This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume?

Wally West · 01-19-2010, 02:41 PM

In 2002 when Sony released the first film, using the cgi required to make Norman transform physically would have been a been somewhat of a financial gamble considering the films had yet to prove themselves. As a result we ended up with Osborn in a power rangers suit.

A new directer could obviously come up with a better costume (hopefully), but since the film will more than likely be given a big budget I don't think a CGI Goblin would be possible.

Personally I think having Osborn make a physical transformation is easier from a story standpoint, as you don't have to explain the costume (although he is mad at that point so that helps I guess).

I'm not suggesting that the Goblin resemble the Hulk as he has at times in Ultimate Spiderman. I was thinking something closer to the way he looked on the cover of Ultimate Spiderman 25.

If he's in the costume, I certainly hope it resembles the classic look this time, without looking ridiculous.

So what do you guys think?

Oscorp · 01-19-2010, 03:00 PM

Costume. I really don't want him to transform into that.

El Payaso · 01-19-2010, 03:05 PM

I'd love that idea of Norman physically changing instead of using a mask.

sdc10 · 01-19-2010, 03:16 PM

Definitely costume. I want to see Osborne get built up and then in a sequel just freaking snap and go psycho and put on the mask, not taking some formula that transforms him.

TheSlag · 01-19-2010, 03:29 PM

Costume. AND A BETTER FRICKIN COSTUME too!!!!

Physical transformation should be saved for the Lizard.

And a psychotic Norman Osborn, split personality, is MUCH more chilling. And it allows the mind games between Norman and Peter once Norman discovers Peter's secret and begins to toy with him.

kedrell · 01-19-2010, 03:38 PM

Put me down for costume(and get it right this time

)

GG is not the Hulk.

As for the mask, then need only look to the Mission Impossible series for inspiration on how to make make-up come off as a removable mask.

Reikowolf · 01-19-2010, 03:39 PM

This is going to be a huge issue of contention; but I sincerely doubt anyone will need to worry until the third part of the franchise. It makes little sense to introduce the Goblin as the reboot villain as the reboot is about getting away from the Raimi version as much as possible.

IMO, I like this design:

http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/long...een-goblin.jpg

Provides the classic look while updating a few things, key amongst them, no tights. The goblin suit is a chain-link Kevlar. To take away from the 'corny' aspects of the whole 'goblin' theme, they may want to design the mask and hood to cover most of his face, that way, the mouth and eyes make for a terrifying sight when actually seen. The idea being that you're not exactly sure how his face and goblin mask look like.

It seems likely that we will see USM Goblin though, as many younger readers may be more familiar with this incarnation.

El Payaso · 01-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kedrell

Put me down for costume(and get it right this time

)

GG is not the Hulk.

Nor is the Lizard, who is also green but it's not the Hulk for that reason. And Spiderman is not Captain America but they both wear a red-blue costume with a mask on.

Physical transformation is not restricted to the Hulk.

Hobgoblin · 01-19-2010, 04:39 PM

They screwed up Gobby the first time, it cant happen again! No physical transformations!

Gamma Goliath · 01-19-2010, 04:47 PM

phisical change into something more like the modern goblin in the 616 comics

El Payaso · 01-19-2010, 04:53 PM

They did screw him up because of the suit, remember?

sdc10 · 01-19-2010, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Payaso

They did screw him up because of the suit, remember?

And a physical transformation is immune to being screwed up?

Flint Marko · 01-19-2010, 05:04 PM

Physical transformation? God no. It would literally ruin the movie for me if I saw Ultimate GG instead of the classic purple and green costume.

Artistsean · 01-19-2010, 05:09 PM

I don't think Green goblin should even be mention this time around, I think Norman Osborne should be there. Father to Peter's best friend Harry.
But I think just him being there, seeming dark and like a resting evil waiting to attack would be good enough. imagine Norman Osborne talking to peter, anything he said would be dissected and seen as possible creepiness.
But give Green Goblin a rest. Norman is evil enough.

thorstone · 01-19-2010, 05:13 PM

It should be a physical transformation but look more like this:

A&W · 01-19-2010, 05:34 PM

I often wonder what the Green Goblin's motivation for wearing the costume is.

