The pros and cons of a the reboot

[bryanss3]

There are clearly a lot of good things and bad things about this and I'm talking strictly from a general audiences perspective not exactly from ours. First off I have very mixed feelings about this reboot and I'm leaning more towards bad idea. The Spider-Man film franchise is barely old.The last movie Spider-Man 3 came out in 2007. The reboot is a little too soon. This movie frnachise is still fresh in people's heads. That's another problem. It's going to be a little hard for a general audience to go see Peter Parker's origin again.. or to see the Green Goblin again... Doc Ock.. Sandman's origin(visually one of the best things in SM3)...ect I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it's going to be too soon. And to a lot of people Venom is to Spider-Man as the Joker is to Batman and they just tried Venom in the last movie. A few of Spider-Man's big villains have already been I'd hope they can be redone better, but if the film franchise does them over and it's not better it'll be kinda sad to be able to look back at the first Spidey movie made less than a decade ago and see a better film. I hope this is truly helping not hurting. To end on a more positive note I hope they cast late teen/early 20's in the lead roles. What are you thoughts and concerns about the reboot?

[webhead731]

Spider-Man 3, now being the ending of the series ended it with all sorts of bangs. It was big and action packed.

That's about the only good thing I can think of this reboot. It was the last one and it was big.

Rebooting it just gets rid of the great cast, character developments, etc. You don't reboot a successful franchise. They're broken.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

I think they should've stuck with some sort of continuity & recast the characters, but maybe that's just me.

Still weird it's starting all over again.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Cons : too early
Pisses off more of the fans

Pros : shutsup the other pissed off fanboys

[Judson Caspian]

Originally Posted by bryanss3

The reboot is a little too soon.

Not a day too soon after that third hack job. And hell, I didn't even like Spider-Man 2. The acting was just as horrible in that film. To hell with that entire trilogy. Amy Pascal didn't say the reboot was going to be an origin story. She said they're going back to Peter's roots. That doesn't necessarily mean origin. She could've referred to character traits or whatever. A more mature Peter Parker, if you will.

[Crook]

Originally Posted by webhead731

Spider-Man 3, now being the ending of the series ended it with all sorts of bangs. It was big and action packed.

That's about the only good thing I can think of this reboot. It was the last one and it was big.

Rebooting it just gets rid of the great cast, character developments, etc. You don't reboot a successful franchise. They're broken.

Yes, let's completely ignore the slight notion that another team can do just as good of a job, or even *Gasp*...better! No, let's not swallow our pride and continue on being prissy. That's the high road to take.

God, it baffles me how some of you don't see how ridiculous you sound.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Crook

Yes, let's completely ignore the slight notion that another team can do just as good of a job, or even *Gasp*...better! No, let's not swallow our pride and continue on being prissy. That's the high road to take.

God, it baffles me how some of you don't see how ridiculous you sound.

Us Raimi supporters aren't saying this new franchise will be bad, we're just saying that it was a very stupid idea (which it IS, IMO) to reboot a franchise that is sitll strong and was going to have a fourth one with the same cast and crew. It shouldn't have been canned just because we were getting a Villian that's not as popular as other Villians.

Stop bashing on us, guys.

[webhead731]

Yeah stop trying to attack people that don't agree with you. I never said it wouldn't be good. It's just stupid to do this so soon. They could ATLEAST do Spidey 4, then this. Seriously. That's all I want.

[Crook]

Originally Posted by Spider-ManHero12

Us Raimi supporters aren't saying this new franchise will be bad, we're just saying that it was a very stupid idea (which it IS, IMO) to reboot a franchise that is sitll strong and was going to have a fourth one with the same cast and crew. It shouldn't have been canned just because we were getting a Villian that's not as popular as other Villians.

Stop bashing on us, guys.

That particular opinion is fine. In some ways I agree. But then there are the extremists who are so pissed with this news that they cannot, or should I say, will not accept a new take. That's the type of blind opposition I will gladly call out.

[webhead731]

No one's doing that in here.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by webhead731

No one's doing that in here.

Well put and simply said.

[Pythagoras]

I'm more excited for a reboot, as the original movies did not get me into the movie franchise.

[Crook]

Originally Posted by webhead731

Yeah stop trying to attack people that don't agree with you. I never said it wouldn't be good. It's just stupid to do this so soon. They could ATLEAST do Spidey 4, then this. Seriously. That's all I want.

