film are recycled all the time. Look at any romantic comedy, action flick, horror movie, ect. Same basic plot, different characters with tweaks to the details. That's why you can have sequels, same characters with a different plot (a new set of circumstances). Abrams wrote good characters, it would'be been easy to change the plot.
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Here's the draft of the script i've read:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movi...n-JJAbrams.pdf

Mtv (reliable or not) said abrams might still be interested in directing:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/10/26...ld-be-a-blast/
Thats the first draft the others are much better and introduce Lexcorp in a great way. However to me it read more like it was looking to be Iron Man. If he did do a Superman movie I want it to read like a cross between Superman Returns mix with The Dark Knight . Where it is more story driven but has great action that complements the movie as well.

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The entire 140 page pdf is online. I've read the entire first draft and it's not bad. Never found the other drafts, please point me in the right direction, i'd love to read them.

I posted this on dc comics site:

I've read it and it's not great but his characters are at least there. They have presence and personality, they are well thought out and have solid dialogue. yes a lot of the actual plot is lame but at least he nailed the characters, all he needs is a team to help him flesh out a better plot.

Plots in film are recycled all the time. Look at any romantic comedy, action flick, horror movie, ect. Same basic plot, different characters with tweaks to the details. That's why you can have sequels, same characters with a different plot (a new set of circumstances). Abrams wrote good characters, it would'be been easy to change the plot.
Maybe he did he said he ws a few drafts ahead of what was reviewed.

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Thats the first draft the others are much better and introduce Lexcorp in a great way. However to me it read more like it was looking to be Iron Man. If he did do a Superman movie I want it to read like a cross between Superman Returns mix with The Dark Knight . Where it is more story driven but has great action that complements the movie as well.
How many drafts have been read? caue JJ said he was a few drafts ahead of what had surfaced.

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Maybe he did he said he ws a few drafts ahead of what was reviewed.



How many drafts have been read? caue JJ said he was a few drafts ahead of what had surfaced.
I have only seen three drafts and that took months and months of looking for them. However there is probably more then them out there.

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What I would like to see is more in line with batman begins. With flash backs to smallville using the first issue of secret origin as the flash back scenes. I'm still torn as to who the villains should be in the first movie, because there are a lot of options you could go. By using luthor you can focus on the reporter aspect and how he has control of metropolis and it would give something for lois and clark to do. On the other hand, you coud save him for a sequel and keep him in the background. Possibly use brainiac in the first and have luthor steal his body at the end therefore using that technology to create metallo. There are a ton of options that doing this reboot give you. If there's one thing I think they need to avoid is opening up on krypton with Jor-el, I would rather we learn about krypton with clark as opposed to seeing it first and then having clark see it.

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I have my own ideas on the origin and I would skip Krypton and address it throughout the movie. I have listed my ideas in the writers reboot thread.

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Double post - dont know why it keeps doing that to me

This site is really slow for me aswell, anyone else having problems?

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Yeah it's going really slow for me as well. Also whenever i try posting from home i get a warning saying my message is too short and that it has to be at least 3 characters long, regardless of what i type.

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Yeah it's going really slow for me as well. Also whenever i try posting from home i get a warning saying my message is too short and that it has to be at least 3 characters long, regardless of what i type.

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I would go with the Batman Begins route. Have flashbacks while in the present day Clark is beginning to fight crime as Superman.

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with all the different suit designs popping up what if they embrace some of them as prototypes before we get the classic suit? bits and pieces of his classic suit could be part of the prototypes before clark merges them all together. they could have a prototype were he wears a mask to show what it would be like if he ever went down that road.
but is this idea too much of a rip-off of iron man?

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something else i'd like to see with an origin reboot is before Krypton explodes show it like they did in the STAS but it happening all over the planet. this way we get to see different parts of Krypton instead of just seeing the planet as a whole explode.

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I know I'm repeating myself but this thread isn't the first time this question was posed so I'll post my answer again here.

I want the movie to begin on Krypton. Not Donner's Krypton but the one from Byrne and Wolfman's 'Man Of Steel' - BUT - I want to add another element to that scenario. I want Jor-el young and truly a rebel in the science community. I'd like it obvious that the Council doesn't take his prediction of the imminent destruction of the planet seriously because of his youth. They think he's just overly exctiable and going off 'half-cocked'.