Hobgoblin · 01-19-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by A&W

I often wonder what the Green Goblin's motivation for wearing the costume is.

Uh...it was concealing his identity?

As for why he wore it after his ID was exposed, its part of his psychosis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artistsean

I don't think Green goblin should even be mention this time around, I think Norman Osborne should be there. Father to Peter's best friend Harry.
But I think just him being there, seeming dark and like a resting evil waiting to attack would be good enough. imagine Norman Osborne talking to peter, anything he said would be dissected and seen as possible creepiness.
But give Green Goblin a rest. Norman is evil enough.

And the next time Joker is used in a Batman film, he shouldnt wear makeup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Payaso

They did screw him up because of the suit, remember?

So lets hope they do better next time.

El Payaso · 01-19-2010, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdc10

And a physical transformation is immune to being screwed up?

Everything is able to fail. I was just pointing out a fact instead of speculating about the next incarnation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A&W

I often wonder what the Green Goblin's motivation for wearing the costume is.

That's anotehr huge problem with Raimi's take. He had no reason to be called Goblin or to wear that specific mask. Or why the pumpkin-bombs.

knowsbleed · 01-19-2010, 05:52 PM

Suit, approach the human villains without powers from a Nolan direction. That way it could remain realistic while you have the superhero coming from the opposite direction... the dynamics would be great.

JustABill · 01-19-2010, 05:54 PM

Transform, but do so in a manner similar to Lilly Hollister into Menace. Not the Hulk-Goblin of Ultimate, but just his normal Goblin appearance except this time it's a transformation.

El Payaso · 01-19-2010, 05:58 PM

Exactly.

Darkness Falls · 01-19-2010, 06:09 PM

double post

Darkness Falls · 01-19-2010, 06:12 PM

physically transform ?

why did i just get a horrible flashback to shredder from tmnt 2

a better looking goblin suit will be fine, NO TRANSFORMATIONS

TheLongestDay · 01-19-2010, 06:22 PM

how about this?

Spider-Vader · 01-19-2010, 06:39 PM

No he should have a costume & look like this....

& this...

View Poll Results: Costume or physical transformation?
Costume	161	75.59%
physical transformation	52	24.41%
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01-19-2010, 02:41 PM	#1
Wally West Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 588	This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? In 2002 when Sony released the first film, using the cgi required to make Norman transform physically would have been a been somewhat of a financial gamble considering the films had yet to prove themselves. As a result we ended up with Osborn in a power rangers suit. A new directer could obviously come up with a better costume (hopefully), but since the film will more than likely be given a big budget I don't think a CGI Goblin would be possible. Personally I think having Osborn make a physical transformation is easier from a story standpoint, as you don't have to explain the costume (although he is mad at that point so that helps I guess). I'm not suggesting that the Goblin resemble the Hulk as he has at times in Ultimate Spiderman. I was thinking something closer to the way he looked on the cover of Ultimate Spiderman 25. If he's in the costume, I certainly hope it resembles the classic look this time, without looking ridiculous. So what do you guys think? Last edited by Wally West; 01-19-2010 at 02:45 PM.

01-19-2010, 03:00 PM	#2
Oscorp Koloss Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,178	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Costume. I really don't want him to transform into that. __________________ CBMs I enjoy the most at this moment: 1) The Avengers, 2) The Dark Knight, 3) Iron Man 3, 4) Iron Man, 5) The Amazing Spider-Man. CBMs in the near future I'm most looking forward to at this moment: 2) Thor 2, 3) Man of Steel, 4) The Amazing Spider-Man 2, 5) Guardians of the Galaxy (would be higher in the list if it wasn't for how much I hate the film Super from the same director).

01-19-2010, 03:05 PM	#3
El Payaso Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rubbing your rhubarb. Posts: 15,263	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? I'd love that idea of Norman physically changing instead of using a mask.

01-19-2010, 03:16 PM	#4
sdc10 Side-Kick Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 804	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Definitely costume. I want to see Osborne get built up and then in a sequel just freaking snap and go psycho and put on the mask, not taking some formula that transforms him.

01-19-2010, 03:29 PM	#5
TheSlag Side-Kick Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 43,840	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Costume. AND A BETTER FRICKIN COSTUME too!!!! Physical transformation should be saved for the Lizard. And a psychotic Norman Osborn, split personality, is MUCH more chilling. And it allows the mind games between Norman and Peter once Norman discovers Peter's secret and begins to toy with him.