I advise you read my and your own words more carefully. By your own statements the only good thing coming from this reboot is that the previous series capped off with a momentous conclusion:

Spider-Man 3, now being the ending of the series ended it with all sorts of bangs. It was big and action packed.

That's about the only good thing I can think of this reboot. It was the last one and it was big.

It doesn't take a genius to see the implications of that statement.

Furthermore, I've only put forth the idea that a reboot can (not will) improve on what Raimi has done. And it's beyond stupid to be so dismissive of a new creative prospect from the get-go. Especially when so little is known.

Explain to me how I'M wrong.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Con : Dacman can start spamming again. Awesome.

[Compi716]

A reboot implies another origin story. That's bad. What should be done is another film that's simply another adventure of the amazing Spider-Man, much like the James Bond series.

[SuperFerret]

Pros.
- Certain casting choices can be improved upon. (Dunst, Maguire to a lesser extent)
- Possibility of being closer to the source material.

Cons.
- Certain casting choices cannot be improved upon, and may be lost to us. (Simmons, Harris, Franco, Dafoe.)
- Definite possibility of a change in direction regarding tone of the movies, which would be unfortunate (particularly since Spider-Man 3 finally hit upon the comic book feel that the series needs).
- No more Bruce Campbell cameos.
- Ten years after the first movie is far too soon.
- If this is successful, the reinforcement of the reboot delusion will likely force me to beat people to death with a fish.

[Golgo-13]

Originally Posted by Compi716

A reboot implies another origin story. That's bad. What should be done is another film that's simply another adventure of the amazing Spider-Man, much like the James Bond series.

I think they may just show the origin as a flashback, or maybe not at all since everyone pretty much knows it from the other movies.

This re-boot is actually great news.

I'm wondering if since The Spectacular SM cartoon is so well liked, it maybe be more like that?

Pros:
No more Dunst
Bring on the Web-Shooters
Better Green Goblin
More interaction with Parker dealing with bullies at school

Cons:
They may actually screw it up and make it worst than SM3
marvel hasn't had a successful re-boot yet; Punisher and Hulk anyone...?

[bryanss3]

Originally Posted by SuperFerret

Pros.
- Certain casting choices can be improved upon. (Dunst, Maguire to a lesser extent)
- Possibility of being closer to the source material.

Cons.
- Certain casting choices cannot be improved upon, and may be lost to us. (Simmons, Harris, Franco.)
- Definite possibility of a change in direction regarding tone of the movies, which would be unfortunate (particularly since Spider-Man 3 finally hit upon the comic book feel that the series needs).
- No more Bruce Campbell cameos.
- Ten years after the first movie is far too soon.

[SpideyRacoon44]

Con: No more J.K Simmons

[Watson]

I think I would like to see better characterization this time round. Someone in another thread mentioned that Raimi was always trying to make us sympathetic to the villains. I would like a truly bad ass villain. I also think Parker could be done better. He was always supposed to be really cool and funny when he was under the mask. I always thought the films lacked that.

Also this is definitely a chance to see the Lizard and Venom finally done justice on the screen. I would also like to see better interpretations of the female characters. Maybe the time MJ can have a damn head on her shoulders.

[Compi716]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

I'm wondering if since The Spectacular SM cartoon is so well liked, it maybe be more like that?

See, that's what I was thinking also. Sony has a great opportunity here. SSM is so intricately plotted, with the stories perfectly inter-woven. It would be great to see them do the same with the film franchise.

[Mr. Todd]

Originally Posted by Compi716

A reboot implies another origin story. That's bad. What should be done is another film that's simply another adventure of the amazing Spider-Man, much like the James Bond series.

I agree. The reboot should, at most, just have a little bit of origin story over the opening credits then swing (GET IT?!!?) right into the action.

And, for what it's worth, I am a supporter of this reboot idea. Yes, it's very soon, but the cast is aging quickly (and seems apathetic anyway, but that's a whole 'nother story), and what more could be exploited in Raimi's franchise after a SM4? The Clone Saga? Norman Osbourne coming back from the dead? There are more pros than cons imo.

Plus I still think SM3 murdered a lot of great storylines that could've been seperated out and developed much better over SM4 or beyond. They definitely blew several loads in SM3.

[webhead731]

Originally Posted by SpideyRacoon44

Con: No more J.K Simmons

God this makes me so sick! He is so perfect!

[bryanss3]

He could always come back.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by bryanss3

He could always come back.

I wish he would, but he probably wouldn't want to work with a new cast. It's sad that he'll have to be replaced. Very sad!