Following Jor-el's rejection by the Council, I want him to sneak into the birthing chambers and liberate the pod containing his unborn son, Kal-el. Racing ahead of the authorities, he makes it back to his personal lab and the rest proceeds just as it does in MOS ... with the exception of Jor-el knowing in advance where the ship will land. That's changed to Elliot Maggin's 'the ship is programmed to seek out similar life forms technologically advanced at least to the point where it can provide support to the infant. He never knew that his son was going to end up on a world that would endow him with super powers.

.... and just for the sake of a way to do exposition in the Krypton scenes, I've given Jor-el a companion robot that floats along beside him.

The linear intro would end once Kal-el is discovered by Jonathan and Martha. In fact, I want it to end when they pull him from the ship. We would fast forward from there to Clark as an adult at the Daily Planet. During the rest of the film we would have flashbacks to his Smallville days, his world travels (the only part of Waid's 'Birthright' I've ever embraced was Clark's time in Africa - I'd like to see something like that here but abbreviated), and the day Jonathan showed him the Pod he came to Earth in. In that scene I'd like to see the hologram of Brainiac appear above the pod. Brainiac then speaks something along these words:

"Kal-el, I am Brainiac. I am all that remains of your home world Krypton. All that Krypton was, I am programmed to teach you. This is the last gift given to you by your true father - he was called Jor-el"

We immediately cut back to the action at hand.

Each of Clark's flashbacks should only be a minute or two long and sprinkled throughout the film. The scenes on Krypton being the exception as it's really not a flashback for Clark but a backdrop that the rest of the film is built on. I think it could be completed in about 5 to 7 minutes.

Establishing Brainiac in the origin the way I have here is different from what I've done in the past - I really liked the animated series introduction of Brainiac but I was intrigued by how the earlier poster used him.


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I know I'm repeating myself but this thread isn't the first time this question was posed so I'll post my answer again here.

I want the movie to begin on Krypton. Not Donner's Krypton but the one from Byrne and Wolfman's 'Man Of Steel' - BUT - I want to add another element to that scenario. I want Jor-el young and truly a rebel in the science community. I'd like it obvious that the Council doesn't take his prediction of the imminent destruction of the planet seriously because of his youth. They think he's just overly exctiable and going off 'half-cocked'.

Following Jor-el's rejection by the Council, I want him to sneak into the birthing chambers and liberate the pod containing his unborn son, Kal-el. Racing ahead of the authorities, he makes it back to his personal lab and the rest proceeds just as it does in MOS ... with the exception of Jor-el knowing in advance where the ship will land. That's changed to Elliot Maggin's 'the ship is programmed to seek out similar life forms technologically advanced at least to the point where it can provide support to the infant. He never knew that his son was going to end up on a world that would endow him with super powers.

.... and just for the sake of a way to do exposition in the Krypton scenes, I've given Jor-el a companion robot that floats along beside him.

The linear intro would end once Kal-el is discovered by Jonathan and Martha. In fact, I want it to end when they pull him from the ship. We would fast forward from there to Clark as an adult at the Daily Planet. During the rest of the film we would have flashbacks to his Smallville days, his world travels (the only part of Waid's 'Birthright' I've ever embraced was Clark's time in Africa - I'd like to see something like that here but abbreviated), and the day Jonathan showed him the Pod he came to Earth in. In that scene I'd like to see the hologram of Brainiac appear above the pod. Brainiac then speaks something along these words:

"Kal-el, I am Brainiac. I am all that remains of your home world Krypton. All that Krypton was, I am programmed to teach you. This is the last gift given to you by your true father - he was called Jor-el"

We immediately cut back to the action at hand.

Each of Clark's flashbacks should only be a minute or two long and sprinkled throughout the film. The scenes on Krypton being the exception as it's really not a flashback for Clark but a backdrop that the rest of the film is built on. I think it could be completed in about 5 to 7 minutes.

Establishing Brainiac in the origin the way I have here is different from what I've done in the past - I really liked the animated series introduction of Brainiac but I was intrigued by how the earlier poster used him.
In my opinion STAS version of Brainiac was improved on the comics version. Having Brainiac start in Krypton makes great story sense and gives his rivalry with a Superman a more personal touch.