01-19-2010, 03:38 PM	#6
kedrell You'll never Beetus Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Driving coast to coast Posts: 15,342	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Put me down for costume(and get it right this time) GG is not the Hulk. As for the mask, then need only look to the Mission Impossible series for inspiration on how to make make-up come off as a removable mask. __________________ Holding out hope.....

01-19-2010, 03:39 PM	#7
Reikowolf Hyperphotonic Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,332	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? This is going to be a huge issue of contention; but I sincerely doubt anyone will need to worry until the third part of the franchise. It makes little sense to introduce the Goblin as the reboot villain as the reboot is about getting away from the Raimi version as much as possible. IMO, I like this design: http://www.i-mockery.com/comics/long...een-goblin.jpg Provides the classic look while updating a few things, key amongst them, no tights. The goblin suit is a chain-link Kevlar. To take away from the 'corny' aspects of the whole 'goblin' theme, they may want to design the mask and hood to cover most of his face, that way, the mouth and eyes make for a terrifying sight when actually seen. The idea being that you're not exactly sure how his face and goblin mask look like. It seems likely that we will see USM Goblin though, as many younger readers may be more familiar with this incarnation. __________________ www.arkhamrising.com - Batman Fan Film taking place during The Dark Knight Rises see it now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk_Lj8ty2tA @hyperphotonic

01-19-2010, 04:39 PM	#9
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01-19-2010, 04:47 PM	#10
Gamma Goliath Engine of Destruction Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 4,017	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? phisical change into something more like the modern goblin in the 616 comics

01-19-2010, 04:53 PM	#11
El Payaso Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rubbing your rhubarb. Posts: 15,263	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? They did screw him up because of the suit, remember?

01-19-2010, 05:04 PM	#13
Flint Marko I am The Sandman Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 590	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Physical transformation? God no. It would literally ruin the movie for me if I saw Ultimate GG instead of the classic purple and green costume.

01-19-2010, 05:09 PM	#14
Artistsean Monkey Boy Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,970	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? I don't think Green goblin should even be mention this time around, I think Norman Osborne should be there. Father to Peter's best friend Harry. But I think just him being there, seeming dark and like a resting evil waiting to attack would be good enough. imagine Norman Osborne talking to peter, anything he said would be dissected and seen as possible creepiness. But give Green Goblin a rest. Norman is evil enough.

01-19-2010, 05:13 PM	#15
thorstone Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 732	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? It should be a physical transformation but look more like this:

01-19-2010, 05:34 PM	#16
A&W Side-Kick Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,076	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? I often wonder what the Green Goblin's motivation for wearing the costume is. __________________ Well let's send them a message. That this..... THIS IS OUR LAND!!!!!!!!!!!

01-19-2010, 05:54 PM	#20
JustABill Slightly Used User. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 35,871	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Transform, but do so in a manner similar to Lilly Hollister into Menace. Not the Hulk-Goblin of Ultimate, but just his normal Goblin appearance except this time it's a transformation.

01-19-2010, 05:58 PM	#21
El Payaso Banned User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rubbing your rhubarb. Posts: 15,263	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? Exactly.

01-19-2010, 06:09 PM	#22
Darkness Falls SHH's God of Mischief Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: brisbane, Australia Posts: 10,045	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? double post __________________ General Public: (on seeing tdkr multiple times) You Don't owe these people anymore...... you've given them EVERYTHING!! DF: Batman voice: Not everything......Not Yet Last edited by Darkness Falls; 01-19-2010 at 06:42 PM.

01-19-2010, 06:12 PM	#23
Darkness Falls SHH's God of Mischief Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: brisbane, Australia Posts: 10,045	Re: This time should the Green Goblin physically transform or suit up in costume? physically transform ? why did i just get a horrible flashback to shredder from tmnt 2 a better looking goblin suit will be fine, NO TRANSFORMATIONS __________________ General Public: (on seeing tdkr multiple times) You Don't owe these people anymore...... you've given them EVERYTHING!! DF: Batman voice: Not everything......Not Yet

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01-19-2010, 06:39 PM	#25
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