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with all the different suit designs popping up what if they embrace some of them as prototypes before we get the classic suit? bits and pieces of his classic suit could be part of the prototypes before clark merges them all together. they could have a prototype were he wears a mask to show what it would be like if he ever went down that road.
but is this idea too much of a rip-off of iron man?
We get that already in Smallville.

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yeah plus Superman trying different suits would take up too much time I think. On a TV show you can develop it as you have 20+ episodes a season to try thee things.

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with all the different suit designs popping up what if they embrace some of them as prototypes before we get the classic suit? bits and pieces of his classic suit could be part of the prototypes before clark merges them all together. they could have a prototype were he wears a mask to show what it would be like if he ever went down that road.
but is this idea too much of a rip-off of iron man?
Superman could start out with a completely different costume, even one with a mask, but he'd have to move on to the classic costume quickly. Think of Batman in BB.

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JJ Abrams' sky diving sequence in Star Trek was more intense than all of Superman Returns and it was shot with the actors standing on spinning mirrors.

Abrams and Zachary Quinto are my prescription for Superman, but featuring real villains from the comics rather than Kryptonians.

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I know I'm repeating myself but this thread isn't the first time this question was posed so I'll post my answer again here.

I want the movie to begin on Krypton. Not Donner's Krypton but the one from Byrne and Wolfman's 'Man Of Steel' - BUT - I want to add another element to that scenario. I want Jor-el young and truly a rebel in the science community. I'd like it obvious that the Council doesn't take his prediction of the imminent destruction of the planet seriously because of his youth. They think he's just overly exctiable and going off 'half-cocked'.

Following Jor-el's rejection by the Council, I want him to sneak into the birthing chambers and liberate the pod containing his unborn son, Kal-el. Racing ahead of the authorities, he makes it back to his personal lab and the rest proceeds just as it does in MOS ... with the exception of Jor-el knowing in advance where the ship will land. That's changed to Elliot Maggin's 'the ship is programmed to seek out similar life forms technologically advanced at least to the point where it can provide support to the infant. He never knew that his son was going to end up on a world that would endow him with super powers.

.... and just for the sake of a way to do exposition in the Krypton scenes, I've given Jor-el a companion robot that floats along beside him.

The linear intro would end once Kal-el is discovered by Jonathan and Martha. In fact, I want it to end when they pull him from the ship. We would fast forward from there to Clark as an adult at the Daily Planet. During the rest of the film we would have flashbacks to his Smallville days, his world travels (the only part of Waid's 'Birthright' I've ever embraced was Clark's time in Africa - I'd like to see something like that here but abbreviated), and the day Jonathan showed him the Pod he came to Earth in. In that scene I'd like to see the hologram of Brainiac appear above the pod. Brainiac then speaks something along these words:

"Kal-el, I am Brainiac. I am all that remains of your home world Krypton. All that Krypton was, I am programmed to teach you. This is the last gift given to you by your true father - he was called Jor-el"

We immediately cut back to the action at hand.

Each of Clark's flashbacks should only be a minute or two long and sprinkled throughout the film. The scenes on Krypton being the exception as it's really not a flashback for Clark but a backdrop that the rest of the film is built on. I think it could be completed in about 5 to 7 minutes.

Establishing Brainiac in the origin the way I have here is different from what I've done in the past - I really liked the animated series introduction of Brainiac but I was intrigued by how the earlier poster used him.

Nice ideas. You make the krypton scenes sound worthwhile and really exciting. In a case like this i would like to see it play out, something not scene yet in live action. If they were going to do the same routine with old jor-el and the council then no, been there done that. But your ideas bring a lot of life into the scene.

Just gotta say i've watched these boards for a while before joining and you were one of the people i thought had some of the best ideas for superman. Don't know if you've taken a look at the Writer's Workshop section recently but i have put some of my ideas on how to characterize the main characters and i've written a few scenes. I'd love to get your feeback. Thanks.

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yea if brainiac is ever used in films i do like the krypton backstory for him.

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I liked Kevin Smith's Superman

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A la Batman Begins. It would differentiate the new franchise from the Donnerverse.

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what about seeing the Green Lanterns and the Manhunters involvement in Superman's origin? could put a new spin on things.

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with all the problems wb has with just getting any one character done well and out everyone should be on their own.

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